Coronavirus

Ithan Henry · April 21, 2020

30 minutes ago, CamGTP said:

Why does the bible always get dragged into things?

Never understood that but it's probably because I've never read it.

I've never seen the need for that either and I've read it.

CamGTP · April 22, 2020

I've got better things to do with my time than read it, have people tell me to read it, preach it on the internet or attend a service.

diyer2 · April 22, 2020

Out of curiosity I watch a program on Frontline last night.

I like Frontline and there were no commercials, PBS.

I found it interesting.

Link to program

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/frontlines-first-major-documentary-on-covid-19-premieres-tonight/

And here

https://triblive.com/opinion/david-zurawik-frontline-traces-start-of-covid-19-crisis-in-america-telling-a-tale-of-two-washingtons/

BigBlueLB756 · April 22, 2020

13 hours ago, CamGTP said:

I've got better things to do with my time than read it, have people tell me to read it, preach it on the internet or attend a service.

Just gives the rest of us something to shake our heads at.

KARNUT · April 22, 2020

Out of curiosity I watch a program on Frontline last night.
I like Frontline and there were no commercials, PBS.
I found it interesting.
Link to program
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/frontlines-first-major-documentary-on-covid-19-premieres-tonight/
And here
https://triblive.com/opinion/david-zurawik-frontline-traces-start-of-covid-19-crisis-in-america-telling-a-tale-of-two-washingtons/

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Then there’s the time line of actual events as they unfolded. With reporters and other leaders words presented at the presidential presser a few days ago. He felt compelled to present it after all the false reports from our ( neutral) media. Showing actual time lines. Proving once again finding reports to back anyone’s bias are out there. I found an article in CNN claiming the malaria drug thats being around awhile. Was in affective in a test on older people near death on ventilators. Proving the Trump was pushing an unproven drug. Possibly causing more harm than good. Disregarding reports to the contrary. Nice huh. It possible, even probable the people who got better whould have anyway. If I was sick and it offered a 10 percent chance of improvement, sigh me up. Most people who take medication understand side effects. Maybe we should throw them all away. It’s amazing the people who are hoping for failure from Trump at our expense.

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Donstar · April 22, 2020

21 hours ago, KARNUT said:

The protests are persuading the elected leaders to open. Our God given right. And will be done.

I certainly support the right to protest as it can definitely influence politicians. One way to interpret a protest is politicians need to do a better job of informing their public. This is a particularly rough thing to protest when we know that "opening" will lead to increased cases of this deadly virus. Thankfully, the majority of us have not (yet) suffered the health affects or know an infected loved one so we tend to be more receptive to the idea of loosening restrictions. I have watched interviews with Covid19 ICU survivors and, to no surprise, they advocate for others staying home until this pandemic is under control. Unfortunately these individuals' stories aren't as newsworthy as a protest. I totally appreciate the freedoms we have but we all know that there are times when we need to be protected from others. We have all visited essential service stores in the past month and encountered individuals who don't "believe" in social distancing. Does a person's reluctance to respect the space between others result from a lack of or more knowledge? I believe saving lives takes precedence over all other hurdles and our leaders need to keep this a number one priority. Opting to lessen the number rather than striving to eliminate the number of casualties from this virus is unacceptable.

KARNUT · April 22, 2020

I certainly support the right to protest as it can definitely influence politicians. One way to interpret a protest is politicians need to do a better job of informing their public. This is a particularly rough thing to protest when we know that "opening" will lead to increased cases of this deadly virus. Thankfully, the majority of us have not (yet) suffered the health affects or know an infected loved one so we tend to be more receptive to the idea of loosening restrictions. I have watched interviews with Covid19 ICU survivors and, to no surprise, they advocate for others staying home until this pandemic is under control. Unfortunately these individuals' stories aren't as newsworthy as a protest. I totally appreciate the freedoms we have but we all know that there are times when we need to be protected from others. We have all visited essential service stores in the past month and encountered individuals who don't "believe" in social distancing. Does a person's reluctance to respect the space between others result from a lack of or more knowledge? I believe saving lives takes precedence over all other hurdles and our leaders need to keep this a number one priority. Opting to lessen the number rather than striving to eliminate the number of casualties from this virus is unacceptable.

