Napa Gold / Wix 100255

[gone_fishing]

I have ran both Fram's XG10575 (Ultra Guard) and Mobil's M1-212A. Tore them apart after running and both were well constructed.

 

 

[Grumpy Bear]

12 hours ago, gone_fishing said:

I have ran both Fram's XG10575 (Ultra Guard) and Mobil's M1-212A. Tore them apart after running and both were well constructed.

 

Yes, nothing wrong with the construction. But there is a huge difference in filtration. 

 

 

Mobil 1 (and Purolator BOSS) breaks with the industry standard of providing the Beta at 20 micron and just gives the percent efficiency at 30 micron then only vaguely as 99%+ (There are allot of steps between 99 and 100)

 

The FRAM XG, Purolator PL and Royal Purple at 99%+ at 13 micron if you use the same percentage reference. (from raw data, not the advert box). 

 

They all play numbers games except those at the top of the heap. 

 

K&N actually lobbies for a less efficient filter as does K&P sighting volume as more important that efficiency. K&N doesn't even supply efficiency data! WON'T supply it. 

 

It is true! Filtration and flow rate are inversely proportional IF based on the same SIZE media AREA. 

 

 

Edited August 2, 2021 by Grumpy Bear

[Grumpy Bear]

Ops! 

Edited August 2, 2021 by Grumpy Bear

[Z45]

I have owned GM vehicles all my life and rarely have I used an AC Delco oil filter on any of them. I NEVER let the dealer or anyone else choose the oil or filters that go in my vehicles because to them its more about making money then selling quality.  Currently have an AMSOIL EAO17 on my 2021 Sierra on its way to a 15,000 oci which I have followed for the last 25 yrs.

 

It often amazes me that people can find fault with many GM vehicles and quality but when it comes to lubes and filters they believe GM recommends, sells and installs the best available.   AC Delco filters are not the best made, only good enough for GM.

Edited August 2, 2021 by elcamino

[Grumpy Bear]

3 hours ago, elcamino said:

It often amazes me that people can find fault with many GM vehicles and quality but when it comes to lubes and filters they believe GM recommends, sells and installs the best available.   AC Delco filters are not the best made, only good enough for GM.

 

It's more than amazing. What's that other word........

 

While on the topic of lubrication Mike if you don't mind....when you do these long OCI's how often are you running the TBN/TAN? 

[Z45]

18 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

 

It's more than amazing. What's that other word........

 

While on the topic of lubrication Mike if you don't mind....when you do these long OCI's how often are you running the TBN/TAN? 

I am not doing oil analysis if that's what you are referring to.  40+ yrs of experience running AMSOIL and their filters gives me the confidence to keep on trucking like I have since 1978.....

Edited August 2, 2021 by elcamino
year typo

[KARNUT]

4 hours ago, elcamino said:

I have owned GM vehicles all my life and rarely have I used an AC Delco oil filter on any of them. I NEVER let the dealer or anyone else choose the oil or filters that go in my vehicles because to them its more about making money then selling quality.  Currently have an AMSOIL EAO17 on my 2021 Sierra on its way to a 15,000 oci which I have followed for the last 25 yrs.

 

It often amazes me that people can find fault with many GM vehicles and quality but when it comes to lubes and filters they believe GM recommends, sells and installs the best available.   AC Delco filters are not the best made, only good enough for GM.

I’m generally an Amsoil user extended. My local GM dealer that I’ve bought many vehicles over the years sends me oil change coupons. Synthetic oil change for 59$ and a additional 20$ off. I only put 7K miles on it a year. So it’s once a year. I can watch the whole process and I do. I definitely can’t do it any cheaper. That Avalanche is going on 20 years service at that dealer. My local Honda dealer is the same. Just got an 8K mileage oil change there. Only because I’m getting ready for a 3K mileage trip. Otherwise it would have been 10K. Been taken my wife’s Acura intagra type r there 20 years. My other dealer GMC-Hyundai dealer is going on 30 years doing service on my GMCs and 4 Hyundai’s so far. Still waiting for the first bad dealer experience.

[Z45]

Just got this info today

 

Effective Sept. 1, WIX has implemented an average 3.5 percent price increase on its filters due to increased raw-material costs.

[Z45]

11 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

I’m generally an Amsoil user extended. My local GM dealer that I’ve bought many vehicles over the years sends me oil change coupons. Synthetic oil change for 59$ and a additional 20$ off. I only put 7K miles on it a year. So it’s once a year. I can watch the whole process and I do. I definitely can’t do it any cheaper. That Avalanche is going on 20 years service at that dealer. My local Honda dealer is the same. Just got an 8K mileage oil change there. Only because I’m getting ready for a 3K mileage trip. Otherwise it would have been 10K. Been taken my wife’s Acura intagra type r there 20 years. My other dealer GMC-Hyundai dealer is going on 30 years doing service on my GMCs and 4 Hyundai’s so far. Still waiting for the first bad dealer experience.

