6 month review

2014bluesle4x4DC · April 23, 2014

I did and maybe my factoring is wrong but if you divide 100 by 12.3 you get 8.1km per liter.

100k equals 62 miles, 8.1km per liter equals 5 miles. 62 miles divided by 5 equals 12.4 miles per gallon

Help me out here maybe im doing it wrong. We dont play with metric to often down here.

Or over lifetime your sitting at 19mpg. which with is a lot less than you stated.

your right at the 19 mpg but read my other thread I put on you will see were I am comming from with my numbers.

and just to add im 28 years old I dont think my babying the truck is quite old man driving. Lol

Northside · April 23, 2014

If you care to read the thread from the beginning you'll see my 'opinion' and all 3 engines - obviously you haven't read them or you wouldn't be asking the first question. I also have friends with EBs and they are all happy with their trucks. So does that make an EB a good engine because of my experience or a bad one because your experience/perception? Yes and I agree “The internet is a great place for guys like you who want to start **** with guys you'd never start with in real life.” - That can go both ways. Sorry to have upset you but you stated an opinion; I stated mine and I’ll stand by it.

First I have read the entire thread. What I responded to was your comment saying, Another person with an opinion about Ford's EB who doesn't have a clue. So anyone with an opinion differing from yours doesn't have a clue? How else can that be taken? Of course you were trying to start something.

Now Nards 444 also has a different opinion than mine on the lag of spooling up. That's great I respect his opinion and experience. My opinion is mine and his is his. We drove different trucks so our experiences were probably different. He showed class and respect in his post while your "know it all" attitude showed in yours. Have a very nice day.

gmissed · April 23, 2014

First I have read the entire thread. What I responded to was your comment saying, Another person with an opinion about Ford's EB who doesn't have a clue. So anyone with an opinion differing from yours doesn't have a clue? How else can that be taken? Of course you were trying to start something.

Now Nards 444 also has a different opinion than mine on the lag of spooling up. That's great I respect his opinion and experience. My opinion is mine and his is his. We drove different trucks so our experiences were probably different. He showed class and respect in his post while your "know it all" attitude showed in yours. Have a very nice day

Apologies for my wording but the way you stated your opinion you came across as a "know it all" as well. You've never owned an EB yet appeared to be an expert on the engine? You had nothing to backup your claim.

Northside · April 24, 2014

Not a big thing, your apology is accepted. Sorry if I got under your skin. If there weren't different opinions this would be a dull forum. I admit past experiences with Fords in general biases me toward GM, Past experiences with turbos have left me with the opinion that they belong on hot rods and are less reliable than naturally aspirated engines. Times change and things improve. One of my friends is talking about selling his five month old EB and he's a life long Ford guy. I'm into modified Harleys so one pickup truck being a bit faster doesn't mean much to me. I want reliability and those turbo Fords scare me.

gmissed · April 24, 2014

Not a big thing, your apology is accepted. Sorry if I got under your skin. If there weren't different opinions this would be a dull forum. I admit past experiences with Fords in general biases me toward GM, Past experiences with turbos have left me with the opinion that they belong on hot rods and are less reliable than naturally aspirated engines. Times change and things improve. One of my friends is talking about selling his five month old EB and he's a life long Ford guy. I'm into modified Harleys so one pickup truck being a bit faster doesn't mean much to me. I want reliability and those turbo Fords scare me.

Off topic.....I'm a Harley guy myself. Always have been and always will be. Are there better more reliable bikes - yes. Does any bike have more soul than a Harley - IMO, no.

soltys · April 24, 2014

Apologies for my wording but the way you stated your opinion you came across as a "know it all" as well. You've never owned an EB yet appeared to be an expert on the engine? You had nothing to backup your claim.

You're both coming across as "know it all".

I own a 2014 GMC and for the past year, my new work truck is a '13 F-150 with the EB. Now yes my Sierra is a loaded up SLT and my work truck is a only a nicely equipped XLT but to me, there is no comparison between the two. I was the first one to put the miles on either truck and to tell you truth - the ford just doesn't impress me.

