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16 hours ago, 2016 Sierra Owner said:

I understand that. The road was changed 1 year BEFORE I bought my truck. Yet the NAV in my truck still shows the old road. I don't have to pay for my phone maps.

 

Well that's assuming when you purchased it the most up to date apps were installed. For commercial apps a year lag is about right. The phone apps (google/waze & apple) all run their own maps so they can be updated much more frequently, but for someone like GM they need to go to a map provider to get their map updates and then they may have to do testing on hardware to make sure they don't brick someones vehicle infotainment system.

 

But I'm with you, built in NAV is outdated for many reasons, your pocket supercomputer contains much more robust programs. I'm also guessing this is why they came out with Maps+ to stay way more up to date. I don't pay for that subscription so I can't tell if its good or not.

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3 minutes ago, fastk9dad said:

 

Well that's assuming when you purchased it the most up to date apps were installed. For commercial apps a year lag is about right. The phone apps (google/waze & apple) all run their own maps so they can be updated much more frequently, but for someone like GM they need to go to a map provider to get their map updates and then they may have to do testing on hardware to make sure they don't brick someones vehicle infotainment system.

 

But I'm with you, built in NAV is outdated for many reasons, your pocket supercomputer contains much more robust programs. I'm also guessing this is why they came out with Maps+ to stay way more up to date. I don't pay for that subscription so I can't tell if its good or not.

Maps+ need a lot of updating to be up to date.  There a lot of addresses it couldn't find when I tried using it. 

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mrtizzom Enthusiast

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I've noticed on Maps+ that it routes weird sometimes. It has wanted me to get off the freeway and go around in spots when Waze shows staying on the freeway and no issues. I thought it would be convenient to have it on the radio without having to plug my phone in but I find myself using Waze almost exclusively for navigation now. Maps+ def needs some updating and refinement still.

redwngr Senior Enthusiast

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Routing can change depending on settings selected.

 

Shortest vs fastest can sometimes make unexpected changes. 

Avoidances/preferences can too.

Doesn't matter what gps / mapping source is in use. 

 

Of course no setting fixes  map that doesn't yet show a new road.

Sometimes they don't add them til they are 'assumed' by the municipality.

 

Transient Senior Enthusiast

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8 hours ago, redwngr said:

Routing can change depending on settings selected.

 

Shortest vs fastest can sometimes make unexpected changes. 

Avoidances/preferences can too.

Doesn't matter what gps / mapping source is in use. 

 

Of course no setting fixes  map that doesn't yet show a new road.

Sometimes they don't add them til they are 'assumed' by the municipality.

 

Again, my road has existed for over 50 years.  Still not on GM factory navigation.  It is in Maps+, though. 

redwngr Senior Enthusiast

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And I've found roads that aren't in google maps.

It happens.

 

Of course if you do googles job for them and let them know, then they will add them.

KARNUT Senior Enthusiast

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5 minutes ago, redwngr said:

And I've found roads that aren't in google maps.

It happens.

 

Of course if you do googles job for them and let them know, then they will add them.

Back in the early garmin days while looking for ways around for my ROW tractor. The navigation device would put me on roads turning to dirt. Eventually leading to a locked gate. Lucky for me I was driving a 4WD. Otherwise there I would have sat sinking to the axle in sand. Some roads in Texas are named private roads that the garman didn’t inform. 

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19 hours ago, redwngr said:

And I've found roads that aren't in google maps.

It happens.

 

Of course if you do googles job for them and let them know, then they will add them.

Been there, done that.  The address for the house I owned in Virginia was wrong on Google Maps.  Everybody was turning left when they should've been turning right.  It didn't change much after telling Google because most everybody is using other GPS devices. 

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19 hours ago, KARNUT said:

Back in the early garmin days while looking for ways around for my ROW tractor. The navigation device would put me on roads turning to dirt. Eventually leading to a locked gate. Lucky for me I was driving a 4WD. Otherwise there I would have sat sinking to the axle in sand. Some roads in Texas are named private roads that the garman didn’t inform. 

Same thing happens in Wyoming.  Went to see the eclipse in 2017.  Traffics was backed up 36 miles, which took over 3 hours to get through.  Google tried having me turn off the paved road onto fenced dirt roads.  I didn't want to risk my wife's Traverse, so I waited out the traffic.  We had the fuel, and kids were distracted with their devices and toys.

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nichos Enthusiast

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On 1/3/2022 at 5:28 PM, fastk9dad said:

 

If you are using the built in NAV with the SD card you would need to get an updated maps SD card if you want them to update. https://gmnavdisc.navigation.com/home/en_US/GMNA/USD

 

Do you know if this can be used on a truck without maps? It says update. I have an SD card slow and a maps button, but my truck didn't come with the SD card.

 

Here's what my build sheet says:

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IOS - CHEVROLET INFOTAINMENT 3 PLUS 8" DIAG
HD COLOR TOUCHSCREEN VOICE RECOGNITION
BLUETOOTH AUDIO STREAMING APPLE CARPLAY& ANDROID AUTO CAPABLE, IN-VEHICLE APPS
AND PERSONALIZATION CAPABLE

 

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2 hours ago, nichos said:

 

Do you know if this can be used on a truck without maps? It says update. I have an SD card slow and a maps button, but my truck didn't come with the SD card.

 

Here's what my build sheet says:

 

I believe the short answer is no.  The SD card reader for navigation only works on trucks with factory navigation.  However, you can use the Maps+ (I think I have that right) app, coupled with the appropriate Onstar subscription plan for navigation that is voice turn-by-turn navigation, and I believe visual turn-by-turn directions are displayed on the DIC (no map on the infotainment screen though).  A couple of aftermarket vendors do, however, offer options for upgrading to factory navigation if you have the IOS infotainment system and the SD card reader.  White Automotive and Media Services is one, and OBD Genie is another.  I went with the OBD Genie and am happy with the results on my 2020 Silverado LT.

Transient Senior Enthusiast

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7 hours ago, Anacortes Army Guy said:

I believe the short answer is no.  The SD card reader for navigation only works on trucks with factory navigation.  However, you can use the Maps+ (I think I have that right) app, coupled with the appropriate Onstar subscription plan for navigation that is voice turn-by-turn navigation, and I believe visual turn-by-turn directions are displayed on the DIC (no map on the infotainment screen though).  A couple of aftermarket vendors do, however, offer options for upgrading to factory navigation if you have the IOS infotainment system and the SD card reader.  White Automotive and Media Services is one, and OBD Genie is another.  I went with the OBD Genie and am happy with the results on my 2020 Silverado LT.

You have it correct.  Nothing to add.  I did the GM factory nav upgrade through MVI.  Very happy with the result. 

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