The GM dealer here has changed hands 5 time in 30 yrs and now a big corp. dealer from out of state. 

[KARNUT]

14 minutes ago, elcamino said:

The GM dealer here has changed hands 5 time in 30 yrs and now a big corp. dealer from out of state. 

My town is medium sized. All family owned here. With good reputation. I can close enough to see how tight they turn the filter and plug. Then I check the oil level before I leave. Even where I buy my tires ( discount tire) I can watch. I’m a little ocd so I engaged. I was the last one in the family business who believe the synthetic deal. Oil analysis got me on board. I was 3K oil changes only. I’m a performance enthusiast. My wife’s 94 z-28 the first family car we used Amsoil. Had 5 oil changes in 7 years and 130K miles. My wife drove it then my son it became my toy. I raced it beat on it. Then sold it to my friends son. 

[Black02Silverado]

It has been a while since I opened up a Purolator filter.  I used them on some of the oil changes I did for the elderly in our church.  I had found that a few that I cut open there was a tear in the media at the end where the media is glued to the end caps.  I had found several like this and so I switched over to Walmart's Super Tech filters.  Of all those I cut open I didn't see any issues.  Since I was just using regular oil that I got on sale for the oil changes and doing them every 3k miles I tried to save them as much money as I could.  They always wanted to pay me for the oil change but I just charged them the cost of the oil. 

 

I had found Mobil 1 on sale a few times for $2.00 a qt and so I had a nice stash of it to use.  At one point I had over 80qts of it from various stores that had it on clearance.

 

Not sure if Purolator has improved on their quality or not.  Like I said I have not opened one up in over 3 years.

[Grumpy Bear]

https://www.mann-hummel.com/en/brands.html

 

Purolator, WIX, NAPA, Mann-Hummel, FILTORN all the same company. 

 

These arguments are like arguing which end of the same hot dog is best. 

 

I found a fly in a pint of Haagen-Dazs once, twice actually in 50 years

Yea...I still like Haagen-Dazs

 

[Grumpy Bear]

9 hours ago, elcamino said:

I am not doing oil analysis if that's what you are referring to.  40+ yrs of experience running AMSOIL and their filters gives me the confidence to keep on trucking like I have since 1978.....

 

Once upon a time Tide detergent contained TSP and was a darn good detergent. Government made them remove it. All Procter & Gamble said was "New and Improved". Most were never the wiser... just wondered.....What is happening to my laundry? In 40+ years the chemistry has changed...ALLOT. Your experience ....

 

If you don't do UAO then you don't likely do VOA's either. 

Do you know what changes were made to gain SAE SJ, SL, SM, SN, SN+

The product is not static. 

 

 

 

[Z45]

12 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

https://www.mann-hummel.com/en/brands.html

 

Purolator, WIX, NAPA, Mann-Hummel, FILTORN all the same company. 

 

These arguments are like arguing which end of the same hot dog is best. 

 

I found a fly in a pint of Haagen-Dazs once, twice actually in 50 years

Yea...I still like Haagen-Dazs

 

August 2, 2021 - Announcement

 

WIX Temporarily Substituting MANN-Branded Filters for Certain WIX-Branded Filters

WIX has decided to temporarily substitute MANN-branded filters for a small number of WIX-branded filters due to supply chain disruptions. These filters are packaged in WIX-branded boxes, and they meet the fit and function requirements of the WIX part number printed on the filter. The filters maintain the full backing of the WIX product warranty when used for the recommended applications associated with the WIX filter number.

 

Years ago a friend was parts guy at local Chevrolet Dealer. Was there one day and said to me look at this.  He opened a AC Delco Filter box and inside was a orange Fram filter.  Not just one, he had an whole order just come with Fram Filter inside of AC Delco boxes.  I dare say 99.9% of the customers at the dealer for an oil change were never advised.

Edited August 3, 2021 by elcamino

[Grumpy Bear]

42 minutes ago, elcamino said:

August 2, 2021 - Announcement

 

WIX Temporarily Substituting MANN-Branded Filters for Certain WIX-Branded Filters

 

 

https://wixeurope.com/en/company/news/we-are-part-of-the-mann-hummel-group

 

On May 4, 2016, Wix Filters became part of the world's leading company specialising in filtration technology for cars and all types of machines.

Is Wix owned by Mann Hummel?

 

 

The parent company of WIX Filters and Filtron has been acquired by Mann+Hummel. ... “The addition of the Wix and Filtron brands to Mann+Hummel strengthen our global presence with an expanded product portfolio and access to new markets,” said Alfred Weber, president and CEO.May 9, 2016

 

Mann+Hummel acquires WIX Filters parent | FleetOwner

https://www.fleetowner.com › equipment › article › ma...

 

https://www.dillonheraldonline.com/2020/10/01/mannhummel-to-close-companys-dillon-location/

 

Edited August 3, 2021 by Grumpy Bear