Covid19 Spare time

customboss · February 24, 2022

9 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

I can understand Putin being pissed, there’re on the border after all.

Not discrediting your observation, making an observation.

Ukraine has NEVER attacked Putin. Its Putin in Crimea, Putin in Ukrainian Donbas taking parts of Ukraine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution threw out a puppet Putin leader showing that Ukraine wanted democracy not puppet state.

Why do we care? Because Putin like Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, takes what they want by force. China and Putin ( note I don't say Russia because their people are subjugated by Putin) are making a move that will make this world really dangerous going forward.

Maybe 1/2 of the conservatives in US are supporting Putin or at least equivocating his actions. Count me in the 50% who think we should be striking Putins out in open forces NOW and jamming their armor up to assist Ukraine in surviving. Article 4 of NATO is activated, Article 5 will have all out war on the oppressors from Putin.

The disinfo works. Equivocation by authoritarians has always taken a strong hold in US. Its 1938-39 except we can see truth and fiction in near real time.

Whether 1939 or now there are those that don't get it until they are ambushed into something even more terrible.

KARNUT · February 24, 2022

11 minutes ago, customboss said:

Not discrediting your observation, making an observation.

Ukraine has NEVER attacked Putin. Its Putin in Crimea, Putin in Ukrainian Donbas taking parts of Ukraine.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution threw out a puppet Putin leader showing that Ukraine wanted democracy not puppet state.

Why do we care? Because Putin like Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, takes what they want by force. China and Putin ( note I don't say Russia because their people are subjugated by Putin) are making a move that will make this world really dangerous going forward.

Maybe 1/2 of the conservatives in US are supporting Putin or at least equivocating his actions. Count me in the 50% who think we should be striking Putins out in open forces NOW and jamming their armor up to assist Ukraine in surviving. Article 4 of NATO is activated, Article 5 will have all out war on the oppressors from Putin.

The disinfo works. Equivocation by authoritarians has always taken a strong hold in US. Its 1938-39 except we can see truth and fiction in near real time.

Whether 1939 or now there are those that don't get it until they are ambushed into something even more terrible.

I have no illusion about Putin. I don’t know of any conservative support for Russia or China. Stopping our oil production last year made Russia a ton of money. Just like lifting tariffs on solar eliminating 320 solar jobs in Atlanta. Last time I checked there was a liberal pulling the strings.

txab · February 25, 2022

Ukraine is not the topic of the thread. Seems like 1 person forgets.

shakenfake · February 25, 2022

18 hours ago, KARNUT said:

I can really see both sides on this. I can’t see the justification with an invasion, but. They got rid of their nukes with a promise of protecting. Everything would have been fine until the talk of them joining nato. I can understand Putin being pissed, there’re on the border after all. Kinda like nukes In Cuba. As far as them being a democracy, well almost. Border protection. We had an invasion of 2 million last year. I’m more concern about that. It’s a mess. We would have had a bigger stick if one. We still exported oil like a year ago. Two the afghan screw up didn’t happen. I hope we last the next three years. China going to move next. What a mess. Not to mention I’m down about 50K in my Ira. I’m glad I’m diversified.

Estonia and Latvia are closer to Moscow than Ukraine. That argument doesn't make sense.

Although I did see on Twitter someone said Putin seems to have Long Covid and that's why he is going nuts lol

Grumpy Bear · February 25, 2022

8 hours ago, txab said:

Ukraine is not the topic of the thread. Seems like 1 person forgets.

So tell me more about these pellet BBQ's

You say made in Ukraine?

Or a state the size of Ukraine maybe.

My memory isn't what it use to be

:rollin:

Donstar · February 25, 2022

I heard someone on the radio yesterday making a plea for everyone to take time to become informed about this event and gave some tips on sorting through information. He wasn't trying to downplay the significance or severity but was stressing the value of being informed. The news yesterday rattled us deeply. Reading, watching, listening and going for a walk with my wife helped settle and organize our thoughts. I hope everyone is prioritizing their time (spare or otherwise) to gather information and to talk about these current events with their families. This venue is not the place to discuss the situation but becoming informed is an excellent use of time.

