When will GM step up its diesel game?

firecat_30 · May 6, 2017

GM still looks the best too

barry G · May 7, 2017

what gm does not forget is how long a truck stays empty.

imagine dead heading like a ford f-teen thousand all day long.

come to think of it.. it is why I like my old 96.

itis in the weight category of the sporty raptor, just a bigger and bouncier.. less dense.

As factory anyway.

I think I bumped into an unknown realm with welding.

anyway, I can compare to my dad's 2016.

we are within .5 mpg

there is categories of trucks if to play beyond 26k.

not sure what ford and dodge is up to..

they are just going to hurt themselves.

a pickup is every day.

I grew up in trucking. From cracker jack boxes to the 565hp of today with an aero hood to go with it.

some categories needed to get bigger. Pickups... not so much.

I do like the half ton realm, the change in just 25 years. those have always been hurting. I think my 96 is the last of the wimpy, and it still my choice to drive every day.

Cowpie · May 7, 2017

New max runs strong. Also GM marketing calculated that majority of its customers never go over 22k. Either way GM does better with 2500 sales then sales 3500. Now if we're talking about stepping up game, let's talk about the anemic 6.0. Ya ya ya it's durable as rock. But also last in hp and tq , last in towing vs the other hd gas Models. In a recent pickuptrucks.com test the GM was dead last in almost every hd gas category. Nothing personal because again it's a rock solid motor but time for upgrading.

Compared to what HD gas models? The 6.0L 2500 6 spd smoked the snot out of the Dodge 2500 with a 6.4L gasser with an 8 speed on the Ike Gauntlet pull test up to the Eisenhower Tunnel on I-70 in the Colorado Rockies with a GCWR of 20,500 lb. That is one long, hard pull up to the tunnel. Granted, that test was a couple of years ago, but not that much has changed. Numbers on a brochure are one thing, how well those numbers do in actual work can be quite another story sometimes. What makes things work is the entire drive train and engine and trans programming, not just the engine performance on the dyno.

Jakedem · May 7, 2017

Seems like everyone forgot gm did a complete rebuild of the 6.6 this year

Cowpie · May 11, 2017

I still keep waiting for GM, or anyone for that matter, to pick up on the Opposed Piston Opposed Cylinder engine concept. Takes up a lot less real estate under the hood, has half the weight per liter of displacement, no valve train or heads eliminating 60% of the parts of a typical V8, etc. A little 2.5L OPOC diesel that has been built puts out 325 HP at 3500 RPM and 664 lb of torque at 2100 RPM. No need for extensive crankshaft balancing and torsional compensation like a V8 or inline. It uses an electrical motor driven turbocharger (more aptly it should be called a supercharger). A module is two cylinders with 4 pistons. Modules can be added together to make larger displacement engines. And unlike the stupid AFM stuff that GM does, a OPOC engine, diesel or gas, could disengage complete modules or engage them as needed.

http://www.nanalyze.com/2014/10/ecomotors-reinvents-the-internal-combustion-engine/

Think this is just something conjured up by a couple of college students in a garage? The engine was designed by Peter Hofbauer, former head of powertrain development at Volkswagen AG and a central figure in the creation of VW's internationally renowned TDI clean diesel engines. Don Runkle is CEO. Runkle's resume includes a stint as vice-president of North American engineering for General Motors. But since no N. American OEM's have taken the time to give it a serious look, the Chinese have, and Zhongding Power has made a $200 million deal with Ecomotors to build the engine in China. Their main interest is the exploding Chinese market and they plan on producing 150,000 turbo diesel engines a year once production gets going. I take that back, Navistar (International Trucks) has taken an active interest in the engine. But they probably will not jump in too soon as they just dumped bunch of R&D into their new A26 12.7L heavy engine.

dasimmon · May 19, 2017

watch this..

f8l vnm · May 27, 2017

Compared to what HD gas models? The 6.0L 2500 6 spd smoked the snot out of the Dodge 2500 with a 6.4L gasser with an 8 speed on the Ike Gauntlet pull test up to the Eisenhower Tunnel on I-70 in the Colorado Rockies with a GCWR of 20,500 lb. That is one long, hard pull up to the tunnel. Granted, that test was a couple of years ago, but not that much has changed. Numbers on a brochure are one thing, how well those numbers do in actual work can be quite another story sometimes. What makes things work is the entire drive train and engine and trans programming, not just the engine performance on the dyno.

Here you go bud

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2017/03/whats-the-best-34-ton-work-truck-for-2017.html

http://www.tfltruck.com/2017/05/2017-chevy-silverado-2500-ram-hd-drag-race/

Dead last. It's time for old man 6.0 to go.