When this truck is loaded down with a trailer or actually needs to work like a truck - the eco shows it's downfalls. When the motor is constantly under load and the turbos need to keep up boost, the truck does not perform like my 5.3. When actually "working" the truck, I'm averaging 12 - 13 mpg on at a constant speed on the highway pulling approx. 3000 lbs of ATVs/Sleds. My Sierra pulling the same trailer - averages 15 - 16. I also feel I have more power available in my Sierra when I need it (passing or hills). The Sierra doesn't start searching for gears as frequently and just seams to have more power available once at speed. Don't get me wrong, when both trucks are empty, the ecoboost will eat mine in a race. But if I wanted a stop light racer, I would have kept my car, or I'll get a toy out and we'll go have some fun. They're still trucks.

The other thing that the Ford fails in for me is cold weather reliability. To say the least, it sucks. On the cold days (I mean Saskatchewan cold -40 and below without the wind) - its not the truck to have. This past winter, I had booth turbos replaced because of "weather stress" as the dealer called it. My company has both ecos and 5.0L and the 5.0L have been way more reliable. Besides, over the winter, with mainly highway drive, my average mileage was 13.4 mpg. That's hand calculated for the company expenses. When the I used my Sierra in exchange when the Ford was in the shop, similar cold winter weather, same trip, 16.8 mpg. Not great but better. Since it's warmed up, I'll give the Ford some slack and say I've improved to the 16.2. I've only use the Sierra a couple of times since the weathers been better and I've averaged 18.9.

Take this as you want to - I have the experiences with both trucks. I'm not knocking the people who have the Fords, had the Ford or want the Ford and the only time I will chirp anyone for owning one is if we're doing so over a cold beer. This is just my opinion, but for me, I'll take my Sierra.

gmissed · April 24, 2014

You're both coming across as "know it all".

I own a 2014 GMC and for the past year, my new work truck is a '13 F-150 with the EB. Now yes my Sierra is a loaded up SLT and my work truck is a only a nicely equipped XLT but to me, there is no comparison between the two. I was the first one to put the miles on either truck and to tell you truth - the ford just doesn't impress me.

When this truck is loaded down with a trailer or actually needs to work like a truck - the eco shows it's downfalls. When the motor is constantly under load and the turbos need to keep up boost, the truck does not perform like my 5.3. When actually "working" the truck, I'm averaging 12 - 13 mpg on at a constant speed on the highway pulling approx. 3000 lbs of ATVs/Sleds. My Sierra pulling the same trailer - averages 15 - 16. I also feel I have more power available in my Sierra when I need it (passing or hills). The Sierra doesn't start searching for gears as frequently and just seams to have more power available once at speed. Don't get me wrong, when both trucks are empty, the ecoboost will eat mine in a race. But if I wanted a stop light racer, I would have kept my car, or I'll get a toy out and we'll go have some fun. They're still trucks.

The other thing that the Ford fails in for me is cold weather reliability. To say the least, it sucks. On the cold days (I mean Saskatchewan cold -40 and below without the wind) - its not the truck to have. This past winter, I had booth turbos replaced because of "weather stress" as the dealer called it. My company has both ecos and 5.0L and the 5.0L have been way more reliable. Besides, over the winter, with mainly highway drive, my average mileage was 13.4 mpg. That's hand calculated for the company expenses. When the I used my Sierra in exchange when the Ford was in the shop, similar cold winter weather, same trip, 16.8 mpg. Not great but better. Since it's warmed up, I'll give the Ford some slack and say I've improved to the 16.2. I've only use the Sierra a couple of times since the weathers been better and I've averaged 18.9.

Take this as you want to - I have the experiences with both trucks. I'm not knocking the people who have the Fords, had the Ford or want the Ford and the only time I will chirp anyone for owning one is if we're doing so over a cold beer. This is just my opinion, but for me, I'll take my Sierra.

I have experience in both trucks as well. I like the 5.3L as much as the EB and never had an issue. I live in Ontario and the winter here is bad as well though probably not as bad as Sask. Your trailering experience is far different than what is being experienced by others in the EB forum. 3000 lbs doesn't seem like much and others are pulling twice that with no issues whatsoever. I admit I didn't read every post but the ones I did had good reviews. Check it out.

http://www.f150ecoboost.net/forum/17-f150-ecoboost-towing

nards444 · April 28, 2014

You're both coming across as "know it all".

