Starbucks Bans Guns

ATMINF · September 29, 2013

Blackout07 I would have to say I would have to agree to disagree with you. A law bidding citizen minding their own business should not have to worry about getting into a confrontation with you, because you aren't cool with it. You enforce the law, not make the law. For me I have fought for all the rights the Constitution has given us American Citizens, and I do not think it is just or okay for others to want me to give my rights up so easily. With all that being said, I can't think of a good reason to have a long rifle at a Starbucks, unless I felt the area was not safe enough to have my rifle secured in my vehicle, but I probably would not be stopping there anyway. Just my two cents.

MikeNH · September 29, 2013

It's all where you live. OC is illegal in Texas so despite being somewhat gun friendly you'd likely have a lot of concerned people because it isn't common. OC seems popular in Michigan so even officers in developed areas know how to handle it and that OCers aren't a threat to anyone.

Back on topic- makes no difference to me, I pretty much only drink water or Coke.

Squirrely · September 29, 2013

Coincidentally, this whole Starbucks thing falls in line with McGinns new voluntary anti-gun
policy.

You even get a pretty sign...

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Program-would-allow-Seattle-businesses-to-ban-guns-in-stores-220184161.html

OC and CC will eventually get the boot from Starbucks. I assume Shultz doesn't want his stores turning into a political battleground.

Squirrely · September 29, 2013

I'm all for guns and totally against open carry. If I walked in any business and saw someone sporting any type of firearm it would make me nervous.

I guess I don't see why we need restrictions just because someone is nervous. Are we going to legislate based upon comfort levels now???

blackout07 · September 29, 2013

Blackout07 I would have to say I would have to agree to disagree with you. A law bidding citizen minding their own business should not have to worry about getting into a confrontation with you, because you aren't cool with it. You enforce the law, not make the law. For me I have fought for all the rights the Constitution has given us American Citizens, and I do not think it is just or okay for others to want me to give my rights up so easily. With all that being said, I can't think of a good reason to have a long rifle at a Starbucks, unless I felt the area was not safe enough to have my rifle secured in my vehicle, but I probably would not be stopping there anyway. Just my two cents.

Of course they should. Open carry is illegal in Texas, so yes they should worry about it. In fact displaying any firearm in a manner intended to alarm is illegal in Texas. We have to be responsible with our guns and that goes hand in hand with the old "time and place" adage. I can technically strap a gun on my hip and throw a badge around my neck while wearing bdu's and a camo jacket and head off to pick my kid up from school if I want to. But I have just enough....I mean just barely enough snap to realize that that isn't the smartest thing to do. My point here is that if any business says you cant come in here with (insert whatever), then too bad. If you wanna talk about rights, then keep those in mind as well.

blackout07 · September 29, 2013

I guess I don't see why we need restrictions just because someone is nervous. Are we going to legislate based upon comfort levels now???

Of course not. We should ignore obvious signs of danger and use our crystal balls more.

ATMINF · September 29, 2013

Blackout I am talking about in places where OC is legal. In you area it is not so my statement about a law biding citizen would not apply.

Squirrely · September 30, 2013

Of course not. We should ignore obvious signs of danger and use our crystal balls more.

Ha.

So OC is an obvious sign of what?

I'd check my crystal ball but it's in for repair.

StinkyCheese · September 30, 2013

Open carry of pistols in Texas is illegal, open carrying of long arms is legal. I've been hassled by police here in Florida for open carrying while fishing, perfectly legal in that instance. I'm sorry if people are scared, ignorant, "feel" a certain way, but I won't apologize for knowing my rights and legal citizens should not be having their rights restricted because someone "feels" scared or whatever type of feeling they have. Educating the masses is the only way we begin get around the trampling of our rights and stop stupid feel good legislation.

blackout07 · September 30, 2013

You guys are missing the point. If Starbucks doesn't want to see a gun then that's their prerogative. You can boycott them along with your liquor stores and banks. Some convenient stores won't let you in wearing a hoodie. How dare they?

Squirrely · September 30, 2013

I agree that Starbucks will eventually ban guns. It's only a matter of time.

ATMINF · September 30, 2013

Blackout you may be missing my point. If the law allows somthing, in this case its open carry of a firearm, law enforcmen should not bother the law biding citzen, if they are just that law biding. If a store chooses to have a policy to not allow it, then the customer must follow that policy or choose not to visit the store. Its is simple. My point with you as a law enforcement officer is that you enforce the law not make it. As your statement earlier gave the impression you would act on a open carry situation because it made you feel uneasy. Trust me I deal with trying to see the strategic view of the situation everyday, and your implication that I cannot see that is not correct. Again, no skin off my nose we can just agree to disagree and move on. Have a good day.

MikeNH · September 30, 2013

You guys are missing the point. If Starbucks doesn't want to see a gun then that's their prerogative. You can boycott them along with your liquor stores and banks. Some convenient stores won't let you in wearing a hoodie. How dare they?

No law against carrying in banks or liquor stores either in many states. But if someplace bans guns, I'll respect that and not do business with them and make sure every other like minded person I can find does the same. Guy is free to do as he likes with his stores just like I'm free to do what I can to cause a dent in his business since legal gun owners are a big population. Michigan alone has over 400,000 CPL holders. If some statewide chain chose to ban guns and all of is could get on the same page and go elsewhere, the store would feel that. One member of a local forum after turning from a furniture store that chose to ban guns went elsewhere, spent a significant amount of money at a competitor and then emailed the original store explaining the reason for the lost sale. That's the kind of thing you need to do.

BlackZ71Silverado · October 1, 2013

I'm all for guns and totally against open carry. If I walked in any business and saw someone sporting any type of firearm it would make me nervous.

And that's a huge problem IMO.......The left wing media and crazy anti-American politicians have been drilling into people heads for years that gun = bad, that's not the case, not even close. They have people programmed that guns are for police and military only, it's a shame what this Country has become.

dcheeseman · October 1, 2013

Many men and women have died for our great country, I'm forever thankful that they have fought for our freedoms. I'm very proud that I live in a country where I can carry a firearm to protect my family/myself WHICH IS MY CHOICE. If you wanna carry open WONDERFUL, If you wanna carry concealed WONDERFUL, If you wanna not carry at all WONDERFUL......my point its our freedom to do so. I personally feel proud see others carrying as well, I've talked to many of them, they are VERY aware of there rights and laws. Most also would stand in the line of danger for you. I also personally carry open and carry concealed (I have a lifetime license to do so).