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[TNTSierra]

Will never see me buy a junk Ford. My step dad went through 2. A 2004 and a 2013. Both were cheap, rattle traps. The eco boost was a complete mpg hog. Best he ever got was 18 mpgs with it. I’ve never been impressed with them and GM trucks have treated me pretty well. Still wish I wouldn’t have sold my 1997 c/k 1500 with 260k on it. Ran amazing still. 
 

[Transient]

17 hours ago, Wiggums said:

 

The Silverado High Country with SuperCruise without the hybrid and the 7.2kW generator was still more expensive than the F-150 Lariat with the hybrid and 7.2kW generator with BlueCruise. LOL, and it's a lot quieter than a $3,995 Honda generator which uses twice the gas to power up a house. Then the F-150 dealership offered 3% below MSRP which makes the F-150 even less. Win.

You didn't read a thing, did you?  No cookie for you.  You didn't win anything. 

 

Btw, cheapest 2022 Silverado LTD is $30,400, not $29,300.  What I said about Ford still stands.  But cheap, get cheap.  Every quantifiable thing you've said has been proven false so far.

Edited January 24, 2022 by Transient

[Transient]

7 hours ago, f8l vnm said:

Why even have to go to great lengths to explain yourself. Your happy and your getting a really nice truck, end of story. Not everyone will be on board with your justifications and that's ok . 

And yeah CA leadership sucks. Well just leave at that . 

He's not justifying anything to me.  However, he's also not responding coherently.  See the post of his you quoted.  Nothing in line with what I said.  Go to Ford's website and you'll see you can't get a Lariat with the hybrid powertrain.  I looked before I posted.  Even outlined that in the post he quoted.  Click on the link I posted about the generators.  They are neither Honda, nor gas, and much cheaper than the price he posted.  I wonder if he's crying for attention, and we're giving it to him.

 

Oh, and aren't gas generators illegal to purchase in California now?

[Transient]

8 hours ago, Wiggums said:

8 hours ago, Wiggums said:

 

Don't get me started on Newsom.. now he's proposing $12,000 tax a year so everybody has free insurance. I used to live in England and ****ing hated the NHS with passion.

 

How about EBT WIC cards distributed to all families with school age children that were required to stay home because of the lockdowns.  $1,100 per card to all families, including nonresidents and millionaires.  Keep in mind the schools were still distributing free food during the lockdowns to whomever rolled into the parking lot.  My neighbors said they only had to tell them how many and that's what they'd be given.  I ended up with 2 of the cards in my mailbox (2 of my 3 kids are school age).  Never applied.  Not a resident.  Never went and got the bags of free food.  Have zero need for the assistance.  Your tax dollars needlessly thrown away. 

Edited January 24, 2022 by Transient

[Transient]

40 minutes ago, TNTSilverado said:

Will never see me buy a junk Ford. My step dad went through 2. A 2004 and a 2013. Both were cheap, rattle traps. The eco boost was a complete mpg hog. Best he ever got was 18 mpgs with it. I’ve never been impressed with them and GM trucks have treated me pretty well. Still wish I wouldn’t have sold my 1997 c/k 1500 with 260k on it. Ran amazing still. 
 

I posted the link to the EPA's mpg ratings for the F150 in a previous post.  He wants to complain about purchase prices but doesn't care about ownership costs.  He's not relying on facts.  Only feelings.  Can't reason with somebody like that.

[TNTSierra]

5 minutes ago, Transient said:

How about EBT WIC cards distributed to all families with school age children that were required to stay home because of the lockdowns.  $1,100 per card to all families, including nonresidents and millionaires.  Keep in mind the schools were still distributing free food during the lockdowns to whomever rolled into the parking lot.  My neighbors said they only had to tell them how many and that's what they'd be given.  I ended up with 2 of the cards in my mailbox.  Never applied.  Not a resident.  Never went and got the bags of free food.  Have zero need for the assistance.  Your tax dollars needlessly thrown away. 

You also couldn’t pay me to live in that out of control liberal state. Between the free $h!t that gets handed out about to anyone, the stealing and looting, the out of touch celebrities who think they know what is best for normal people, and the unbelievable laws one has to follow there just makes my head ache thinking off it. There is a reason why people are fleeing that liberal state in herds!!!!

 

Ya my stepdads ecoboost claimed 22 mpgs highway. He never came close with it and that 18 he got was going 65 mph.  When we go to our lake house driving down interstate. He averaged 16.  Even my T1 6.2L running 85 mph on I29 can get 19.5 to 20 depending on wind. My 2018 K2 got over 20 mpgs all day. It’s one reason why he tried out a new Sierra and his 5.3L and 10 spd gets 22-23 all the time. He loves the truck and has stated he was a bone head for not switching earlier.  5 mpgs is huge especially with our wonderful gas prices we have now. 

