CAFE Gone?

[Grumpy Bear]

On 7/15/2025 at 9:32 PM, C/K Man said:

So, if the Corporate Average Fuel Economy requirements are essentially eliminated, what does in mean for the next generation Silverado/Sierra? 

 

At least 3 more years of confusion.  

[Atlas]

The only thing that happened was the EPA rescinded California's waiver to set stricter emissions standards than Federal. And fines are on hold/delayed for not meeting the escalating fuel economy standards set forth in the next few years.

 

That doesn't preclude any automaker from following a higher standard than Federal, which many of them are doing as a course of business anyway. Many of the automakers still need to meet European fuel economy and emissions targets, at least there are people with brains still running things over there.

 

Stellantis' decision to kill its 5.7 was unrelated. It was brought back under a change of CEO, not government regs. Nobody except the Hemi diehards cared, it wasn't a great engine anyway. Too bad they aren't replacing it with something better that doesn't eat cams.

 

 

[Z45]

Don't believe what you read on the internet.....

[Black02Silverado]

2 hours ago, Atlas said:

The only thing that happened was the EPA rescinded California's waiver to set stricter emissions standards than Federal. And fines are on hold/delayed for not meeting the escalating fuel economy standards set forth in the next few years.

 

That doesn't preclude any automaker from following a higher standard than Federal, which many of them are doing as a course of business anyway. Many of the automakers still need to meet European fuel economy and emissions targets, at least there are people with brains still running things over there.

 

Stellantis' decision to kill its 5.7 was unrelated. It was brought back under a change of CEO, not government regs. Nobody except the Hemi diehards cared, it wasn't a great engine anyway. Too bad they aren't replacing it with something better that doesn't eat cams.

 

 

Low quality materials across the board on all manufactures is the issue and sadly it's only going to get worse all in the name of saving money. If you want a new vehicle and want it to last, you basically need to pull the engine and transmission and update it with quality parts, but then who can afford that?  Welcome to the world of disposable vehicles. 

[Z45]

17 hours ago, Black02Silverado said:

Low quality materials across the board on all manufactures is the issue and sadly it's only going to get worse all in the name of saving money. If you want a new vehicle and want it to last, you basically need to pull the engine and transmission and update it with quality parts, but then who can afford that?  Welcome to the world of disposable vehicles. 

 

 

Per AI

 Planned obsolescence is a business strategy where products are designed to become obsolete (either through malfunction or becoming outdated) relatively quickly, encouraging consumers to purchase replacements. This practice is often criticized for its environmental impact and for potentially exploiting consumers by limiting the lifespan of products. 

 

Edited July 22, 2025 by Z45

[Grumpy Bear]

1 hour ago, Z45 said:

 

 

Per AI

 Planned obsolescence is a business strategy where products are designed to become obsolete (either through malfunction or becoming outdated) relatively quickly, encouraging consumers to purchase replacements. This practice is often criticized for its environmental impact and for potentially exploiting consumers by limiting the lifespan of products. 

 

 

19 hours ago, Z45 said:

Don't believe what you read on the internet.....

 

Wait! WHAT? 

 

No, no, I get it, but that was just to easy.    Sorry   Don't believe the internet just the AI on it. Got it.  

 

AI is dead on this time. It understands business when It says this. A person is an idiot when they say it's true. 

 

Here's my unsolicited take on things like C.A.F.E.

 

Goals are good. Goals that improve life; better. Goals that create impossible situations to favor one sector over another, bad and I mean really bad. They are not 'fixing' anything. Air quality improvement was a headline story over COVID and people still drove, just less so. The lesson was NOT elimination. It was reduction. Reduction to a point the earths natural defensed can handle it. But that requires not just regulations, sensible regulation, but also cooperation and kids people don't want problems fixed when it imposes on their 'right' to do as they please instead of 'do as they ought'. 

 

 

[KARNUT]

Some people are just silly. You ask the government to fix anything it start off good usually. You ask the government to make a hammer better. They’ll start a think tank, establish two organizations spend billions. And finally eliminate the hammer. They can’t make the hammer better they claim. Instead they make you use a special nail gun. It’s powered by electric. You get electric from a coal generated plant. All the while the hammer manufactor  is making the hammer better to keep up with the competition. Even though you can get a government discount to buy the electric nail gun. After a few decades they realize the electric nail gun actually creates more pollution. The hammer meanwhile becomes more efficient. 

Edited July 22, 2025 by KARNUT

[customboss]

EPA aims to undo authority to regulate climate pollution 

https://www.npr.org/2025/08/19/nx-s1-5501576/climate-pollution-epa-regulation-endangerment-finding

[swathdiver]

The Endangerment Finding was an attempt to advance a political agenda with junk science.  It too is gone for good.

[customboss]

1 hour ago, swathdiver said:

The Endangerment Finding was an attempt to advance a political agenda with junk science.  It too is gone for good.

"Traditionally, Republican administrations have believed in trying to reduce the regulatory burden, but I think they've paid more attention to the concerns of the business community," Holmstead says. "And I don't want to suggest that the Trump administration is impervious to those concerns. But for ideological reasons, they are doing a number of things that U.S. business is not supportive of."

[customboss]

1 hour ago, swathdiver said:

junk science

Business doesn’t care what the right calls things. They don’t want to re-tool. 

[Atlas]

I doubt we'll be seeing deleted diesels and carbureted V8's in new vehicles from the factory. This whole undoing is a scam...our nation has grown and has experienced unprecedented wealth accumulation since the Endangerment Finding, so I'm not really sure why we can't make money AND protect our air and water. At any rate, this is another disruption for businesses and investors as it just creates more near term uncertainty, and a higher likelihood that things will snap hard in the other direction again soon.

[customboss]

2 hours ago, Atlas said:

I doubt we'll be seeing deleted diesels and carbureted V8's in new vehicles from the factory. This whole undoing is a scam...our nation has grown and has experienced unprecedented wealth accumulation since the Endangerment Finding, so I'm not really sure why we can't make money AND protect our air and water. At any rate, this is another disruption for businesses and investors as it just creates more near term uncertainty, and a higher likelihood that things will snap hard in the other direction again soon.

Indeed. Laws of physics won’t hold off long. 

[Atlas]

1 hour ago, customboss said:

Indeed. Laws of physics won’t hold off long. 

 

Which one? LOL

Poop rolls downhill? What goes up, can definitely come crashing down? The wheels fall off the clown car eventually? Pedophiles will burn in hell?

Edited August 20, 2025 by Atlas

[customboss]

hmmmm refiners don’t want changes?? As in deregulation costs. 
https://stocks.apple.com/ACw5jLwQyQIaowFh5rzou8Q

 

FRIDAY, AUG. 22, 2025

The surprising reason many fossil-fuel companies support EPA rules

 

Edited August 22, 2025 by customboss