19-22 TPMS won't work with 2022.5/23 trucks??

latreille89 · December 23, 2022

Was at the dealer yesterday looking at some take off rims. Came off a 2022 limited model. Parts guy is saying the tpms do no not talk with the software in the refreshed models even though they are both 433hz. Anyone run into this issue? I know the 18's and older used 315hz sensors which causes an issue.

silveradosid · December 24, 2022

dealer is correct, had the same problem when i bought takeoffs from a refresh 2022. i have a 2020

Edited December 24, 2022 by silveradosid

jaxcam02 · December 25, 2022

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newdude · December 25, 2022

Correct. 19-22 won't work on a refresh+newer and vise versa (refresh sensors won't work on a 19-22).

The refresh and newer use new TPM sensors that feature an auto learning feature. The sensors automatically program to the truck, and will automatically re-learn positions after a rotate.

The old sensors are the same frequency and will synchronize with a TPM relearn tool but won't stay learned.

mjonesjr84 · December 27, 2022

On 12/24/2022 at 10:07 PM, newdude said:

Correct. 19-22 won't work on a refresh+newer and vise versa (refresh sensors won't work on a 19-22).

The refresh and newer use new TPM sensors that feature an auto learning feature. The sensors automatically program to the truck, and will automatically re-learn positions after a rotate.

The old sensors are the same frequency and will synchronize with a TPM relearn tool but won't stay learned.

This is interesting as the refresh (2022.5+) trucks include the tire relearn sequence in the dash too. I've used a relearn tool in the relearn sequence on my 2022 refresh without any issues.

When you say "after a route", how long of a drive does it take for the refresh trucks to learn the new TMPS locations?

newdude · December 27, 2022

44 minutes ago, mjonesjr84 said:

This is interesting as the refresh (2022.5+) trucks include the tire relearn sequence in the dash too. I've used a relearn tool in the relearn sequence on my 2022 refresh without any issues.

When you say "after a route", how long of a drive does it take for the refresh trucks to learn the new TMPS locations?

Yes, they still have that. When I switched my summers out for my winters, I put them on the truck and hit the road. They were reading within a couple miles at the most. Didn't even touch my relearn tool.

Here's the official jargon about it:

Software Auto-location (SAL) (If Equipped) is achieved by correlating information from the sensor with information from the ABS system to make a location decision. Factors such as rolling radius, steering angle etc. cause each vehicle wheel to rotate at a unique speed and difference in tire speeds helps software auto learn feature to assign sensor IDs to the correct locations. If a new sensor has been installed or tire rotated, the vehicle must be stationary for about 20 minutes before the system can start the process of calculating correct sensor locations. For this to happen, the vehicle will need to be driven at speed greater than 20 km/h (12 mph) for about 10 min.

When the vehicle is stationary, the sensors internal shock sensor is inactive which puts the sensors into a Stationary state. In this state the sensors sample tire pressure once every 30 sec and do not transmit at all if the tire pressure does not change. As vehicle speed increases, the shock sensor pulses every wheel rotation, which puts the sensor into Rolling mode. The remote control door lock receiver receives and then sends the tire pressure and temperature data to the body control module (BCM). The BCM translates the data contained in the tire pressure sensor radio frequency transmissions into sensor presence, sensor mode, and tire pressure. Once vehicle speed is greater than 40 km/h (25 MPH), the sensors begin to transmit once a minute keeping the pressure data up to date.

Edited December 27, 2022 by newdude

mjonesjr84 · December 27, 2022

8 minutes ago, newdude said:

Yes, they still have that. When I switched my summers out for my winters, I put them on the truck and hit the road. They were reading within a couple miles at the most. Didn't even touch my relearn tool.

Here's the official jargon about it:

Software Auto-location (SAL) (If Equipped) is achieved by correlating information from the sensor with information from the ABS system to make a location decision. Factors such as rolling radius, steering angle etc. cause each vehicle wheel to rotate at a unique speed and difference in tire speeds helps software auto learn feature to assign sensor IDs to the correct locations. If a new sensor has been installed or tire rotated, the vehicle must be stationary for about 20 minutes before the system can start the process of calculating correct sensor locations. For this to happen, the vehicle will need to be driven at speed greater than 20 km/h (12 mph) for about 10 min.

When the vehicle is stationary, the sensors internal shock sensor is inactive which puts the sensors into a Stationary state. In this state the sensors sample tire pressure once every 30 sec and do not transmit at all if the tire pressure does not change. As vehicle speed increases, the shock sensor pulses every wheel rotation, which puts the sensor into Rolling mode. The remote control door lock receiver receives and then sends the tire pressure and temperature data to the body control module (BCM). The BCM translates the data contained in the tire pressure sensor radio frequency transmissions into sensor presence, sensor mode, and tire pressure. Once vehicle speed is greater than 40 km/h (25 MPH), the sensors begin to transmit once a minute keeping the pressure data up to date.

Good information to know, thanks!

latreille89 · December 29, 2022

Well this was all extremely informative. Can't believe they made a system that doesn't require any human input! GM did something right finally. Going to be getting sensors on my winters in the next few days to avoid the light.... been looking at that for years in past cars and I'm done with it. Thanks for all the info.