[Wiggums]

1 hour ago, TNTSilverado said:

Will never see me buy a junk Ford. My step dad went through 2. A 2004 and a 2013. Both were cheap, rattle traps. The eco boost was a complete mpg hog. Best he ever got was 18 mpgs with it. I’ve never been impressed with them and GM trucks have treated me pretty well. Still wish I wouldn’t have sold my 1997 c/k 1500 with 260k on it. Ran amazing still. 
 

 

Everybody's got issues with either one. I had a 2012 F-150 XLT with the V8, it was the best I've ever owned. My 2016 F-150, I learned adding a camper shell really ruins the gas mileage, dropped from 20 to 17, and that was with the V8. In fact, I wish I never traded in the F-150 for Silverado. Everybody's different.

[Transient]

5 hours ago, TNTSilverado said:

You also couldn’t pay me to live in that out of control liberal state. Between the free $h!t that gets handed out about to anyone, the stealing and looting, the out of touch celebrities who think they know what is best for normal people, and the unbelievable laws one has to follow there just makes my head ache thinking off it. There is a reason why people are fleeing that liberal state in herds!!!!

 

Ya my stepdads ecoboost claimed 22 mpgs highway. He never came close with it and that 18 he got was going 65 mph.  When we go to our lake house driving down interstate. He averaged 16.  Even my T1 6.2L running 85 mph on I29 can get 19.5 to 20 depending on wind. My 2018 K2 got over 20 mpgs all day. It’s one reason why he tried out a new Sierra and his 5.3L and 10 spd gets 22-23 all the time. He loves the truck and has stated he was a bone head for not switching earlier.  5 mpgs is huge especially with our wonderful gas prices we have now. 

My choices were California or DC.  It was a decision of how I'd like to be bent over.  I picked California because it was closer to family.  My mother passed in Nov 2019 from cancer and my brother was struggling coping with it.

 

Btw, just picked up my wife at the airport.  She flew back from a business trip in Asia.  One of the communist countries.  The topic came up about how that country is handling COVID.  She said the people in the communist country are more free than the people in California.  They all wear masks, but 6 feet distancing, vaccine passports, restrictions on large gatherings, etc are not in play over there.  California is now more restrictive than communism.  Let that sink in a bit.

Edited January 24, 2022 by Transient

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On 1/22/2022 at 8:34 PM, M1ck3y said:

What comes after self driving cars?  

Hopefully the  flying cars we have been promised for decades ! lol 

[KARNUT]

I was going to list all the trucks I’ve owned since the 70s. It’s easier to just say all the brands except Nissan. In the 90s mostly Rams and Fords for heavy pulling. Going to half ton in the 2000s one Ram one ford several Chevys. My last new one was a 14 GMC. The best GM truck I’ve owned for a smooth quiet ride. As it should be. They should get better over time. None of my family members own a Chevy truck. So I get to ride in all the brands. Chevy is definitely behind with the interior if that matters. Behind in engine choices across the models. I get to ride in a couple raptors. No comparison. I don’t think any truck is far better than the other except the raptors. It always came down to price for me. The deal. I’m driving my favorite. I still can’t believe people who don’t need a truck pay over 40K for one. If a person is that picky there’s plenty of luxury cars in the price range. If you need a truck, fine. I get it. I go to store parking lots watching families stumble out of those things. They can’t park them. It’s amusing. Parking garages in Houston, that’s really fun.

[f8l vnm]

1 hour ago, KARNUT said:

I was going to list all the trucks I’ve owned since the 70s. It’s easier to just say all the brands except Nissan. In the 90s mostly Rams and Fords for heavy pulling. Going to half ton in the 2000s one Ram one ford several Chevys. My last new one was a 14 GMC. The best GM truck I’ve owned for a smooth quiet ride. As it should be. They should get better over time. None of my family members own a Chevy truck. So I get to ride in all the brands. Chevy is definitely behind with the interior if that matters. Behind in engine choices across the models. I get to ride in a couple raptors. No comparison. I don’t think any truck is far better than the other except the raptors. It always came down to price for me. The deal. I’m driving my favorite. I still can’t believe people who don’t need a truck pay over 40K for one. If a person is that picky there’s plenty of luxury cars in the price range. If you need a truck, fine. I get it. I go to store parking lots watching families stumble out of those things. They can’t park them. It’s amusing. Parking garages in Houston, that’s really fun.

Great valid points here. 

