360 camera

OnTheReel · October 5, 2019

I don’t disagree that it’s really silly to give you all the cameras except the front, and a kick in the nuts to give the 2020 all of the cameras. But wouldn’t this be easily uncovered during a test drive or research before purchase? It’s not like they kept it a big secret unless your dealer just flat out lied to you?

Either way, you should try reaching out to these guys. Maybe they can program for you.

https://www.whiteautoandmedia.com/

I think the big hurdle is that you are going to need a new grill since the camera is a part of that. And since the SLT so far has not had a front camera (but maybe for 2020? Build and price is not up yet)...you’d be looking at either an AT4 or Denali grill.

The other thing I can see being an issue is if there are a limited number of inputs, you will likely have to say goodbye to a trailer camera port to make way for the front. Or upgrade to the 2020 module.

Nevertheless, it all sounds very expensive. Hopefully you can get something to work.

Yoda2 · October 6, 2019

Please don't get me wrong. The dealer didn't out right lie to me .... but he didn't expound on the fact that I would not be getting the forward view camera.

This was not a truck I specially ordered. This specific truck was the GMC Display Vehicle at the NYC Jacob Javits Car Show.

The way it was sold to me is that this truck had almost everything that GMC could throw at it.

I've been on line fishing for an after market supplier who could offer me a switcher that would permit me to add on the front camera.

I have yet to try the one you just suggested and will follow up on this.

I'm not towing a large trailer and would give up that input to gain the forward view, if need be.

I don't think I'd need to change the grill as the Denali and 4AT both have the camera.

There is probably a way to do an aftermarket camera which would just clip or screw t the existing grill.

It's just a mater of time for the after market to catch up.

The 2020 SLT will have it offered and use the same grill I have now.

GMC did a lot of things I'm not happy with, but that's life and there is always the next truck.

The LDC rear view mirror/camera was an option on the 4AT and standard in the Denali .............. but not even an option on the SLT even with the Premium + package ... WHY?

Something I'll be doing as an after market. Since it does not go through the onboard computer or Infotainment I should be able to drop the headliner and install it myself as soon as the parts become available.

The truck is basically blind at night when making turns on back country roads.

It lacks peripheral lighting. Even the fogs don't reach to the side corners close by.

Something I can cure, but I want to do it so that it looks like GM did it.

This goes for backing up as well.

The little LED bulbs in the sealed rear tail lights are all but useless.

I'll post my work around when I complete it.

The cameras, in the forward drive position are supposed to stay active until you reach about 10 miles an hour but mine turn off after 30 seconds.

This renders them all but useless.

Adaptive cruise control is another lacking feature on the 2019's

The cameras are their as you do get a warning when rapidly approaching another vehicle.

There is no reason not to have it.

I hear the 2020's will .......... so says the grape vine.

Bottom line, I think GMC released this truck before it was test proven.

They are using the market as their testing ground.

AND ..... I'm one of the guinea pigs.

Edited October 6, 2019 by Yoda2

OnTheReel · October 6, 2019

I agree, SLT got the shaft this year. When I saw it couldn’t get the tech package I was onto the LTZ. Sucks, but we all have to work within the confines of what mother GM gives us. Or buy something else.

Also a heavy price to pay to be one of the first in town. Waiting for model year two is otherwise always a better, more logical decision.

As far as the camera mirror, there is a thread here with a guy doing the retrofit and thus all the legwork of getting part numbers. Looks to be plug and play.

Definitely worth it, greatly improves rearward vision, especially at night.

Yoda2 · October 6, 2019

11 hours ago, OnTheReel said:

I agree, SLT got the shaft this year. When I saw it couldn’t get the tech package I was onto the LTZ. Sucks, but we all have to work within the confines of what mother GM gives us. Or buy something else.

Also a heavy price to pay to be one of the first in town. Waiting for model year two is otherwise always a better, more logical decision.

As far as the camera mirror, there is a thread here with a guy doing the retrofit and thus all the legwork of getting part numbers. Looks to be plug and play.

Definitely worth it, greatly improves rearward vision, especially at night.

Thanks, I agree about waiting but it wasn't an option for me.

My 2001 Yukon XL was giving up the ghost. I developed a small Evap Leak which would have cost more to fix than the vehicle was worth. Seals on the tank, metal and rubber hoses as well as a rusted out fuel fill. Here in NY ... almost as bad a s California, she couldn't pass inspection. So, with over 170,000 miles I chose to retire her.

My dealer offered me what I felt was a very good deal on what had been the NYC Jacob Javits Auto Show truck and I took it. My bad ... not so bad. the price was right and she is beautiful.

I saw the beginning of the mirror/camera thread and was waiting for the completion with all the part numbers posted.

I guess ... or hope by mid 2020 some of the after market guys and retro fit houses would be offering a complete package at discount the way they have in the past.

Thanks for your response.

Steve

JD214 · October 7, 2019

The reason the front cam is missing in the 360 view in that picture is because you are using it as front view. Its only one camera and can perform one view at a time. So if you have the front view up and 360 the front will black out. If you have it in 360 with the rear view then the front will show. The rear cam has two cameras to accommodate the dual view.

OnTheReel · October 7, 2019

35 minutes ago, JD214 said:

The reason the front cam is missing in the 360 view in that picture is because you are using it as front view. Its only one camera and can perform one view at a time. So if you have the front view up and 360 the front will black out. If you have it in 360 with the rear view then the front will show. The rear cam has two cameras to accommodate the dual view.

He simply does not have a front camera. Two cameras aren’t needed, the back only has one (the other bubble is a light). All of the views are stitched together with software to make the birds eye, but you can pull up the front or rear cameras in the main window and maintain the full 360 view. 360 would be pointless otherwise, if the direction of travel wasn’t able to be seen in both the main window and birds eye simultaneously.