Again I love GM trucks more than any other truck manufacturer but this engine is dinosaur status

New duramax though is a beast of an engine. My post is strictly gas hd related

Cowpie · May 27, 2017

Well, drag races are one thing. That is for garage queen trucks. Work is another story. Can't speak, to recent stuff, but the 2015 2500 Silverado 2500 6.0 out did the Ram 2500 6.4 on the Ike Gauntlet pull by a considerable margin and the Silverado won the Golden Hitch Award for 2015. And the GCWR on that pull was also 300 lb heavier than the GCWR of the Ram.

http://www.tfltruck.com/2015/04/selection-process-2015-chevy-silverado-2500-hd-6-0l-wins-gold-hitch-award-video/

October 17, 2017

My biggest problem is that low hanging DEF reservoir. Why would you make the the lowest point on the truck and not protect it?

grizzlyltz · October 18, 2017

Well, drag races are one thing. That is for garage queen trucks. Work is another story. Can't speak, to recent stuff, but the 2015 2500 Silverado 2500 6.0 out did the Ram 2500 6.4 on the Ike Gauntlet pull by a considerable margin and the Silverado won the Golden Hitch Award for 2015. And the GCWR on that pull was also 300 lb heavier than the GCWR of the Ram.

http://www.tfltruck.com/2015/04/selection-process-2015-chevy-silverado-2500-hd-6-0l-wins-gold-hitch-award-video/

Amen brother
I'm impressed with my underpowered outdated 6.0

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SierraHD17 · October 18, 2017

How about they build a truck where the urea tank isn't the lowest point of the truck lol. That would be a good start.... Oh right... don't leave pavement lol.

doverarjim · October 18, 2017

If you think the placement of the DEF tank is bad you really need to look at the ford. I don't know about the dodge but the ford is also the lowest thing on the truck only difference is it is near drive shaft. I watched a 350 go across a job site and knocked a hole in the tank, driver told me the company had gotten 3 new trucks and in less than 6 months they had replaced 2 of the 3 tanks and ford did not help them at all. I am one of the few that will tell you that they have put a hole in a GM DEF tank, not sure how or where it happened, all I know is that I knocked a hole in it someway, dealer fixed it and said that they had contacted GM about it and they covered half the parts cost and half the labor cost.

MaverickZ71 · October 20, 2017

On 4/27/2017 at 2:35 PM, Winged Wheel said:

For a long time it has been Ford vs Chevy/GMC in the HD truck game. In the past couple of years the top contenders are Ram and Ford, while GM trails behind. I understand that GM released a new Diesel engine for the 2017 model which competes in HP and Torque with Ford, but it comes no where close to the towing capacity of the other 2. Almost 7,000lbs less. When will GM learn and top these two companies in towing capacity? All that HP and Torque is great, but if you cant pull anything with it, whats the point?

What's to step up? They already have more power and torque than ever. And Ike Gauntlet videos and the current FourWheeler magazine and others prefer the GM HD's the way they are now. GM has carefully targeted its actual customers and is building a refined truck for them. Who cares if Furd has a few more horsepower or higher tow rating, if it is a smoking wreck at the Ike Gauntlet. Did you see the video where the gas Super Duty F-250 blew up and puked out its coolant before they even started the Ike Gauntlet run? (Oh but it's paper specs are higher than GM's . . . . )

Motor Trend's Truck Trend magazine just declared the Ford the winner of their shootout by a handful of points, after suspiciously stating a test driver was the world's biggest Ford Super Duty fan. Any remaining credibility flew out the window when they raved about how their contrived sled pull in the mud was a winner for the Ford, when the Ford had All Terrain tires while the GM and Mopar had highway tires!

The current FourWheeler magazine goes on to say that to drive a maxed-out towing Ford or Mopar truck, you'd have to have a Commercial Driver's License. And many driver's don't. So GM may be looking at this from a legal standpoint as well. If you have to have a CDL and you need to tow that much, shouldn't you already be driving a 4500 HD instead?

EDIT: I just watched the Ike Gauntlet video again (that dasimmon posted above). My favorite quote: "the Ford has the most power, the highest tow rating, and an aluminum body . . . it just won't pull up the hill!"

mookdoc6 · October 20, 2017

16 minutes ago, MaverickZ71 said:

What's to step up? They already have more torque than ever. And Ike Gauntlet videos and the current FourWheeler magazine and others prefer the GM HD's the way they are now. GM has carefully targeted its actual customers and is building a refined truck for them. Who cares if Furd has a few more horsepower or higher tow rating, if it is a smoking wreck at the Ike Gauntlet. Did you see the video where the gas Super Duty F-250 blew up and puked out its coolant before they even started the Ike Gauntlet run? (Oh but it's paper specs are higher than GM's . . . . )

Motor Trend's Truck Trend magazine just declared the Ford the winner of their shootout by a handful of points, after suspiciously stating a test driver was the world's biggest Ford Super Duty fan. Any remaining credibility flew out the window when they raved about how their contrived sled pull in the mud was a winner for the Ford, when the Ford had All Terrain tires while the GM and Mopar had highway tires!

The current FourWheeler magazine goes on to say that to drive a maxed-out towing Ford or Mopar truck, you'd have to have a Commercial Driver's License. And many driver's don't. So GM may be looking at this from a legal standpoint as well. If you have to have a CDL and you need to tow that much, shouldn't you already be driving a 4500 HD instead?

Very well Done Son! At the end of the day the FERD looks good but that's about it.....FERD's money is spent on curb appeal/paper specs....GM just builds undeniably better engines and TRANS? If your buying a truck to work with.....those are the two elements that matter/especially if income depends on it!