MrLeadFoot · March 20, 2023

On 12/27/2022 at 8:43 AM, newdude said:

Yes, they still have that. When I switched my summers out for my winters, I put them on the truck and hit the road. They were reading within a couple miles at the most. Didn't even touch my relearn tool.

Here's the official jargon about it:

Software Auto-location (SAL) (If Equipped) is achieved by correlating information from the sensor with information from the ABS system to make a location decision. Factors such as rolling radius, steering angle etc. cause each vehicle wheel to rotate at a unique speed and difference in tire speeds helps software auto learn feature to assign sensor IDs to the correct locations. If a new sensor has been installed or tire rotated, the vehicle must be stationary for about 20 minutes before the system can start the process of calculating correct sensor locations. For this to happen, the vehicle will need to be driven at speed greater than 20 km/h (12 mph) for about 10 min.

When the vehicle is stationary, the sensors internal shock sensor is inactive which puts the sensors into a Stationary state. In this state the sensors sample tire pressure once every 30 sec and do not transmit at all if the tire pressure does not change. As vehicle speed increases, the shock sensor pulses every wheel rotation, which puts the sensor into Rolling mode. The remote control door lock receiver receives and then sends the tire pressure and temperature data to the body control module (BCM). The BCM translates the data contained in the tire pressure sensor radio frequency transmissions into sensor presence, sensor mode, and tire pressure. Once vehicle speed is greater than 40 km/h (25 MPH), the sensors begin to transmit once a minute keeping the pressure data up to date.

Do you know the part number for my '22 Refresh Sierra 1500? And, where do you guys get them?

MrLeadFoot · April 3, 2023

On 12/27/2022 at 8:43 AM, newdude said:

Yes, they still have that. When I switched my summers out for my winters, I put them on the truck and hit the road. They were reading within a couple miles at the most. Didn't even touch my relearn tool.

Here's the official jargon about it:

Software Auto-location (SAL) (If Equipped) is achieved by correlating information from the sensor with information from the ABS system to make a location decision. Factors such as rolling radius, steering angle etc. cause each vehicle wheel to rotate at a unique speed and difference in tire speeds helps software auto learn feature to assign sensor IDs to the correct locations. If a new sensor has been installed or tire rotated, the vehicle must be stationary for about 20 minutes before the system can start the process of calculating correct sensor locations. For this to happen, the vehicle will need to be driven at speed greater than 20 km/h (12 mph) for about 10 min.

When the vehicle is stationary, the sensors internal shock sensor is inactive which puts the sensors into a Stationary state. In this state the sensors sample tire pressure once every 30 sec and do not transmit at all if the tire pressure does not change. As vehicle speed increases, the shock sensor pulses every wheel rotation, which puts the sensor into Rolling mode. The remote control door lock receiver receives and then sends the tire pressure and temperature data to the body control module (BCM). The BCM translates the data contained in the tire pressure sensor radio frequency transmissions into sensor presence, sensor mode, and tire pressure. Once vehicle speed is greater than 40 km/h (25 MPH), the sensors begin to transmit once a minute keeping the pressure data up to date.

I know this is old, but I just rotated tires, and they don't relearn positions on my truck. Will a relearn tool work for mine in this case?

Edited April 3, 2023 by MrLeadFoot

newdude · April 3, 2023

11 hours ago, MrLeadFoot said:

I know this is old, but I just rotated tires, and they don't relearn positions on my truck. Will a relearn tool work for mine in this case?

If for some reason they won't, you'd need a relearn tool. I haven't had to touch a relearn tool on mine yet, even when swapping winters to summers.

Note from the operation of the system:

"If a new sensor has been installed or tire rotated, the vehicle must be stationary for about 20 minutes before the system can start the process of calculating correct sensor locations. For this to happen, the vehicle will need to be driven at speed greater than 20 km/h (12 mph) for about 10 min.

mjonesjr84 · April 3, 2023

11 hours ago, MrLeadFoot said:

I know this is old, but I just rotated tires, and they don't relearn positions on my truck. Will a relearn tool work for mine in this case?

Yes, the relearn tools still work. You have to put the truck into learn mode. I use one on my 2022 refresh truck with no issues.

Mike Duhaime · April 3, 2023

On 12/24/2022 at 10:07 PM, newdude said:

Correct. 19-22 won't work on a refresh+newer and vise versa (refresh sensors won't work on a 19-22).

The refresh and newer use new TPM sensors that feature an auto learning feature. The sensors automatically program to the truck, and will automatically re-learn positions after a rotate.

The old sensors are the same frequency and will synchronize with a TPM relearn tool but won't stay learned.

They auto learn. I learned that after buying the relearn tool , and changing my snow tires... no codes or errors, read tires right away

GM sales people never tell you that important info. That's a great selling feature.

newdude · April 3, 2023

1 hour ago, Mike Duhaime said:

They auto learn. I learned that after buying the relearn tool , and changing my snow tires... no codes or errors, read tires right away

GM sales people never tell you that important info. That's a great selling feature.

Half of them barely know how to pair a phone to them lol.

Mike Duhaime · April 3, 2023

Yeah, they spent hours connecting google. I told them stop, I'll do it later at home. Then said My Chev aoo was free for 10 years. Got called 3 months after by On Star. You must pay subscription or it wont work!