I own a 2014 GMC and for the past year, my new work truck is a '13 F-150 with the EB. Now yes my Sierra is a loaded up SLT and my work truck is a only a nicely equipped XLT but to me, there is no comparison between the two. I was the first one to put the miles on either truck and to tell you truth - the ford just doesn't impress me.

When this truck is loaded down with a trailer or actually needs to work like a truck - the eco shows it's downfalls. When the motor is constantly under load and the turbos need to keep up boost, the truck does not perform like my 5.3. When actually "working" the truck, I'm averaging 12 - 13 mpg on at a constant speed on the highway pulling approx. 3000 lbs of ATVs/Sleds. My Sierra pulling the same trailer - averages 15 - 16. I also feel I have more power available in my Sierra when I need it (passing or hills). The Sierra doesn't start searching for gears as frequently and just seams to have more power available once at speed. Don't get me wrong, when both trucks are empty, the ecoboost will eat mine in a race. But if I wanted a stop light racer, I would have kept my car, or I'll get a toy out and we'll go have some fun. They're still trucks.

The other thing that the Ford fails in for me is cold weather reliability. To say the least, it sucks. On the cold days (I mean Saskatchewan cold -40 and below without the wind) - its not the truck to have. This past winter, I had booth turbos replaced because of "weather stress" as the dealer called it. My company has both ecos and 5.0L and the 5.0L have been way more reliable. Besides, over the winter, with mainly highway drive, my average mileage was 13.4 mpg. That's hand calculated for the company expenses. When the I used my Sierra in exchange when the Ford was in the shop, similar cold winter weather, same trip, 16.8 mpg. Not great but better. Since it's warmed up, I'll give the Ford some slack and say I've improved to the 16.2. I've only use the Sierra a couple of times since the weathers been better and I've averaged 18.9.

Take this as you want to - I have the experiences with both trucks. I'm not knocking the people who have the Fords, had the Ford or want the Ford and the only time I will chirp anyone for owning one is if we're doing so over a cold beer. This is just my opinion, but for me, I'll take my Sierra.

Question what about gearing, were they the same in both trucks, and did both trucks have 4x4? Same cab style and bed length?

Just curious because under load is typically when the EB excells. I towed 9000lbs and got just about 13mpg going 68mph or what about 115kph. A lot may depend on gearing as I had 3.73s and if you went to low gearing that could be the issue.

Again everybodys experiences can be different, depending on what they are using it for and location. You said work truck so Im guessing probably not high gearing among other things, which may not be a fair comparison.

nards444 · April 28, 2014

I did make the first long trip this weekend about 1200 miles in total. Average speed was roughly around 74mph, steady cruise most of the time and terrain was flat, temp in the 40's or 50's. I averaged 18.8mpg. Sort of disapointed.

Also I must add maybe Im missing something but I believe there is no button on the on or by the lights to turn the dome lights on or off.

soltys · April 28, 2014

Question what about gearing, were they the same in both trucks, and did both trucks have 4x4? Same cab style and bed length?

Just curious because under load is typically when the EB excells. I towed 9000lbs and got just about 13mpg going 68mph or what about 115kph. A lot may depend on gearing as I had 3.73s and if you went to low gearing that could be the issue.

Again everybodys experiences can be different, depending on what they are using it for and location. You said work truck so Im guessing probably not high gearing among other things, which may not be a fair comparison.

So I don't know the exact specs on the F-150 since it's my provided work truck and I only got to submit my "wish list" and they provided me with the truck.

I Have 3.42's in the Sierra the F-140 has 3,55's so that's not going to be the big difference. Both are crew cab 4x4's with trailering options. I have the Z-71 so I have a firmer suspension - but that has nothing to do with pulling power.

I trailer specs were also slightly out. I typed in the trailer weight - Didn't actually think about the sleds and gear. I took it through the scales on Friday on the way home - Total weight - 4694 lbs

Like I said, the 'work truck' is a nicely equipped XLT with most create comforts. I really hope that my cooled seats and sliding rear window aren't affecting the towing that much. If that's the case, Ford should put them on all of their trucks, because with them, my experience is, I'll take my Sierra.

