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R-1234yf Refrigerant Rollout Coming in 2017 Model Year

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MikeNH Senior Enthusiast

MikeNH

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My Jeep has it. AC seems to work fine though I know it's a lot more expensive. You can thank the EPA for it.

Wheelie Enthusiast

Wheelie

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Purpose for this is?

Probably have to have a special permit and license to handle it.

 

wee

Victory14red Enthusiast

Victory14red

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Probably have to have a special permit and license to handle it.

 

wee

You have to have a special permit and licence to handle r-134a already so why would it be any different? It's another licence but it's not going to be any harder to get I wouldn't think.

 

Although HFO-1234yf is classified slightly flammable by ASHRAE, several years of testing by SAE proved that the product could not be ignited under conditions normally experienced by a vehicle. In addition several independent authorities evaluated the safety of the product in vehicles and some of them concluded that it was as safe to use as R-134a. In the atmosphere, HFO-1234yf degrades to trifluoroacetic acid, which is a mildly phytotoxic strong organic acid with no known degradation mechanism in water. In case of fire it releases highly corrosive and toxic hydrogen fluoride and the highly toxic gas carbonyl fluoride.

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Wheelie

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You have to have a special permit and licence to handle r-134a already so why would it be any different? It's another licence but it's not going to be any harder to get I wouldn't think.

 

Although HFO-1234yf is classified slightly flammable by ASHRAE, several years of testing by SAE proved that the product could not be ignited under conditions normally experienced by a vehicle. In addition several independent authorities evaluated the safety of the product in vehicles and some of them concluded that it was as safe to use as R-134a. In the atmosphere, HFO-1234yf degrades to trifluoroacetic acid, which is a mildly phytotoxic strong organic acid with no known degradation mechanism in water. In case of fire it releases highly corrosive and toxic hydrogen fluoride and the highly toxic gas carbonyl fluoride.

Anyone can buy 134a.

 

wee

Victory14red Enthusiast

Victory14red

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Anyone can buy 134a.

 

wee

Anyone can buy small amounts of 134-a

 

I buy it by the truckload of 100lb bottles. Gotta have a license for anything over 1 lb I believe. You also have to have a licence to perform repairs to any auto air conditioning system in a shop (read as "for hire")

Here's the epa website on the matter. It's kinda convoluted but what government text isnt.

https://www.epa.gov/mvac/servicing-motor-vehicle-air-conditioners

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Wheelie

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Anyone can buy small amounts of 134-a

 

I buy it by the truckload of 100lb bottles. Gotta have a license for anything over 1 lb I believe. You also have to have a licence to perform repairs to any auto air conditioning system in a shop (read as "for hire")

Here's the epa website on the matter. It's kinda convoluted but what government text isnt.

https://www.epa.gov/mvac/servicing-motor-vehicle-air-conditioners

 

Anyone can install 134a without a license.

 

wee

Victory14red Enthusiast

Victory14red

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Anyone can buy small amounts of 134-a

 

I buy it by the truckload of 100lb bottles. Gotta have a license for anything over 1 lb I believe. You also have to have a licence to perform repairs to any auto air conditioning system in a shop (read as "for hire")

Here's the epa website on the matter. It's kinda convoluted but what government text isnt.

https://www.epa.gov/mvac/servicing-motor-vehicle-air-conditioners

 

Anyone can install 134a without a license.

 

wee

Correct. As long as they are not being compensated in any way and are not making repairs to they system.

Adamrg Enthusiast

Adamrg

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Correct. As long as they are not being compensated in any way and are not making repairs to they system.

That always gets me. I have to carry certification to perform a/c recovering/recharging, and if I don't or if I am found in violation, the epa can fine my shop and me thousands of dollars.

But any idiot that thinks because he can spell mechanic he are one can go dump his entire system into the atmosphere and go to aurozone and buy the stuff to recharge properly or improperly and skate through the cracks.

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Victory14red

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That always gets me. I have to carry certification to perform a/c recovering/recharging, and if I don't or if I am found in violation, the epa can fine my shop and me thousands of dollars.

But any idiot that thinks because he can spell mechanic he are one can go dump his entire system into the atmosphere and go to aurozone and buy the stuff to recharge properly or improperly and skate through the cracks.

Yep. Cause the epa doesn't care if you fill a leaking system. But God forbid you fix a leak without their approval.

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Wheelie

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Yep. Cause the epa doesn't care if you fill a leaking system. But God forbid you fix a leak without their approval.

Makes cents dont it hehe.

 

wee

BigBrew Enthusiast

BigBrew

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You will know it's leaking TFA has a terrible smell. And corrodes any metal it touches including stainless. We use that and TFA (anhydride) in a reaction and it tears up the stainless dipsticks we charge it with.

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