What are ya'll doing for oil changes?

[OnTheReel]

The Fram Ultra is still the most efficient filter on the market and built as good as any. Half the price of the Amsoil filter and you can get it anywhere. Fram-aphobia is real though! Too bad...

[flyingfool]

been using redline, since I became so disappointed in the performance lately of Mobil 1.. I think its also important not to use GM's recommended 0-20W , it's just too thin  after you wear out the additives it's just 0w oil. that can't be good in the long run.  been using 5-30W instead....

[Black02Silverado]

11 hours ago, Andyh1 said:

Thanks Nick, sent you a PM

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I got it, check your inbox. 

[Andyh1]

been using redline, since I became so disappointed in the performance lately of Mobil 1.. I think its also important not to use GM's recommended 0-20W , it's just too thin  after you wear out the additives it's just 0w oil. that can't be good in the long run.  been using 5-30W instead....

Do you have any data to back this up... GM engineers and GM's warranty is behind their 0w20 recommendation.

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[flyingfool]

been using it for 3 oil changes so far no issues, and the best part... engine stopped consuming oil thru the catch can ever since the switch to 5-30w.  i reinstalled the PCV line and deleted  the aftermarket  catch can . what a scam.. this is all the proof i have to offer

[flyingfool]

1 hour ago, Andyh1 said:

Do you have any data to back this up... GM engineers and GM's warranty is behind their 0w20 recommendation.

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GM engineers also installed a high temp transmission thermostat, that overheat the cuts  transmission  and torque converter lifespan by 50-60%, GM just barely gets you past the warranttee then you'll start having issues

 

my nieghbor runs 0-20W on his new Dodge MInivan he bought 4 years ago. now the engine started making a knocking sound 2 months ago.. hmmm watered down oil might as well use ATF for motor oil

Edited August 29, 2020 by flyingfool

[UGADawgs]

I've been using 0w-20 in my Honda and Subaru for over 8 years without issues. One has 109k and the other has 115k miles.

Your neighbor's problem is that he bought a Dodge, not the oil.

[Grumpy Bear]

This thin as water thing pops up from time to time and it is always based on the idea that the thickness of the oil is based on the viscosity of the oil. Which is only 1/3 of the equation. The Hersey number. 

 

Viscosity is resistance to flow, not thickness but you need to know the viscosity to get the Hersey number. You also need to know the load or pressure divided by area and velocity. Oil film thickness is based on velocity, viscosity and load. Change one one of these and the films thickness changes. (Velocity X viscosity) / load. The number is without dimension so the actual value is found experimentally by holding two steady and varying the third. Velocity is typically the one that is changed. 

 

Once found the result is compared to the asperity height of the machined surface and the Stribeck curve is generated. 

 

What all this means is that the required viscosity is dependant on operational conditions and temperature as temperature influences viscosity. AND the smoothness of the surface being lubricated. 

 

Water, at room temperature has a viscosity of 1 centipoise or 1 cPs as it's density is 1. Pretty thin, right?

 

Ever hydroplane a vehicle in a down pour? Yes is the right answer. That is velocity creating a large enough film thickness to lift your two ton vehicle above the pavement. If you have enough velocity even a VERY small viscosity can be enough. 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 30, 2020 by Grumpy Bear
grammar and spelling

[flyingfool]

8 hours ago, UGADawgs said:

I've been using 0w-20 in my Honda and Subaru for over 8 years without issues. One has 109k and the other has 115k miles.

Your neighbor's problem is that he bought a Dodge, not the oil.

i warned him, but he has a mechanic at work who used to service doge trucks and vans. said how great they where and that I am was full of ******.. lol maybe a little but not totally full of BS

Edited August 30, 2020 by flyingfool

[Grumpy Bear]

10 hours ago, UGADawgs said:

I've been using 0w-20 in my Honda and Subaru for over 8 years without issues. One has 109k and the other has 115k miles.

Your neighbor's problem is that he bought a Dodge, not the oil.

I ran 0W20 in all three of my Honda Civics. 200 to 300 K trouble free. Do Honda's actually need oil? 

[BossTaco2020]

On 8/29/2020 at 10:55 AM, OnTheReel said:

Fram-aphobia is real though! Too bad... 

Yep, that's why companies should focus on quality and not introduce anything that would sully their good name. It is a shame though. I'll never buy another one and I'll gladly pay more for the Purolator Boss or Amsoil filters. Ran only Purolators through my old F150 and Toyota Tacoma with the occasional factory filter thrown in. No problems and I changed my oil every 5000-10000 miles. F150 went up to 100K miles with spark plugs causing some issues and the Taco went up to 60K miles with no problems before I got the TB.

[Grumpy Bear]

Guy could run a door screen for a filter and get 100,000 miles and in that is the problem. Our sense of time is distorted. Time in this sense measured in miles or hours of engine operation not days or years on a calendar. "I've been running Fram for 40 years and never had a problem", you hear people say. Sure...but 15 to 20 cars/trucks/etc. They've conditioned themselves to believe 100-150 K is just all a motor can do. There's some progress. Cars did 100 K before filtration...just   Media and Marketing are more than glad to help with that delusion. Honda bent that by making 250 K as easy as falling off a log and it wasn't with better filtration or oil. Better manufacturing. Longer warranty. Everyone stepped up and then........

 

Back to 3 years 36 K or 6 years 60 K. Yea, progress. Progressively siphoning off consumer wallet fat. GM can't seem to get a 2.4 or 3.6 to 100 K if you baby them. 

