Jump to content

Capless Fuel problem solving

_JR_

By _JR_
in Troubleshooting & Recalls

 Share

Recommended Posts

sdeeter19555 Senior Enthusiast

sdeeter19555

Posted
Posted

So Ford has had this since 2008. What do they not drive them up in Canada or in snowy weather?

Different style and design...

 

I had a capless full fill on the one vehicle I took to Idaho to bomb around on BLM land for work (it was a rental Toyota Rav4 if I remember correctly). Had inches of mud on the sides and underneath, ran through flooded roads; all in a place supposedly dry 99% of the time. The only thing that was clean was the interior and the inside of the fuel door and the fuel fill. There was nothing in that design that indicated it would have issues (I was skeptical of the capless design myself). Even spraying it down at a car wash would leave no visible water inside that fuel door.

 

I was sold on that design...I hate tethered fuel caps because they eventually get dropped against the paint and scratch things.

 

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk

  • Replies 35
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Popular Posts

07Softail
07Softail

Again.... GM is adding Mickey Mouse gadgitry to sell vehicles. Why can't we just have a damn fuel cap people....is it to difficult to unscrew and replace a fuel cap nowadays!   RT

2strokesmoke
2strokesmoke

Send that picture to GM, ask them how you are suppose toprotect the fuel system? As there design does not in your climate and area.  They designed this for your vehicle system?

_JR_
_JR_

So I need to plug or cover the fuel fill hole. Getting too much debris and garbage in there. Searched online but no luck. Anyone here find a clean way to prevent debris from getting in without making

Posted Images

Cowpie Senior Enthusiast

Cowpie

Posted
Posted (edited)

Sure, they get driven, even in my area of the midwest on rural roads. But get with those who drive them more than on streets and highways on a continual basis and ask them what they think about the capless idea. Be forewarned, you might learn some new and interesting swear words from some of the farmers and ranchers around. Not everyone has the ability to take their pickup thru the wash before filling up and cleaning all that out.

 

My main thing is it is just another example of the nanny folks trying to protect us from ourselves. Hard to imagine how folks did so well back in my younger days with fuel tanks behind the driver seat on pickups with the filler cap just behind the cab door. Of course, those caps weren't "dangling" style. Sometimes simplicity is the better option.

Edited by Cowpie
Schmidt152 Enthusiast

Schmidt152

Posted
Posted

Ford has been down this road already. Take note on my ford work truck. They have a gasket sealing the door so crap like this doesn't happen. Come on GM at least learn from your competitors...

07Softail Senior Enthusiast

07Softail

Posted
Posted

Not like GM invented it, Ford actually came out with the capless fuel system back in 2008 and now quite a few manufactures have followed suit because the public showed a positive interest in it, especially women.

 

I however agree there should be a sealed side door if you want to use a capless system.

I don't care who invented this stupid piece of crap or how long it's been out all im saying is it's absolutley the biggest POS gadgit in the market currently.

 

RT

DLW66 Enthusiast

DLW66

Posted
Posted (edited)

I don't care who invented this stupid piece of crap or how long it's been out all im saying is it's absolutley the biggest POS gadgit in the market currently.

 

RT

 

Duly noted.

 

I can actually think of a few bigger POS than this though, lol. But lets not vear off from this devastating topic..I don't think anyone disagrees here.

Edited by DLW66
SAKO79 Enthusiast

SAKO79

Posted
Posted

My 2016 F150 has a capless fuel system but it also has a Rubber seal around the fuel door and I have not had any debris or dirt anywhere in there

And I live in Vancouver British Columbia one of the rainiest places in North America

Rossy11 Enthusiast

Rossy11

Posted
Posted (edited)

This is definitely a thing I hate about my new 2017 also. I too am from northern ont, and when I wash my trucks/cars whatever I have I always open the gas door and wash in there as well. I'm definitely afraid to now as who knows if water and stuff will get in.. what to do lol. Definitely don't want to put a vinyl cap on there. Be a pia. Condom maybe? Haha

Edited by 09rcsb
SAKO79 Enthusiast

SAKO79

Posted
Posted

I don't know how either GM capless fuel system works but on my Ford I have to use a special funnel if I don't use this funnel gasoline will just pour all over the ground and if you pour straight water in there it will pour right on the ground it won't go into your fuel tank

