Coronavirus

diyer2 · May 1, 2020

The answer is here.

Edited May 1, 2020 by diyer2

Grumpy Bear · May 1, 2020

23 hours ago, mikemcclain8 said:

More pointless comparisons:

37,000 deaths per year due to Motor Vehicle Accidents in USA - No Shutdown.

88,000 Alcohol related deaths in the USA - No Shutdown, alcohol still legal.

862,000 deaths due to abortion - No Shutdown and still legal.

So you wish to discount the argument as it does not serve your PURPOSE.

Hey let's use them all for the USA: (annual)

Number of deaths: 2,813,503
Death rate: 863.8 deaths per 100,000 population
Life expectancy: 78.6 years
Infant Mortality rate: 5.79 deaths per 1,000 live births

Here's a point. 100% of all humans die. Some things we have a choice in. Some things we do not. Some things we can protect ourselves from, some things not.

My point had a specific PURPOSE. In rebuttal of the idea that seasonal flu is worse then 2SARS. Point made.

Grumpy Bear · May 1, 2020

18 hours ago, BigBlueLB756 said:

I hope so! There's a vaccine for the flu. We're "naked" with this Wu-Flu.

You know this fells on deaf ears...right?

KARNUT · May 1, 2020

The shut down. 10,000 point drop in the stock market. 30 million plus job loses. Graduations missed? School days missed? Business closed. Tax revenue lost. Deaths to be determined. Misery to be determined. The loss of the freedom to choose. There’s two sides to this event. The biggest loss, our freedom to choose. Many people die for our freedom. The sad truth is. People could have just stayed home. I’m surprised that people were willing to surrender their choice. Sad.

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davester · May 1, 2020

3 hours ago, KARNUT said:

The shut down. 10,000 point drop in the stock market. 30 million plus job loses. Graduations missed? School days missed? Business closed. Tax revenue lost. Deaths to be determined. Misery to be determined. The loss of the freedom to choose. There’s two sides to this event. The biggest loss, our freedom to choose. Many people die for our freedom. The sad truth is. People could have just stayed home. I’m surprised that people were willing to surrender their choice. Sad.

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So, then you've been working full speed ahead, then. Otherwise, you're one of those "people" you are so surprised at.

KARNUT · May 1, 2020

So, then you've been working full speed ahead, then. Otherwise, you're one of those "people" you are so surprised at.

No I’m retired. My family business has been as busy as ever. 30 people no one sick. As soon as the restroom are open from Texas to Myrtle beach I’ll be headed there. It will be my first of 4 for this year, like usual . If the casinos are open in Mississippi they will be my first stop, like usual. My about yearly cruise lines are offering a free trip. I may take them up on it. I’ll take precautions. If I get the bug. At least I was free to choose and able to choose to live not just survive.

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The Zip · May 2, 2020

Pretty sure by now we all know someone who was negatively impacted by this virus. First and second responders will definitely feel the impact of PTSD and will probably get the care they need, but it's the non-responders that won't have the push to get help. Losing your job, savings, late on payments, and most of all a family member without seeing it coming will be very traumatic. One common factor I experienced with everyone I knew with PTSD was trust. If that person does not have a co-worker, friend, or family member they can be open with and trust, they will shut down and spiral until a coping mechanism is put in place. I'm not a medical professional, just personal experience with military co-workers.

Grumpy Bear · May 2, 2020

11 hours ago, KARNUT said:

The shut down. 10,000 point drop in the stock market. 30 million plus job loses. Graduations missed? School days missed? Business closed. Tax revenue lost. Deaths to be determined. Misery to be determined. The loss of the freedom to choose. There’s two sides to this event. The biggest loss, our freedom to choose. Many people die for our freedom. The sad truth is. People could have just stayed home. I’m surprised that people were willing to surrender their choice. Sad.

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There is NOTHING I can loose that I can't get back IF I have my life. Dead people can recover NOTHING.

Somebody said the other day we have never had our world shut down. I disagree. Plague shut the word down multiple times with that was the only tool they had to use. Kids!!! Lord.

