Coronavirus

Thejet07 · August 11, 2020

I’d love to know the numbers of people who test positive for covid but actually had just a cold.

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Grumpy Bear · August 11, 2020

During the chemical years of my Oil/Gas/Chemical life I lived and worked like a sled dog in one of these 8 to 12 hours a day, five to seven days a week in most inhospitable climates for a decade. These a multiples harder to draw through than a hanky and there is no supplied oxygen. All your air is filtered for a specific contaminate. I'm 67 and smoked for 35 of those years. You MUST qualify to wear one in a hazardous atmosphere and O2 levels are NOT one of the test requirements. Seal is. There were occasions were during very physical duration's I wore an oximeter but never dipped below 98%. Same as not wearing anything.

There a dozens of trades where this type of filter is used when a dust mask is not going to be safe enough and yet ambient oxygen is normal. Tens of thousands of people wear one every day.

I've never seen a more candy bunch in my life.

3 hours ago, flyingfool said:

what does that have to do with anything??? last time i checked doctors aren't the healthiest people. go sit in the lunch room at a hospital when they're on break.. most of them are smoking cigarets and popin pills to handle stress..

Seriously, that's your reply.

I'm slow sometimes but I think I'm catching on that this thread is NOT educational. It is NOT informative. It is NOT even entertaining anymore.

What it is, is BS.

You whine this much over wearing a seat belt? Lap bar at the amusement park? Helmet or hard hat. Safety shoes? Eye protection?

diyer2 · August 11, 2020

Thanks Grumpy. We have a lot in common. I'm soon to be 67. Smoked about 35 years like a dumb ass.

I have had my lungs checked out thoroughly and my doc says you're a lucky guy. Normal condition of a non smoker for my age.

Man up woosies.

I was an industrial spray painter and wore a respirator. Long weeks for over 60 hours. I agree you can tell it's there. In my neck of the woods it's over 9 K feet wearing a mask.

Reminds me of when I was painting offices for a living. The biggest woosies I ever seen. Whined about paint and drywall mud smelling. Really pissed the wife of when I meet her and told her office workers are woosies.

I worked nights a lot because of the whining.

Wearing a mask isn't the end of the world.

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Grumpy Bear · August 11, 2020

I interviewed for a plant managers job once down in Macon Georgia. A plastics recycle plant. Guys on the the shop floor bucketing raw materials on a floor that was 115 F and wringing wet with no fans wearing full face respirators for minimum wage and working 12 hour shifts. There's something to complain about. The lowest rung of the employment ladder does to live what the middle class whines over as a restriction of freedom. Who insisted these low level guys wear that stuff? The whiners. I did not take that job. I wouldn't do that to a dog.

diyer2 · August 11, 2020

I turned down a job(was more money) that required you to paint the inside of big tanks with epoxy paint. No woosies there.

Donstar · August 11, 2020

2 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

I'm slow sometimes but I think I'm catching on that this thread is NOT educational. It is NOT informative. It is NOT even entertaining anymore.

I get it but please keep contributing. Karnut has done a fine job of keeping the coals burning and even he's softened in his views since March, imo!

KARNUT · August 12, 2020

I get it but please keep contributing. Karnut has done a fine job of keeping the coals burning and even he's softened in his views since March, imo! [emoji6]

I read everything that there is to read watch everything there is to watch. The conclusion is nobody knows anything yet about this bug. I did learn more about people. Some people get down right ugly if you don’t agree with them. And Oh Yea. Everything is political. CNN thinks Trump is wrong about everything. Fox News has the highest ratings in prime time period. I still believe herd immunity is the only way. Why? Because that’s what worked before. Hydroxychloroquine works, no it doesn’t. Yes it does, no it doesn’t. Well it’s looking like it does. Not if you watch CNN. Yea, well I still think it’s entertaining.