_JR_ Enthusiast

_JR_

Posted
  • Author
Posted

Think I saw the design for the system somewhere online. It does make it impossible to siphon fuel. Haven't tried using a Jerry can without the funnel. Still don't want dirt/debris getting in

 

GM's cold weather testing facility is 3hrs east of me in Kapuskasing Ontario. Guess they decided against testing the soles system there lol

 

Not only is it missing a gasket for fuel door, the filler neck surround isn't sealed. So road spray goes up behind the bed and into fuel fill area

_JR_ Enthusiast

_JR_

Posted
  • Author
Posted

Anyone know the last year that GM had a capped fuel filler neck? Was it 2015? I'm assuming it'll swap in without issue. Might have to ditch this capless fuel garbage. Already been looking up part costs, GM components for 2015 fuel filler neck aren't that expensive

martha3065 Enthusiast

martha3065

Posted
Posted (edited)

Anyone know the last year that GM had a capped fuel filler neck? Was it 2015? I'm assuming it'll swap in without issue. Might have to ditch this capless fuel garbage. Already been looking up part costs, GM components for 2015 fuel filler neck aren't that expensive

2016. Capless is a new for 2017 feature.

 

Maybe PM the OP here and see where he ended up.

http://www.gm-trucks.com/forums/index.php?/topic/195541-Capless-fuel-delete

Edited by martha3065
  • Like 1
_JR_ Enthusiast

_JR_

Posted
  • Author
Posted

2016. Capless is a new for 2017 feature.

 

Maybe PM the OP here and see where he ended up.

http://www.gm-trucks.com/forums/index.php?/topic/195541-Capless-fuel-delete

Haha, I am the OP lol. Instead of playing around with vinyl caps etc, just thinking of swapping out filler necks and calling it a day. Go back to a proven system and never worry about it again

martha3065 Enthusiast

martha3065

Posted
Posted

Haha, I am the OP lol. Instead of playing around with vinyl caps etc, just thinking of swapping out filler necks and calling it a day. Go back to a proven system and never worry about it again

OP in the thread I linked? You have 2 accounts? OP in that thread was looking to do the same. Was thinking you could see where he ended up, if he's not an alter ego [emoji6]
_JR_ Enthusiast

_JR_

Posted
  • Author
Posted

OP in the thread I linked? You have 2 accounts? OP in that thread was looking to do the same. Was thinking you could see where he ended up, if he's not an alter ego [emoji6]

 

Haha oops! My apologies, thought you meant this thread.

 

Called GM Canada and they just told me to take it to the dealer and see what they say. So I told them the dealer would just tell me that's the way it is and to call GM Canada.

 

They did provide me with a link where customers can submit ideas. www.gmideas.com

 

Not sure if they actually read what people submit but I fired off my input anyways

Krusty Enthusiast

Krusty

Posted
Posted

So I need to plug or cover the fuel fill hole. Getting too much debris and garbage in there. Searched online but no luck. Anyone here find a clean way to prevent debris from getting in without making it a hassle at fill ups?

 

Please spare me the replies about not getting dirt in yours when you live in the beauty states lol.

 

Have a pic of what greeted me this morning, will try to find an image upload site later to help understand why I need a cover/plug

 

One week of ownership and filled it today when the low fuel warning popped up. The cap-less fill worked fine - it's like not knowing you are pumping gas. I do have it covered with this dust cap to keep things clean and dry:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WATER-DUST-GAS-CAP-COVER-2017-CHEVROLET-SILVERADO-GMC-SIERRA-CAPLESS-FUEL-FILL-/382009468868?hash=item58f189e7c4:g:Ag0AAOSwXYtYzzeq&vxp=mtr

 

:driving:

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.

  • Forum Statistics

    250.5k
    Total Topics
    2.7m
    Total Posts

  • Member Statistics

    342,982
    Total Members
    8,960
    Most Online
    nolankd
    Newest Member
    nolankd
    Joined

  • Who's Online   2 Members, 1 Anonymous, 438 Guests (See full list)

  • Latest Articles

  • Posts

    • Black02Silverado
      New Retail Account Promo

      By Black02Silverado · Posted

      For a limited time, retail accounts receive a free fender cover (G2803) with their order of $750 or more when they use code FENDER926 at checkout. The promotion runs through Sept. 8, 2026. Own a business and want to apply for a retail account?  Apply here. https://www.amsoil.com/business-opportunities/sell-in-your-store/?zo=521390  
    • Chuck FB
      Correct way to service 2024 l8t allison trans?

