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Full Synthetic is NOT 100% Synthetic, it’s a marketing gimmick! Amsoil is real 100% Synthetic motor oil!

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Soooo... How about talk about the next step or two down in the amsoil line up thats not $10 a quart.

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Not to start another oil debate  TXGREEK.   No doubt in my mind Amsoil and Redline are better than off the shelf oils. Yes they are 100% syn.   If my memory is correct being a

kennerz
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I know people will say that we are amsoil nut swin**ers but I'm running this combo after trying most other premium oil/filter combinations. And I have to say the vehicle is smoother running and doesn'

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Seen tests run and pennzoil is good if not better than amsoil......so time will tell....so far been good on my truck

TXGREEK Senior Enthusiast

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AMSOIL 0W20 100% Synthetic Boosted, 12K mile oil: $7.25 per quart

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TXGREEK Senior Enthusiast

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Both the two Amsoil products I’ve just listed are 100% synthetic as well but I don’t have any stats on either one of them yet. Any info related to them, testing?


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Head Up Raw Data from Blackstone Labs

Virgin Samples plus virgin oils universal averages

 

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AMSOIL Signature Series

Red Line High Performance

Mobil 1 Annual Protection

 

I'm not even going to comment on the results...for now.

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Cowpie Senior Enthusiast

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Well, I just turned 1,028,490 miles on my 2012 Freightliner. Detroit 60 12.7L engine all original except for water pump.  Still uses only 1 qt in 11-12,000 miles.  Oil samples look as good as they did at 50,000 miles.  Oil changed at 22,500 mile / 450 hr average intervals.  OEM recommended drain is 15,000 miles / 300 hr.   All it has gotten is Schaeffer 7000 15/40 in summer and 7000 10/30 in winter.   The 7000 product is a blend of 75% Group II+ and 25% Group IV PAO.  Still trying to figure out how some boutique oil like Amsoil could have done any better.

 

And since I get Schaeffer for my commercial needs, I just go ahead and have oil thrown in the order for my GM vehicles.  The 9000 5w30 for both my 2015 2500HD 6.0 and 2017 Equinox 2.4.  The 9000 product is 75% Group III and 25% Group IV PAO.

 

I think some fail to recognize that 20%, give or take a little, of any motor oil is additive package.  And it is the add pack that really makes the most difference in how well a particular oil will perform.

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Well, I just turned 1,028,490 miles on my 2012 Freightliner. Detroit 60 12.7L engine all original except for water pump.  Still uses only 1 qt in 11-12,000 miles.  Oil samples look as good as they did at 50,000 miles.  Oil changed at 22,500 mile / 450 hr average intervals.  OEM recommended drain is 15,000 miles / 300 hr.   All it has gotten is Schaeffer 7000 15/40 in summer and 7000 10/30 in winter.   The 7000 product is a blend of 75% Group II+ and 25% Group IV PAO.  Still trying to figure out how some boutique oil like Amsoil could have done any better.
 
And since I get Schaeffer for my commercial needs, I just go ahead and have oil thrown in the order for my GM vehicles.  The 9000 5w30 for both my 2015 2500HD 6.0 and 2017 Equinox 2.4.  The 9000 product is 75% Group III and 25% Group IV PAO.
 
I think some fail to recognize that 20%, give or take a little, of any motor oil is additive package.  And it is the add pack that really makes the most difference in how well a particular oil will perform.


Amsoil is up at group 4 and 5 being 100% synthetic/with added 100% synthetic additives. I’ve heard Schaefer makes a pretty good oil for HD’s. Blackstone Labs would be a great place to visit for 100% scientific results without the theories and she said he said.

I used to use Mobil1 annual protection up until I did some serious research and realized I was paying the same price for the annual protection as I was for Amsoil, it was a no brainer, Amsoil far exceeded all tests beating Mobil1’s highest rated annual X4’s. At the end of the day, I think for most people it’s what you’ve heard and only know, I’m sure that the majority of people will just use whatever works for them meeting specs and call it a day.



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So what oil & filter should I get?


Full synthetic is not 100% synthetic, I’d 1st recommend Amsoil, Redline is also very good oil too. Really just depends on your budget, oil change intervals, what you’re trying to get out of the oil you put into your engine?

For me, I want the maximum protection available between oil changes. Amsoil was rated the best with Redline following close behind. You want to look at Blackstone Labs for scientific results, that’s why I ONLY run Amsoil in mine.


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Don’t forget a very good oil filter adds additional engine protection.

IMO Wix XP is great for you if you go long intervals and Napa Gold/Platinum for shorter intervals, both capture diet as small as 20-21 microns.


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All this "true" synthetic vs "faux" synthetic is wasted time.  There are some features of Group IV that Group III doesn't have, and there are some features that Group III has that Group IV doesn't have.  Actually, the best is a mix of both Group IV and Group III.

 

https://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/533/base-oil-trends

 

Even the best "true" synthetic will grenade and engine just as well as a "faux" synthetic if it doesn't have a good add pack.  No base oil by itself will do the job properly.

 

And Group III "faux" synthetic like SOPUS Gas To Liquid (GTL) made from natural gas, Group IV "true" synthetic is made from ethylene gas that is primarily sourced from natural gas.  They are essentially the same end product.   

 

Oh.... and Group V is essentially everything that doesn't fit into Group 1 thru Group IV.  There may not be any special to a oil that falls into the 

Group V category.  Some of those are fine for use in an engine, some are not.

 

https://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/29113/base-oil-groups

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All this "true" synthetic vs "faux" synthetic is wasted time.  There are some features of Group IV that Group III doesn't have, and there are some features that Group III has that Group IV doesn't have.  Actually, the best is a mix of both Group IV and Group III.
 
https://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/533/base-oil-trends
 
Even the best "true" synthetic will grenade and engine just as well as a "faux" synthetic if it doesn't have a good add pack.  No base oil by itself will do the job properly.
 
And Group III "faux" synthetic like SOPUS Gas To Liquid (GTL) made from natural gas, Group IV "true" synthetic is made from ethylene gas that is primarily sourced from natural gas.  They are essentially the same end product.   


Are you running only diesels or gas motor and if gas motor, what’s your favorite engine oil?


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Are you running only diesels or gas motor and if gas motor, what’s your favorite engine oil?


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I run both diesels and gas truck engines.   I use Schaeffer in both.  I use Schaeffer 7000 15/40 CK4 in summer and 7000 10/30 CK4 in winter in my diesels.  My gas engines get Schaeffer 9000 5w30 year round.

 

I would have nothing against using Mobil/Delvac products if I wasn't using Schaeffer in my diesels.  For my gassers, probably one of the SOPUS/Shell products.  My wife 2006 Cadillac CTS 3.6, GM says it needs M1 5w30. I have used only Pennzoil Conventional 10w30 in it.  A look at the testing results done by the Petroleum Quality Institute of America shows why..... I have no clue what Shell is doing with that product, but it blew away M1 and it gives Amsoil 5w30 and 10w30 a run for its money.  It has a very heavy dose of molybdenum in it which is a very good thing, a great balance of Calcium and ZDDP complimented by Boron, and it has a NOACK level lower than M1 and close to Amsoil Signature.  And I can get this oil for $18 for 5qt jug at my local farm and home store.    Kinda knocks the argument that Group IV is the best argument on its ass.

 

http://www.pqiadata.org/Pennzoil10W30.html

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