I'm having trouble with a world that values MONEY over life. Money is an illusion. Life is real. If you think you can't eat without money...WOW. You live in a world where humans are the only creature to rely on money to feed themselves. Give that half a seconds thought. Look up Ule Gibbons. Then if she were alive I would introduce you to my mother. His female counterpart. If you starve to death in God's world your an idiot.

j-ten-ner · May 2, 2020

8 hours ago, KARNUT said:

I’ll take precautions. If I get the bug. At least I was free to choose and able to choose to live not just survive.

What's wrong with having no choice but to survive?

so long

j-ten-ner

Grumpy Bear · May 2, 2020

A few hundred assembled in Springfield Illinois today to protest the Governors 'Stay at home" extension. A motorcade of a considerable number more circled protesting their stupidity. The Governor said he will defend their right to protest to the end... even when they are wrong.

Illinois is a state that has not yet reached it's peak. Fact is today was the highest confirmed case load to date. Second highest death toll and yet...idiots protest...sue the Governor....act as if their situation is the only one that need be considered. :wtf:

Michigan: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/01/849017021/protestors-swarm-michigan-capitol-amid-showdown-over-governors-emergency-powers

Anyone in that crowd look familiar? Really? You can't see it?

For every hundred braying like mules a hundred thousand are relieved cooler minds prevail.

So what unemployment is close to 29. Your a month into what happened over a decade in the 20's/30's. Get over yourselves.

JimCost2014 · May 2, 2020

10 hours ago, KARNUT said:

If I get the bug. At least I was free to choose and able to choose to live not just survive.

Right on board with that statement, in no way am I a religious man, but if that is what takes me out, then so be it.

I have lived an interesting life to say the least, and am thankful for the time that I have had on this crazy planet, but know that I am just a blip on the radar in the big picture of things.

I work for a food manufacturing company, our product is in no way ever an essential part of life, we are the ones who keep this ball a rolling, and just read a very interesting article about Brazil, and how they have treated this whole Pandemic, no matter what we do, there are going to be outside forces that we just can not control.

KARNUT · May 2, 2020

There is NOTHING I can loose that I can't get back IF I have my life. Dead people can recover NOTHING.

Somebody said the other day we have never had our world shut down. I disagree. Plague shut the word down multiple times with that was the only tool they had to use. Kids!!! Lord.

I'm having trouble with a world that values MONEY over life. Money is an illusion. Life is real. If you think you can't eat without money...WOW. You live in a world where humans are the only creature to rely on money to feed themselves. Give that half a seconds thought. Look up Ule Gibbons. Then if she were alive I would introduce you to my mother. His female counterpart. If you starve to death in God's world your an idiot.

So let’s all go hunting. OOPs we can’t we’re in isolation. You’re a broken record on this one. You can’t seem to realize isolation can cause just as many deaths as an illness. I know I’m wasting my time. But there’s lots of people coming around to the realization we may have done this all wrong.

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KARNUT · May 2, 2020

A few hundred assembled in Springfield Illinois today to protest the Governors 'Stay at home" extension. A motorcade of a considerable number more circled protesting their stupidity. The Governor said he will defend their right to protest to the end... even when they are wrong.

Illinois is a state that has not yet reached it's peak. Fact is today was the highest confirmed case load to date. Second highest death toll and yet...idiots protest...sue the Governor....act as if their situation is the only one that need be considered.

Michigan: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/01/849017021/protestors-swarm-michigan-capitol-amid-showdown-over-governors-emergency-powers

Anyone in that crowd look familiar? Really? You can't see it?

For every hundred braying like mules a hundred thousand are relieved cooler minds prevail.

So what unemployment is close to 29. Your a month into what happened over a decade in the 20's/30's. Get over yourselves.

People who have trouble with an exchange of ideas usually start the name calling. There’s plenty of places in the world one can go where it appears they all have the same ideas.

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KARNUT · May 2, 2020

What's wrong with having no choice but to survive?

so long
j-ten-ner

If people were just happy to survive. We’d probably still be living in caves. Let’s make a wheel. Naa we don’t need it.

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Ithan Henry · May 2, 2020

4 hours ago, KARNUT said:

But there’s lots of people coming around to the realization we may have done this all wrong.

I don't think it's been done all wrong. The travel bans and lockdowns were necessary when the infection and mortality rates were increasing exponentially. They should have started easing the restrictions sooner, but that's happening now. Hindsight Bias is always 20-20.