PS

The Ford has the big gas tank - that must be why it can't keep up.

nards444 · April 29, 2014

So I don't know the exact specs on the F-150 since it's my provided work truck and I only got to submit my "wish list" and they provided me with the truck.

I Have 3.42's in the Sierra the F-140 has 3,55's so that's not going to be the big difference. Both are crew cab 4x4's with trailering options. I have the Z-71 so I have a firmer suspension - but that has nothing to do with pulling power.

I trailer specs were also slightly out. I typed in the trailer weight - Didn't actually think about the sleds and gear. I took it through the scales on Friday on the way home - Total weight - 4694 lbs

Like I said, the 'work truck' is a nicely equipped XLT with most create comforts. I really hope that my cooled seats and sliding rear window aren't affecting the towing that much. If that's the case, Ford should put them on all of their trucks, because with them, my experience is, I'll take my Sierra.

PS

The Ford has the big gas tank - that must be why it can't keep up.

Fair enough. Not every truck works correctly or even works the best in every application. I towed a 4000lb sled trailer loaded with household items with my eco and got 14.5mpg going 70 plus on a long trip. Leads me to wonder if the 3.73 gearing makes or breaks the eco. But I will also say towing with eco did require some learning of the sweet spots and so forth in order to maximize its effectivness. I know some have had the issues with condensation in the intercooler and what not, but in general most reviews I have seen on towing have been the exact opposite of yours.

My 11 had the 26 gallon tank, I wish it had the 36 gallon tank. I wish more half tons would come with bigger tanks for long trips and towing. Buddy had the 36 gallon tank on his, and on highways was getting well over 700 miles a tank which was nice.

irondaddy · April 29, 2014

I will add that, for me (5.3 & 3.08), at 4 months and 3500 miles my mileage is closer to 13.8 MPG combined. I am disappointed with that, but I agree with your other observations. Thank you for your update.

I will add that, for me (5.3 & 3.08), at 4 months and 3500 miles my mileage is closer to 13.8 MPG combined. I am disappointed with that, but I agree with your other observations. Thank you for your update.

4 months out and i get a combined 13 if that.... Gas mileage aside, i love the truck! Its as comfortable as it is beautiful. As for Power its horribly underpowered or so it seems. My buddies F150 leaves me standing at the light. Anyone know of a decent tune out for it?

soltys · April 29, 2014

My 11 had the 26 gallon tank, I wish it had the 36 gallon tank. I wish more half tons would come with bigger tanks for long trips and towing. Buddy had the 36 gallon tank on his, and on highways was getting well over 700 miles a tank which was nice.

Totally agree with that. Sure it hurts a little when you fill up but being able to put on 900+ km on the highway is great. Hell, my car had a 77L tank. I miss going on road trips and only stopping when the car needs to.

I'd even like the 121L take that the Ram has. Of course when you fuel a hemi, you need every drop of it.

nards444 · April 29, 2014

Totally agree with that. Sure it hurts a little when you fill up but being able to put on 900+ km on the highway is great. Hell, my car had a 77L tank. I miss going on road trips and only stopping when the car needs to.

I'd even like the 121L take that the Ram has. Of course when you fuel a hemi, you need every drop of it.

True. My buddy would typically just fill it to about 3/4 normaly then when towing all the way. Also bigger tank means you can save on gas if you find it cheap.

nards444 · June 8, 2014

I have experience in both trucks as well. I like the 5.3L as much as the EB and never had an issue. I live in Ontario and the winter here is bad as well though probably not as bad as Sask. Your trailering experience is far different than what is being experienced by others in the EB forum. 3000 lbs doesn't seem like much and others are pulling twice that with no issues whatsoever. I admit I didn't read every post but the ones I did had good reviews. Check it out.

http://www.f150ecoboost.net/forum/17-f150-ecoboost-towing

I did finally tow that boat with my Silverado. The review is floating around somewhere. The Silverado MPG was equivalent to the EB, but that's where it stops, 13mpg or so. Acceleration was no in the same ball park, the two haul mode sucked, handling was pretty good though. Overall it towed adequately for that type of load and for a half ton, but it did not excel like my old truck did.