RAM sells more than Silverado for 2nd quarter

[mookdoc6]

The F-150 took what seemed like 9 months to regain it's dominance when they unveiled the AL Truck whenever that was?  Let's face it Ram put the money on the inside.  GM put the money everywhere else but the inside.  This way the Full FRAME and CABS are NEW opposed to RAM's HD's.  I have 88K on my 2016 and every electronic and button works the same as when I bought it.  Talk to me in 5-6yrs about your RAM?  I will still be driving a slow, outdated Government Motor's truck that just simply works everyday and costs very little to maintain comparably to RAM,FERD when they get long in the tooth.

[flyingfool]

I've owned 3 Dodge Chrysler products since 2004-2020 by far the Dodge Fiat products suck,  the warrantee service is horrible, the techs that do repairs are incompetant...  the dodge truck owners are new to the brand , and dont know better

[Cpl_Punishment]

17 hours ago, flyingfool said:

I've owned 3 Dodge Chrysler products since 2004-2020 by far the Dodge Fiat products suck,  the warrantee service is horrible, the techs that do repairs are incompetant...  the dodge truck owners are new to the brand , and dont know better

Or they're suckers for punishment. My uncle seems to think it's better to buy a new Ram 3500 every few years and take it to the shop every few months than to spend a few dollars more on initial purchase to get a GM HD and run it for 10 years+.

[RivieraGS]

There is a lot of discussion regarding the 2019 T1 Interiors.  I think the best summation came from a YouTube video by TFL out of Canada.  The guy was saying how great the Ram was, how much better the interior was than the Sierra all while driving the Ram.  Then he drove the Sierra and again saying how great the Ram was until he logged a few miles on the Sierra and stuck his foot in it.  He changed his tune quite a bit.  Both trucks were top of the line and he was really pleased with the performance of the 6.2 and the 10 speed.  His statement that Ram spent their money on the interior and GM spent their money on the drive train was of importance to me.  He did say that Ram interior was more in line with a luxury truck  Remember the T1's have a whole new chassis and suspension compared to the K2's.  And the 6.2 with the 10 speed is a huge improvement over the K2.  I had a 2017 Sierra with the 6.2 and now have a 2019 Sierra with the 6.2.  This truck will run circles around the 2017 and it rides a lot better too.

 

 

[HondaHawkGT]

On 7/2/2019 at 5:52 PM, mawint said:

Engines all have new technology but no noticeable improvements in fuel economy or power, tow capacity is relatively the same as any other brand. What exactly are you getting by buying GM? 

 

No noticeable improvement in fuel economy or power? I easily average 24 mpg cruising the highway and can hit 28 mpg if I try. My 2014 could never do that. Not to mention the addition of sport mode to the 2019's made the truck feel a lot faster. The 2019 Silverado with the 5.3 is as fast as a 2019 Ram with the 5.7 while getting significantly higher fuel economy in real world reports. Most 2019 Ram owners are saying they have a hard time getting more than 20 mpg. 

[HondaHawkGT]

On 7/3/2019 at 9:35 AM, MaverickZ71 said:

You can't use JD Power to prove quality on anything.  Basically, JD is the equivalent of the old Italian mafia.  If you pay, you get protection.  If you don't pay, they cause you problems.  It's all just a big fake cheerleading con job.  JD hits all of the manufacturers up for sponsorship money.  The more they pay, the better their rankings.  After the bankruptcy, GM pumped a bunch of $ to JD Power and their rankings miraculously vaulted up the list.  Funny how that works.  Just remember, when it comes to marketing, there are lies, damned lies, and statistics.  Buyer beware.  

 

So is Toyota pumping tons of money into JD Power to keep Toyota and Lexus brands at the top of their lists every year? If it was as simple as paying for your placement on the list, why wouldn't FCA pay to get all their brands off of the bottom of all the JD Power rankings? They have all kinds of money to do it.

[flyingfool]

i bought the Chevy for the driveline, hence I own a 5.3 with a 6 spd and 3.72 final drive,  has all the options  I need. and I dont want a pretty interior, I drive a truck not a BMW. I have a dog and makes the back carpet look like shit, I wish it came with rubber flooring instead of carpet.  

 

if its anything like the Hemi Challenger than I dont want that high powered POS that has more issues than you can imagine. 

[flyingfool]

8 minutes ago, HondaHawkGT said:

 

So is Toyota pumping tons of money into JD Power to keep Toyota and Lexus brands at the top of their lists every year? If it was as simple as paying for your placement on the list, why wouldn't FCA pay to get all their brands off of the bottom of all the JD Power rankings? They have all kinds of money to do it.