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flyingfool · August 12, 2020

10 hours ago, Donstar said:

Masks are effective in preventing the spread of this virus especially when used properly. Comments like "Take the mask off" are counterproductive. Justifying "no mask" use by claiming reduced oxygen levels for healthy individuals is simple ignorance. Non-compliance to accepted preventative strategies results in unnecessary illness and death. Waiting for an election as a cure is absolutely bizarre! The constant banter about accuracy of numbers and political party bashing is also not proving useful in combating the virus. I do understand that this thread is fueled by provocative statements and it makes us all think about what we are doing. I always prefer to err on the side of caution and I ask that you do the same. Wearing a proper fitting non-surgical mask whenever social distancing (at least 6') may be unavoidable requires extremely little effort. If you are generally healthy and you find mask wearing uncomfortable then shop for a better fit. I tried several types and brands and found the ones sold at Costco to be the most comfortable and least expensive!

i will have to run a blood oxygen test tommorrow while working, i do a bit of laybor so it should be interesting to see what my finger sensor will yield in terms of % in the blood

Donstar · August 12, 2020

1 hour ago, KARNUT said:

I read everything that there is to read watch everything there is to watch. The conclusion is nobody knows anything yet about this bug. I did learn more about people. Some people get down right ugly if you don’t agree with them. And Oh Yea. Everything is political. CNN thinks Trump is wrong about everything. Fox News has the highest ratings in prime time period. I still believe herd immunity is the only way. Why? Because that’s what worked before. Hydroxychloroquine works, no it doesn’t. Yes it does, no it doesn’t. Well it’s looking like it does. Not if you watch CNN. Yea, well I still think it’s entertaining.

I don't have allegiance to the US president or watch CNN/FOX but I appreciate the information they provide has a significant impact on your opinions. There is plenty of less biased global information on the coronavirus that supports taking precautionary steps that are effective in slowing the spread of this virus. You do practice social distancing, wear a mask when needed and avoid unsafe venues. I respect you for taking these steps despite your beliefs as to the seriousness of this threat. I also believe there is a lot we don't know about this virus which informs me that we should be even more diligent in doing what we know to reduce the spread.

KARNUT · August 12, 2020

I don't have allegiance to the US president or watch CNN/FOX but I appreciate the information they provide has a significant impact on your opinions. There is plenty of less biased global information on the coronavirus that supports taking precautionary steps that are effective in slowing the spread of this virus. You do practice social distancing, wear a mask when needed and avoid unsafe venues. I respect you for taking these steps despite your beliefs as to the seriousness of this threat. I also believe there is a lot we don't know about this virus which informs me that we should be even more diligent in doing what we know to reduce the spread.

I think the original idea of two weeks to slow the spread was a great idea. We don’t want to overwhelm the hospitals. I think it gave rise to dictatorship in some blue states. I think that’s been well documented. Now it’s gotten out of hand. The sky is falling hysteria is trying to get a foothold. I still don’t know anyone who’s gotten it. I have teachers, barbers, real estate agents, equipment dealer- repair shop family members. They don’t either. I believe it’s out there, I take precautions. I’m at my favorite casino on my way to my vacation condo in Myrtle beach. We’re having our usual August gathering with my father in-law. I’m a little nervous for him. We missed the May visit. He wanted us to come regardless. A 89 year old Sergeant Major. He’s seen it all. He wants to see his family. So we’ll be spread out across three condos and visit him outside. He thinks we’re sissy’s. His attitude is if it’s his time he’s ready. About the same attitude as most of the blue hairs I run into at the casinos I visit. Seems to be the theme in my area. I take precautions, not fear.

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Grumpy Bear · August 12, 2020

15 hours ago, Donstar said:

I get it but please keep contributing. Karnut has done a fine job of keeping the coals burning and even he's softened in his views since March, imo!

Thank you for the kind words. Your are an example of rationality and decent manors.

Contrary to the idea that I "get ugly when disagreed with" I don't mind it at all. What I do mind it irrational deportment.

There is nothing new about human interaction with viruses. But you can't tell from the rhetoric of some. As if humanity woke this morning and is experiencing a virus for the first time. I get ugly when people disagree with things like....oh I don't know....gravity perhaps? Or children can not infect adults; is not a disagreement with me, it's a disagreement with the truth. It's absurd and to argue it is irrational. Ditto masks. No matter how many Pod Cast you hear it on.

This tread is comprised of ideas that people NEED/WANT to be true not what is true. People don't WANT to wear a mask so they invent, against all accurate knowing, reasons not to.

Railing against the truth because everyone knows baseball for my 12 year old is more important than his life and the lives of the people he is on contact with. It's like slapping a tiger and expecting not to get bit. Worse, it's trying to convince others the tiger can't bite. What rubbish.