Yoda2 · October 7, 2019

Thanks for stepping in and better explaining my lack of a front camera.

Since I don't plan on towing a large trailer and have no need for the trailer package ( I have it only because it was on an IN STOCK TRUCK )

is there a way to substitute a front camera?

I would really like to have the view you pictured.

I have stone walls on my narrow serpentine driveway and the high hood makes it difficult to navigate..

Thanks again, Steve

OnTheReel · October 7, 2019

Not sure what all it will entail but in addition to the camera, there’s definitely going to be some software needed, which a company like the one I linked may be able to help with. Dealers are hamstrung by only being able to program what the truck has originally so even if you order the parts from them, expect no help on getting it to actually function.

Even if there is a back door way to get the new front camera on screen by simply connecting it to the trailer port, without a reflash, it’s not going to be assigned correctly to fill in the box in the front. So you’d be pulling up the trailer camera icon to see in front of you every time. Seems pointless without the software to actually complete the 360 view, as well as the software that triggers the front camera to come on when pulling into a tight space and after backing out of one.

GTPprix · October 7, 2019

On 10/4/2019 at 11:12 AM, Yoda2 said:

I just wrote to these guys https://www.gm-navigation.com/

They seem to have a lot of packages available for the earlier GM trucks.

I'm hoping they come out with some goodies for the NEW STYLE 2019+ trucks

Photo is is the 8" Infotainment on my 2019 New Style GMC Sierra SLT with the Premium + and X31 packages and the Pro-Tailgate.

You'd think at $62K + you'd get the front camera instead of the teaser black box in front of the truck

I think we can fix this actually, at least the software end of it you'll still need to change out the grille, add the camera and wire it in.

Yoda2 · October 7, 2019

4 hours ago, OnTheReel said:

Not sure what all it will entail but in addition to the camera, there’s definitely going to be some software needed, which a company like the one I linked may be able to help with. Dealers are hamstrung by only being able to program what the truck has originally so even if you order the parts from them, expect no help on getting it to actually function.

Even if there is a back door way to get the new front camera on screen by simply connecting it to the trailer port, without a reflash, it’s not going to be assigned correctly to fill in the box in the front. So you’d be pulling up the trailer camera icon to see in front of you every time. Seems pointless without the software to actually complete the 360 view, as well as the software that triggers the front camera to come on when pulling into a tight space and after backing out of one.

OnTheReel,

You're absolutely right.

I contacted the company you suggested.

There response was ,,,,, nothing yet.

Maybe after the new year.

Oh, and I would have to remove my controller and send it to them for reprogramming, rendering my truck useless until the controller comes back.

That's something I would be unwilling to do.

I'd like to see it handled like the old ABS valve systems where you ordered a rebuilt one and paid a core charge, refundable upon return of the old unit.

Yoda2 · October 7, 2019

4 hours ago, GTPprix said:

I think we can fix this actually, at least the software end of it you'll still need to change out the grille, add the camera and wire it in.

Chris,

Why would I have to change out the grill?

Couldn't I just mount a camera to my existing grill.

GTPprix · October 7, 2019

8 minutes ago, Yoda2 said:

Chris,

Why would I have to change out the grill?

Couldn't I just mount a camera to my existing grill.

Theres no mount on the original grill and the camera needs to be an pretty specific spot for the imaging to work to add the front section. Oh and your truck is not useless till it comes back you just wont have cameras LOL We got along for how many years without them?

Edited October 7, 2019 by GTPprix

Yoda2 · October 8, 2019

This really seems like a no brainer.

I could easily measure the camera placement on a Denali at my dealership and make an aluminum mounting bracket which would join the camera to my existing grill.

Even it it meant using trial and error, it would be much easier and cheaper than buying an new grill to replace a perfectly good brand new unit.

I don't want to be insulting but your response about having to change the grill sounds like an answer I'd expect get from my local dealer looking to sell parts.

He doesn't even think it can be done .... and for sure doesn't want to get involved in it.

I haven't gotten to take my own photos and measurements yet ... these photos are off of the Internet.

You'll note that the AT4 and Sierra grills are almost identical, with the exception of the camera on the AT4

The Denali seems to mount the camera slightly higher but as I said, these are not real measurements.

Fabricating a mounting bracket, if need be, to go between my existing grill and the new camera should be a simple thing.

It's just a mater of reprogramming the computer or using a splitter of some sort.

The 2020 can be equip ed with both the trailering package and 360 vision .... I may just have to wait and see what becomes available.

Edited October 8, 2019 by Yoda2
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Yoda2 · October 8, 2019

Here are better photos depicting the 2019 Sierra SLT, both with and with out the front camera.

You'll note that it is mounted on the grill, straight in line below the letter M in GMC.

There is a slightly raised mounting pad in the area where the camera gets mounted.

It doesn't appear that a new grill would be required to mount a front camera.

Though I didn't try to move the camera eyeball on the dealer's truck, it appears to be adjustable for angle.

However, reprogramming/flashing or replacing the assembly that drives the LCD screen would have to be done.

Steve

Chris Callanan · October 8, 2019

1 hour ago, Yoda2 said:

Here are better photos depicting the 2019 Sierra SLT, both with and with out the front camera.

You'll note that it is mounted on the grill, straight in line below the letter M in GMC.

There is a slightly raised mounting pad in the area where the camera gets mounted.

It doesn't appear that a new grill would be required to mount a front camera.

Though I didn't try to move the camera eyeball on the dealer's truck, it appears to be adjustable for angle.

However, reprogramming/flashing or replacing the assembly that drives the LCD screen would have to be done.

Steve

Are you sure that is an SLT with the front camera mounted? I didn't think there was an option to get a front camera on SLT - only on AT4 or Denali....