People seem to think staying shut down has no effect. I wonder why? My brother in law at 55 just got laid off from a company he’s worked at 30 years. They offered him another job at a different location for half pay. Less than what he can get on unemployment. What do you think his chances are getting rehired at 55? If people think shutting down has no effect stay tuned. They’re opening the best way they can. It takes co-operation from everyone. Another thing that will be coming t there’s more people infected than originally thought. That’s the next thing bubbling up. Time will tell.

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Donstar · April 22, 2020

1 hour ago, KARNUT said:

People seem to think staying shut down has no effect.

I don't believe anyone truly believes staying shut down has no effect. It creates a huge range of hardships and sacrifices but ultimately saves lives. People like your brother-in-law are making enormous and life altering sacrifices with the net result of helping to save the lives of strangers. People like you and I are not hurting as much so we try to add balance by helping those in need. The idea of re-instating activities that were promoting the spread of this virus while it is still out of control shows total disrespect for the sacrifices made to date. Let's see this through and beat it!

KARNUT · April 22, 2020

I don't believe anyone truly believes staying shut down has no effect. It creates a huge range of hardships and sacrifices but ultimately saves lives. People like your brother-in-law are making enormous and life altering sacrifices with the net result of helping to save the lives of strangers. People like you and I are not hurting as much so we try to add balance by helping those in need. The idea of re-instating activities that were promoting the spread of this virus while it is still out of control shows total disrespect for the sacrifices made to date. Let's see this through and beat it!

Nobody ever dies from losing their job, house, car, marriage, kids. I’m glade I’m not in the job market, it’s very grim. We’re been around this before. Nothing changes.

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swathdiver · April 22, 2020

46 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

Nobody ever dies from losing their job, house, car, marriage, kids.

They certainly do. Think about it.

swathdiver · April 22, 2020

18 hours ago, Ithan Henry said:

I've never seen the need for that either and I've read it.

“For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.” - 1st Corinthians 1:18

"When Jesus heard [it], he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." - Mark 2:17

You didn't need it because you didn't know you were sick and in need. But you are; we all are.

KARNUT · April 22, 2020

The whole idea for the experiment called the United States was freedom. The freedom to work was taken away. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We complied. Now we can choose to work or stay home. You’re fearful, sick don’t want to go out stay home. You want to work, go to work. If you still have a job. Freedom.

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The Zip · April 22, 2020

5 hours ago, Donstar said:

I believe saving lives takes precedence over all other hurdles and our leaders need to keep this a number one priority. Opting to lessen the number rather than striving to eliminate the number of casualties from this virus is unacceptable.

I'm with you here and I wish I could stay in. Not going to happen, not practical. America is throwing large sums of money to get the economy going and putting some 22 million people back to work. Employees back on the job will happen. I don't see maintaining that 22 million, closer to 11 million. In part because social distancing in some businesses will result in 50% less customers. Unless large numbers of consumers see some testing numbers past 1% and or a vaccine is available, they are not going to mingle. Economic recovery from my perspective is not going to be dependent on employees going back to work, it's going to be dependent on if consumers have the confidence to go out and buy.

KARNUT · April 22, 2020

No it isn’t going to be 22 million, it will be higher when the numbers come out tomorrow. If you don’t have a job you’re not buying much of anything. I usually go on a trip in about this time of the year in two weeks. That’s probably not happening for obvious reasons. Lots of travelers will be pausing. If you think it’s bad double it, you may be close. Watch the screamers come out when it tics up a bit. It will unless the a systematic people are higher then expected. I suspect it may be.

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