Yes. I won't sanction stupidity and I certainly will not agree with mindless chatter promoting ignorance for the sake of some perception about myself or promotion of illogical behavior. If that makes me disagreeable then let it be so. But if they hang that label on me then don't act like a five year old when I infer a village is missing it's idiot when they are acting like one.

It's not productive, like the half hour I wasted on this reply. Now back to waxing the wife's SUV. Also not productive :crackup:

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Donstar · August 12, 2020

3 hours ago, KARNUT said:

I think the original idea of two weeks to slow the spread was a great idea. We don’t want to overwhelm the hospitals. I think it gave rise to dictatorship in some blue states. I think that’s been well documented. Now it’s gotten out of hand. The sky is falling hysteria is trying to get a foothold. I still don’t know anyone who’s gotten it. I have teachers, barbers, real estate agents, equipment dealer- repair shop family members. They don’t either. I believe it’s out there, I take precautions. I’m at my favorite casino on my way to my vacation condo in Myrtle beach. We’re having our usual August gathering with my father in-law. I’m a little nervous for him. We missed the May visit. He wanted us to come regardless. A 89 year old Sergeant Major. He’s seen it all. He wants to see his family. So we’ll be spread out across three condos and visit him outside. He thinks we’re sissy’s. His attitude is if it’s his time he’s ready. About the same attitude as most of the blue hairs I run into at the casinos I visit. Seems to be the theme in my area. I take precautions, not fear.

I would be frustrated if I was told that this was only going to take two weeks to fix! I knew that contact could take two weeks to show symptoms but we were always aware that the threat would be with us for awhile. It was also very evident that we needed to work together to have an impact on the spread. Fortunately, the steps I have taken have been explained in a logical manner and appeal to my common sense. Managing a health crisis/emergency can bolster or hurt a politicians popularity but the democratic process should prevent dictatorship worries. FWIW Over the years I've said goodbye to all of my "Sergeant-majors". Their bravado about dying is no different than most. They don't want to be a burden but will be happy to stick around as long as they're loved! Enjoy your time with your father-in-law and wear a mask. Be sure to explain that your wearing one to protect him from you! As an aside, I remember picking up an 88 year old friend for a Doctors appointment and I could tell she felt a little insulted that I came wearing a mask. When I explained that it was for her, I'm certain a tear could be seen.

2500W/T · August 12, 2020

My 2 cents.

In my opinion, based on observations, data and information. This bug is a Bio Weapon, but not just a Bio Weapon to kill us all. Is a Binary Bio Weapon. Needs a "Part B" to make it work, if you do not get that part and if you have good health, is like a cold/flu.

For what I have been reading, is laced with SARS and HIV. When is presented to the body, depending how attaches it to the cells to replicate itself, the body launches an attack to kill the bug. The body overreacts and pretty much drowns itself in mucus. Now, if you take lots of Vitamin C, take a lot of sun (Vitamin D) along with Zinc, your body will shake this bug out.

The Flu Shots, have compounds to "enrage" your immune system, so do not take any stupid ass vaccinations and eat healthy. Ditch all junk foods, sugars, corn syrups and such, you will see how not even allergies get you.

As far masks... what load of crap... the analogy is, wearing a Mosquito Net on your face in a Dust Storm. I wear none, period, no question asked. The Virus floating in the air enters your eyes and the few wearing the mask bellow the nose, enter through the nose... so the damage is done. The Mouth Diaper is a total waste of time.

What that I fear the most, are the citizens squealing like pigs ratting you out like delusional "Karens". They are so misserable eating propaganda and jealous of your freedon, they have to bring you down to their misserable shît hole of status they have.

Edited August 12, 2020 by 2500W/T

Grumpy Bear · August 12, 2020

You have just entered

The Twilight Zone!

Donstar · August 12, 2020

1 hour ago, 2500W/T said:

My 2 cents.

I'm inclined to think this is overpriced for the product . However, I don't doubt that your experiences and influences cause you to hold such beliefs. I ask that you research outside of your current sources and see why many don't hold such fears of vaccinations or profess sinister origins of this particular virus. You are correct that improper wearing of masks minimizes effectiveness but many people more informed than you and me attest to the benefits of proper mask usage. They don't hurt and it feels good to be doing something to possibly contribute to fighting this pandemic. Give one a try. They are effortless for most of us to wear. Participating in an effort to slow the spread certainly is more useful than trying to instill fear and despair in others.

Edited August 12, 2020 by Donstar