Toyota does do very nice quality components . I would give GM an A for most of thier products , but Toyota and Honda would get an A+ +. they always go above and beyond the competition in the Finer details or fit an finish, but they do lack ruggedness 

[flyingfool]

23 minutes ago, HondaHawkGT said:

 

No noticeable improvement in fuel economy or power? I easily average 24 mpg cruising the highway and can hit 28 mpg if I try. My 2014 could never do that. Not to mention the addition of sport mode to the 2019's made the truck feel a lot faster. The 2019 Silverado with the 5.3 is as fast as a 2019 Ram with the 5.7 while getting significantly higher fuel economy in real world reports. Most 2019 Ram owners are saying they have a hard time getting more than 20 mpg. 

they get shitty MPG cause they all have 20" or larger wagon wheels that weigh 80-90lbs each and they run 87 octane.  that will kill your efficiency for sure! 

 

[Mandalorian]

35 minutes ago, flyingfool said:

Toyota does do very nice quality components . I would give GM an A for most of thier products , but Toyota and Honda would get an A+ +. they always go above and beyond the competition in the Finer details or fit an finish, but they do lack ruggedness 

I don't think the Land Cruiser, 4Runner, Tundra, Tacoma, and Sequoia lack ruggedness. There's a reason those are the go-to vehicles for the UN in war zones. 

[MaverickZ71]

16 hours ago, HondaHawkGT said:

 

So is Toyota pumping tons of money into JD Power to keep Toyota and Lexus brands at the top of their lists every year? If it was as simple as paying for your placement on the list, why wouldn't FCA pay to get all their brands off of the bottom of all the JD Power rankings? They have all kinds of money to do it.

Toyota must be doing something to maintain the teflon coating on their marketing image.  Remember how they never had public recalls or service bulletins until their management got called before Congress?  And magically there were lots of recalls and bulletins that appeared after that.  A friend has had TWO generations of Tacomas recalled because the frames rusted all the way through.  Go figure.  (But then again, half the people in America are registered liberals, which proves it's easy to fool some of the people all of the time.) 

 

FCA doesn't have to worry about JD, mostly because they don't have the stacks of cash that the other manufacturers do.  Fiat sucks and won't sell in America no matter what they do, Chrysler is down to about 2 vehicles for sale pending shuttering, Dodge is surprisingly still doing fine pumping out Hemi coupes and sedans, Ram just passed GM for the Number 2 spot in truck sales, and people are crazy about high-$ Jeeps.  Remember when GM had a chance to buy Jeep cheap and passed it up to create the Hummer division?  In retrospect, that sure was a smart move.  NOT.  Time will tell what happens to FCA since Sergio Marchionne's death (R.I.P.)

[Wiggums]

16 hours ago, flyingfool said:

they get shitty MPG cause they all have 20" or larger wagon wheels that weigh 80-90lbs each and they run 87 octane.  that will kill your efficiency for sure! 

 

I have 20" on my RST and I run 87 octane. Been getting 24 mpg too. And it's a 4x4. Not to mention almost 100 more horsepowers than the 4Runner. I was lucky to get 18 mpg out of the rental 4Runner a few years ago, no idea how the hell EPA got higher numbers. And I'm getting way better than EPA numbers on my 355-hp V8 Silverado.

[flyingfool]

2 hours ago, Wiggums said:

 

I have 20" on my RST and I run 87 octane. Been getting 24 mpg too. And it's a 4x4. Not to mention almost 100 more horsepowers than the 4Runner. I was lucky to get 18 mpg out of the rental 4Runner a few years ago, no idea how the hell EPA got higher numbers. And I'm getting way better than EPA numbers on my 355-hp V8 Silverado.

maybe going down hill sure...what gauge are you reading, you have to go into a sub menu within the mpg gauge and adjust the average milage calculated per fuel burned, " the lower mpg number is the accurate mpg"..  I've found that zeroing the trip meter on every fill , gives the correct mpg .

 

 there is also another mpg readout directly under the trip meter menu, which is more accurate

[Wiggums]

2 minutes ago, flyingfool said:

maybe going down hill sure...what gauge are you reading, you have to go into a sub menu within the mpg gauge and adjust the average milage calculated per fuel burned..  I've found that zeroing the trip meter on every fill , gives the correct mpg, there is also another mpg readout directly under the trip meter menu, which is more accurate

 

I hand calculated it and it was pretty much spot-on, unlike the previous generation K2. Other users reported the same. I went 65 on a very flat surface in the desert and got 28.8 after 50 miles. I am currently averaging at 22 mpg, some days, I get 24. I tried driving really easy on the 4Runner and couldn't get above 18.

Do you own a 2019? The DIC is way better now.

[flyingfool]

22mpg is accurate... 24 mpg your driving atleast 58mph with the wind to your back

 

i find city driving yields 12-13mpg on cheap gas, and 89-91 octaine will bump you 2mpg gain