 

When you tell someone that this is NOT normal they laugh. Actually they, for the most part, just don't care. They will 'tire' of the style before an actual motor life is achieved. The next new 'tech' will bait the crows and raccoons to dump their low milers. 

 

The current Purolator Pure One and Boss filters filter at levels that can push past 500 K service life in a thoughtful and robotic like program of maintenance along with a good adult driver whose goals a aligned in like. Even the standard Red box unit will filter as well as a WIX Gold and better by far than a Mobil 1. 

 

It would be hard for most people to actually use up a car in a lifetime with the right frame of mind.

 

Hey, but who is in their right mind, eh?  

 

 

Edited August 31, 2020 by Grumpy Bear

[MaverickZ71]

42 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Guy could run a door screen for a filter and get 100,000 miles and in that is the problem. Our sense of time is distorted. Time in this sense measured in miles or hours of engine operation not days or years on a calendar. "I've been running Fram for 40 years and never had a problem", you hear people say. Sure...but 15 to 20 cars/trucks/etc. They've conditioned themselves to believe 100-150 K is just all a motor can do. There's some progress. Cars did 100 K before filtration...just   Media and Marketing are more than glad to help with that delusion. Honda bent that by making 250 K as easy as falling off a log and it wasn't with better filtration or oil. Better manufacturing. Longer warranty. Everyone stepped up and then........

 

Back to 3 years 36 K or 6 years 60 K. Yea, progress. Progressively siphoning off consumer wallet fat. GM can't seem to get a 2.4 or 3.6 to 100 K if you baby them. 

 

When you tell someone that this is NOT normal they laugh. Actually they, for the most part, just don't care. They will 'tire' of the style before an actual motor life is achieved. The next new 'tech' will bait the crows and raccoons to dump their low milers. 

 

The current Purolator Pure One and Boss filters filter at levels that can push past 500 K service life in a thoughtful and robotic like program of maintenance along with a good adult driver whose goals a aligned in like. Even the standard Red box unit will filter as well as a WIX Gold and better by far than a Mobil 1. 

 

It would be hard for most people to actually use up a car in a lifetime with the right frame of mind.

 

Hey, but who is in their right mind, eh?  

 

 

Hey, Grump, remember the old roll-of-toilet-paper-in-the-can oil filter trick in the late 60's/early 70's?  Wonder if they argued Charmin vs other brands back then?    I remember we had a '67 396 that ran Quaker State 20/20W oil.  Haven't seen that particular viscosity for about 45 years.  

Edited August 31, 2020 by MaverickZ71

[MaverickZ71]

40 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Guy could run a door screen for a filter and get 100,000 miles and in that is the problem. Our sense of time is distorted. Time in this sense measured in miles or hours of engine operation not days or years on a calendar. "I've been running Fram for 40 years and never had a problem", you hear people say. Sure...but 15 to 20 cars/trucks/etc. They've conditioned themselves to believe 100-150 K is just all a motor can do. There's some progress. Cars did 100 K before filtration...just   Media and Marketing are more than glad to help with that delusion. Honda bent that by making 250 K as easy as falling off a log and it wasn't with better filtration or oil. Better manufacturing. Longer warranty. Everyone stepped up and then........

 

Back to 3 years 36 K or 6 years 60 K. Yea, progress. Progressively siphoning off consumer wallet fat. GM can't seem to get a 2.4 or 3.6 to 100 K if you baby them. 

 

When you tell someone that this is NOT normal they laugh. Actually they, for the most part, just don't care. They will 'tire' of the style before an actual motor life is achieved. The next new 'tech' will bait the crows and raccoons to dump their low milers. 

 

The current Purolator Pure One and Boss filters filter at levels that can push past 500 K service life in a thoughtful and robotic like program of maintenance along with a good adult driver whose goals a aligned in like. Even the standard Red box unit will filter as well as a WIX Gold and better by far than a Mobil 1. 

 

It would be hard for most people to actually use up a car in a lifetime with the right frame of mind.

 

Hey, but who is in their right mind, eh?  

 

 

Some years back when AC Delco came out with their "improved" (NOT) e-core filters I did a lot of research and narrowed it down to Wix (or NAPA--built by Wix) or Purolator for our vehicles.  There were too many reviews at the time that said Purolator had just sold and was having trouble with the pleats on their filter media--lots of pleats on one side, not so many on the other, with bad crimps and sometimes resulting holes in the filter media.  So I went with Wix.  Hopefully, Purolator has gotten their poop in a group since.  

Edited August 31, 2020 by MaverickZ71

[OnTheReel]

1 hour ago, BossTaco2020 said:

Yep, that's why companies should focus on quality and not introduce anything that would sully their good name. It is a shame though. I'll never buy another one and I'll gladly pay more for the Purolator Boss or Amsoil filters. Ran only Purolators through my old F150 and Toyota Tacoma with the occasional factory filter thrown in. No problems and I changed my oil every 5000-10000 miles. F150 went up to 100K miles with spark plugs causing some issues and the Taco went up to 60K miles with no problems before I got the TB.

Purolator does NOT have a good name either. I would say it’s as bad as Fram or worse. Cuz in Fram’s case it’s the cheap filters that supposedly have problems. In Tear-olator’s case, the P1 and the Boss, which are not inexpensive, have had a ton of problems coming apart internally. Problems the company hasn’t even acknowledged. Good luck.