      By Chuck FB · Posted

      Thanks for that, yes just because I could I measured what came out just to give me some guidance although I already knew to expect it to take at least 9.5 to just throwing in the whole 10 quarts off the shot and doing a one and done heat cycle to drop out the excess to get to the proper level. I don't recall exactly now what I measured that came out but was less than I put back in, I knew I spilled some on the garage floor but the main part was that I was thrilled in the discovery I did not have to touch my exhaust to flex it down. The gasket manipulating is a pain of course to create that clearance to take the pan out and put back in but its all very doable if one is careful and not forcing the gasket to flex too much. From the quote I got at a transmission shop of 900.00 here in Canada ( never asked at the dealer what they charge ) I saved 700.00 doing it myself after paying for the supplies so that to me paid very good wages !, and I knew what fluid was put in and that I had changed the filter and that the level is correct without any doubts. 
    • bojanglespa
      2016 Sierra 1500 6.2L lifter Failure 🤨

      By bojanglespa · Posted

      I do have one of the AFM diasable box, using it for last 1.5 years.
    • Mellowth
      Tonneau cover and rack combo

      By Mellowth · Posted

      I found a setup that lets me open the cover partway with racks installed, using side-rail-mounted systems for easy access.
    • Chuck FB
      first oil change - 2026 2500HD gas

      By Chuck FB · Posted

      Typically its said and I agree so far that the engine oil drain plug oring is not required to be changed out unless you see some damage happening to the oring as apparently the oring lasts well. The dealer I have been getting a few parts from never even stocked the oring but instead stocked the whole drain plug that comes with a new oring which for the dealer is easier because they just throw in a new drain plug if there was any question about damage on it as well and charge the customer accordingly but again only if it is needed.    Also a hint about the drain plug oring to help it last vs a risk of causing damage to it, after its been removed and wiped off or washed off ( that is a whole other topic about some solvents damaging orings because some solvent types do ) to make sure to relube the oring with a bit of new oil so that it won't "grip" on the sealing surface of the pan and needlessly stress out the oring. Its no different than putting some oil on the sealing ring of the engine oil filter. So I just grabbed a new drain plug to have on hand although more recently bought just the oring as well but as its special it costs half the price of the drain plug ... !   Since you mentioned the hate to be empty handed theme, I am not sure what you have in the way of filter removal tools as I like using the exact sized for the filter steel 1" wide band with side to side swivel handle filter removal tool, and it can be used to snug up the filter without risk of damaging a filter as well ( its probably a lisle brand I have ). The drain plug hex size is 15mm and I always like using a 6 point socket if I have a choice and with this truck I've been using just a 3/8 ratchet that has a fairly long handle. Do you have a funnel that will work to pour oil in as that is definitely the short coming bastard part about the design with that fill port on the valve cover on such an angle that no normal funnel will even work. There are adapters and things on the market that will set into or screw into that fill port, I didn't want to deal with US shipping as that is all I was seeing at the time so caved and bought a Lisle brand multi vehicle fit adapter funnel kit and it really works well but there are much less expensive adapters out there that work in conjunction with an off the shelf funnel that would do the job also. Now that I have it, I like how it works and works so slick with the shape of the Amsoil 1 quart containers I have now switched over to. Whatever you do, have a funnel system of some sort as you will be swearing if you dropped the oil and then realize you have nothing to properly pour new oil in without spilling it all over the engine !.     Other comments, quite a bit of oil flows out down the filter when its cracked loose due to the housing above the filter so let it dribble down the filter until it slacks off flow and then remove the filter to create less possible mess. It seems these engines can sit for quite a while and drip and if you have time let it sit there and drip out of the engine as much as it wants. Also a good time to grease the 9 zerks on the front end, that's my typical practice anyway to grease the suspension and steering each time I change the oil. And remember to reset the oil change minder ( not something I am used to doing with older vehicles and equipment ). 

  • GM-Trucks.com Clubs

  • Popular Contributors

×
×
  • Create New...