[1454]

On 1/22/2022 at 4:26 PM, Wiggums said:

When seat belts came, people bitched about it.
When automatics came, people bitched about it.
When airbags came, people bitched about it.

 

For 2021, it's self-driving cars. I can imagine there'd be times when it's useful.

 

The cheapest Chevrolet Silverado 4×4 with SuperCruise is a High Country that would cost me $68,485 and it forces me to order the 6.2 V8. If I wanted a performance car, I'd get a Challenger. I just want a truck that yields decent gas mileage and the 5.3 has been fantastic, even better than the F-150 with very miniscule power loss which I am perfectly content with. One thing I didn't like was the jittery rear suspension. I didn't replace it because I was not planning on owning it much longer and didn't drive it much. It has only 13,800 kms on it.

 

The cheapest Ford F-150 4×4 with BlueCruise is a Lariat that would cost me $62,310. I could pick the long-bed and it'll be $63,775. Adding in the 7.2kW generator also includes the hybrid engine and the price shows $67,025 or $1,500 less than the Silverado. Can't get that option with the Silverado. My cousin plugged in a blower and got rid of the dust in his F-150 at the ranch, I thought that was nifty.

 

Not only that, a Ford dealership is offering 3% below invoice so that $67,025 truck with an invoice of $62,675 would come down to around $60,800. And since I have owned two F-150 4×4's from Ford, I seem to always get a $3,000 personal cash offer from Ford, so I'll be paying $57,800.

 

I'll still be around, providing input.

Let us know how blue cruise is compared to the 1500 adaptive. I'm definitely curious to hear your thoughts. 

[Wiggums]

2 hours ago, KARNUT said:

I was going to list all the trucks I’ve owned since the 70s.....

 

My old man was a contractor, so we went through trucks like underwear in the 70's. Never a Dodge though, it was always either a Ford or a Chevy. Actually, all were Ford, one Chevy (had a C20 around 1977, his first and last). My mother's family owns a large ranch and I used to drive the different trucks since when I was 14 on the property and it was always an American pick-up truck. When it rained, we'd get the truck muddy then my mother would make us hose it down.

 

I'm by no means a frivolous spender. Like you, it's all about the price. The new Ford is $7,000 below MSRP while the Chevrolet is $5,000 above MSRP. I used to drive luxury cars, but the depreciation sucked so it's been luxury trucks for me since then.

 

Ford is nicer inside, but Chevrolet has a lot more spunk. In terms of reliability, both never left me stranded. Although Chevy twice went limp and displayed error codes. Then again, Ford owners report the same. It really is a toss-up between the two so that brings me back to.. price.

[Wiggums]

33 minutes ago, 1454 said:

Let us know how blue cruise is compared to the 1500 adaptive. I'm definitely curious to hear your thoughts. 

 

Neither one is ready yet so... I had to delay my purchase a little... kinda bummed over it now. However, reviews seem to favor Ford because of the ability to set the speed.. can go 10 below the speed limit or 10 above the speed limit.. while Chevy's just the maximum speed if there are no speed limit signs. It's still very vague.. Chevy's network of highways is twice as extensive though but that's in the rural areas. I'm in urban southern California and both are about the same.

[KARNUT]

22 minutes ago, Wiggums said:

 

My old man was a contractor, so we went through trucks like underwear in the 70's. Never a Dodge though, it was always either a Ford or a Chevy. Actually, all were Ford, one Chevy (had a C20 around 1977, his first and last). My mother's family owns a large ranch and I used to drive the different trucks since when I was 14 on the property and it was always an American pick-up truck. When it rained, we'd get the truck muddy then my mother would make us hose it down.

 

I'm by no means a frivolous spender. Like you, it's all about the price. The new Ford is $7,000 below MSRP while the Chevrolet is $5,000 above MSRP. I used to drive luxury cars, but the depreciation sucked so it's been luxury trucks for me since then.

 

Ford is nicer inside, but Chevrolet has a lot more spunk. In terms of reliability, both never left me stranded. Although Chevy twice went limp and displayed error codes. Then again, Ford owners report the same. It really is a toss-up between the two so that brings me back to.. price.

We were dirt contractors before tree clearing contractors. My father had a 70 cst Chevy with a 402 three on the tree. Hugger orange, a 72 El Camino ss, 74 Ranchero GT. And a 72 Ford one to 4 door with a 390, C-6, 410 rear for his born free slide in camper. Headers high rise 735 Holley. There must have been internal work done he kept to himself. It dusted my 74 barracuda. It was our first pulling truck in Texas when we moved. I use to keep the tractors back on the trailer so I could light the tires. My father saw marks on the tires and gave me that look, you didn’t want that look. He marked the trailer and said front tires here. He didn’t miss much.