PF63-PF48 Interchangability

[CapitalTruck]

I know this has been hashed out ad nauseum, but I emailed ACDelco about this. Here is what they said-

 

In regards to your inquiry about PF63 oil filters, the PF63 is replacing the PF48 therefore any application that calls for a PF48 will now use a PF63. Again thanks for using ACDelco.
If you have any other questions, please contact our experts at the ACDelco support center by dialing 1-800-ACDELCO (223-3526).
Regards,
ACDelco Internet Response Team

Here was my question (hopefully my mistake in the question didn't totally throw the person off making the whole exercise irrelevant).

 

I have been made aware that the PF63 oil filter is the recommended replacement for PF48 oil filters on GM Acadia/Traverse/Enclave, etc. Can I use this PF63 oil filter as a replacement for the PF63 on my 2013 Silverado? Thanks.

[chupe442]

What the.....

[BigBlueLB756]

I would do it with every oil change.

[TooTall1]

I know this has been hashed out ad nauseum, but I emailed ACDelco about this. Here is what they said-

 

In regards to your inquiry about PF63 oil filters, the PF63 is replacing the PF48 therefore any application that calls for a PF48 will now use a PF63. Again thanks for using ACDelco.

If you have any other questions, please contact our experts at the ACDelco support center by dialing 1-800-ACDELCO (223-3526).

Regards,

ACDelco Internet Response Team

 

Here was my question (hopefully my mistake in the question didn't totally throw the person off making the whole exercise irrelevant).

 

I have been made aware that the PF63 oil filter is the recommended replacement for PF48 oil filters on GM Acadia/Traverse/Enclave, etc. Can I use this PF63 oil filter as a replacement for the PF63 on my 2013 Silverado? Thanks.

Yes! You get a little extra filter capacity and lose nothing!

[Black02Silverado]

Interesting since in the other post that they have redesigned the PF48 to a PF48E, one would think that what is the purpose of that if the PF63 is replacing the PF48.

 

Maybe since there is a clearance issue on some vehicles the shorter can will prevent filter damage.

[newdude]

PF63 ONLY replaces the PF48 in front drive V6 applications (3.0 and 3.6 V6) for 2011 model year and newer. PF63 will hang below the oil pan if used on a Gen 4 small block. Same for a car like Camaro. PF63 would be near a ground dragger on a car like that.

[CapitalTruck]

So, a little new info- I emailed Hastings about using their PF63 equivalent (LF641) as opposed to their PF48 equivalent (LF613) and this is what I got: "It is our practice to recommend the use of our products as they are listed by application. Nonetheless, as these filters are made today, the LF641 will offer a slightly better efficiency if used in place of the LF613"

 

They attached this table. Interestingly enough, there is slightly less media area and capacity to the longer filter. However, the efficiency is much higher.

 

I'm going to have to use Hastings filters based on their customer service alone...

 

 

 

 

[CapitalTruck]

Interesting since in the other post that they have redesigned the PF48 to a PF48E, one would think that what is the purpose of that if the PF63 is replacing the PF48.

 

Maybe since there is a clearance issue on some vehicles the shorter can will prevent filter damage.

Agreed. More curiosity is added to things when I called ACDelco today and asked them the same question as I had emailed them and the guy tells me that the "PF 48 is a higher tech filter with more filtering ability than the PF63 which is an 'older design'." So he ended up telling me that the PF48 is suggested. I don't know what to believe. Probably my owners manual in the end, or I'll use that larger Hastings which has a much higher efficiency than their PF48 (and probably ACDelco's PF48) equivalent.

[newdude]

Use a PF48 (or your choice of cross) IMO. Your vehicle's engine was designed and tested on the PF48 by GM.

[TooTall1]

PF63 ONLY replaces the PF48 in front drive V6 applications (3.0 and 3.6 V6) for 2011 model year and newer. PF63 will hang below the oil pan if used on a Gen 4 small block. Same for a car like Camaro. PF63 would be near a ground dragger on a car like that.

The PF63 is only about an inch longer. On a 5.3L silverado the oil pan will contact the ground long before the filter ever will. You get slightly more filter capacity and lose nothing. I've been running it on my Silverado. It actually makes filter changes a little easier with a little more filter body to grab onto.

[Z45]

A PF 63, being longer could be damaged if the suspension bottoms out if it sticks below the pan.

[lowrider]

There is no issue on a truck. I don't know about GM cars. On my Silverado 4.8 it does not come close to hanging below the oil pan.

 

http://www.gm-trucks.com/forums/topic/119855-pf63-oil-filter/

 

Lou

[Gurrzt]

You can substitute the PF63 in lieu of the PF48 on all full size p/u and suv's.

 

I use the PF48, for Wal-Mart has them for $3.48 a filter.

[TooTall1]

This topic keeps appearing periodically and it really amazes me that so many people seem afraid to color outside the lines and try something different. Is it fear? The filter is a recommended replacement. It's about 3/4" - 1" longer. There is no danger of hitting it on anything on a truck. It makes it easier to change the filter at oil changes because there is more filter can to grab onto. You gain more filter media and slightly more oil volume. To all the negative nancys, What are you afraid of?

[Cowpie]

I think that some choose not to "color outside the lines" because they do not see any appreciable benefit that makes going a different route than the OEM designed route. Some have a inflated paranoia gland that causes them to start hyperventilating about warranty issues and such by "coloring outside the lines". Now, that is not necessarily a bad thing, as each person has their own comfort zone.

 

The same argument can be used regarding types of engine oils and the interval to change oils. Each person has a comfort level. It has been shown conclusively, in almost too many test to be totaled up, that modern engine oils can far exceed what most people fee comfortable about going. Yet, many folks get a case of hives over going to the OLM length or longer. Doesn't make them any more right or wrong than anyone else.

 

Now that being said, the extra 3/4 to 1 inch of filter length is not going to make much of a difference in filtration ability or increased oil capacity. Only a couple of ounces of oil. There is more to filtration than more filter media. What is the micron rating? What is the effective flow rate thru the media? What are the conditions the engine is operated? What evidence is there that the stock filter size is not sufficient to do the job, or maybe not even being fully utilized over the oil change interval? You want more oil capacity and more effective filtration, the put on an oil bypass filtration unit. Now we're talking about filtration and increased capacity!

 

That may be why some are not receptive to going to a different filter than the stock size specified. No appreciable benefit to doing so and helps them live within their comfort zone. That does not make them "negative nancys". I own and operate a lot of commercial vehicles and equipment, I deal with this kind of stuff all the time. I have different filters on some commercial stuff than the OEM recommended ones, and even bypass filtration on commercial heavy trucks. But I see no appreciable reason to detour from the stock filter size for my Silverado. Oil holds up nicely over the OLM drain interval, and oil samples look good. I do sampling because I get free oil sample kits and analysis from my oil suppler for my commercial uses.