KARNUT · February 25, 2022

I’m not going to respond to political post on this website going forward I had quit Facebook for obvious reasons. There’s a new start up coming where reasonable voices will not be censored. Probably will be the beginning of the end of Facebook and twitter.

diyer2 · February 25, 2022

Not interested in Ukraine. I can't do anything about it.

txab · February 25, 2022

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I’m not going to respond to political post on this website going forward I had quit Facebook for obvious reasons. There’s a new start up coming where reasonable voices will not be censored. Probably will be the beginning of the end of Facebook and twitter.

Awww Stan. going to take your toys and go home? I simply reminded a few people, that this thread topic was not about Ukraine. Trying not to let it turn into a Ukraine centered thread. Nothing has been removed.

I don't know if the Admins would let a Ukraine thread fly or not. It probably would be pretty political, don't you think?. You think you want want to moderate the mothereffing site after you start a thread on Ukraine and the arguments possibly start, carrying over into other threads? Then that pisses off the members who don't give a ****** about anything but their issue.

Not everyone on this site can carry on a thoughtful conversation without escalation. Certain members can't help but making things personal. Already enough bad blood between certain members on here

Again, you want to be a moderator, keep the peace, catch the spammers/hackers? Let me know and I'll see what I can do Oh, a Mod is volunteering his/her time to keep the site going, no pay, Stan

Edited February 25, 2022 by txab

customboss · February 25, 2022

Guys it's my fault. I am sorry that I care about freedom and democracy.

Ukraine is ONE FIGHT USA ought to be engaged in. As a veteran I am triggered by seeing authoritarians killing freedom loving people.

You all realize that whether it's a countries collective response to authoritarianism or pandemic it affects our livelihoods, our freedom to buy and own a truck, to get fuel, to travel etc.

It's all connected.

I respect all positions but shared mine and apologies for ruining a safe place. I will silence and stifle myself.

KARNUT · February 25, 2022

18 minutes ago, txab said:

Awww Stan. going to take your toys and go home? I simply reminded a few people, that this thread topic was not about Ukraine. Trying not to let it turn into a Ukraine centered thread. Nothing has been removed.

I don't know if the Admins would let a Ukraine thread fly or not. It probably would be pretty political, don't you think?. You think you want want to moderate the mothereffing site after you start a thread on Ukraine and the arguments possibly start, carrying over into other threads? Then that pisses off the members who don't give a ****** about anything but their issue.

Not everyone on this site can carry on a thoughtful conversation without escalation. Certain members can't help but making things personal. Already enough bad blood between certain members on here

Again, you want to be a moderator, keep the peace, catch the spammers/hackers? Let me know and I'll see what I can do Oh, a Mod is volunteering his/her time to keep the site going, no pay, Stan

I ain’t leaving. I just let myself get sucked into politics here. I can’t believe anyone thinks anything about this last year is good. Weakness is why we’re where we are at the moment. One our strengths and bargaining tools was our oil independence. One wrong move we could go nuclear. The censorship on the net and out of control voting is why we are here. Remember my Covid thread I’m being proven right in most cases. I’m certainly not criticizing you and no I don’t want your job. I don’t block anyone, don’t call people names. I certainly don’t get all GRUMPY when I’m disagreed with. So I’ll try to stay awake from politics to many miss informed people who like to scream. Yes I’m a Trump enthusiast. And Rush was right. So I ain’t going and I’ll try not to be political. Can’t wait for my TruthSocial app to fire up.

txab · February 25, 2022

4 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

So tell me more about these pellet BBQ's

You say made in Ukraine?

Or a state the size of Ukraine maybe.

My memory isn't what it use to be

:crackup:

A state the size of Ukraine

Edited February 25, 2022 by txab

JimCost2014 · February 25, 2022

1 hour ago, KARNUT said:

I certainly don’t get all GRUMPY when I’m disagreed with.

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Donstar · February 25, 2022

1 hour ago, customboss said:

I am sorry that I care about freedom and democracy.

I doubt you'll find anyone on this forum who doesn't care about freedom and democracy and I don't believe you're sorry for caring! I sincerely hope everyone is taking time to be informed and are as passionate about the situation in Ukraine as you!