OCI, not when but why?

[Atlas]

1 hour ago, KARNUT said:

I don’t understand half the things he posts. I would guess he may be very intelligent. I’m average but very successful. I only post back by experience. So when I question the logic of things sometimes I get in trouble. I admit I lived in a bubble of like minded individuals. I’m still learning the logic of individuals thinking. I finally realized people can rationalize anything. Example. At dinner it was mentioned by my grandson he hit a deer. I asked is your car drivable. He said yes because he was driving his mother’s. But it wasn’t his fault. I said yes it was you should have been driving your own car. Is it fixed I asked. Again he looked surprised. I said you need to get it fixed. You shouldn’t use a car from someone else unless you can fix or replace it. Many people have that logic. Well they have insurance. Shouldn’t work that way. That’s my logic, his was different. 

 

Nobody cares

[Grumpy Bear]

2 hours ago, customboss said:

Can’t fix stupid. Next! 

 

You like stories, right?  

 

When I was filling up Pepper last the fellow at the pump next to me and at least my age was filling up a fairly new T1**. I asked him how he like it. He replied it was his wife's truck and he was just doing her a favor. He's a Dodge guy. 

 

Then with thumbs under suspenders he continues, "It has a quarter million miles on it and runs great!" then adds, "it's a rusted bucket of junk now but hey, Midwest winters and all" 

 

So I inquire, "Does it use oil"? 

 

He looked puzzled and says," It has a quarter million miles on it mister. Of course it uses oil. They all do. Started using before the first hundred thousand". 

 

"This one is just short of 200K and uses none." I offer

 

He takes a long look...."LIAR" 

[Grumpy Bear]

1 hour ago, Grumpy Bear said:

He takes a long look...."LIAR" 

 

Prime example of the difference in 'expectations' various people have for the same situation.

 

He's not just accepting a preventable situation as normal, he's giddy with his normal and willing to do battle to prevent anyone from upsetting that warm fuzzy place he lives in... Bet he's even more forceful if he'd see someone sharing the view it isn't normal with others on some truck forum.  Glad we don't have any of those type around here, eh? 

 

I'm guessing he is one of those fellows that lives by the adage, "I'll believe it when I see it". Wonder how that works for those born blind?  Do their parents not exist? 

[customboss]

57 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

 

Prime example of the difference in 'expectations' various people have for the same situation.

 

He's not just accepting a preventable situation as normal, he's giddy with his normal and willing to do battle to prevent anyone from upsetting that warm fuzzy place he lives in... Bet he's even more forceful if he'd see someone sharing the view it isn't normal with others on some truck forum.  Glad we don't have any of those type around here, eh? 

 

I'm guessing he is one of those fellows that lives by the adage, "I'll believe it when I see it". Wonder how that works for those born blind?  Do their parents not exist? 

It’s the human condition. Our society does not reward thinking outside the societal box. 

[customboss]

Enjoy the B2 speaking outside the box. 

 

 

[KARNUT]

21 minutes ago, customboss said:

It’s the human condition. Our society does not reward thinking outside the societal box. 

So the guy has an old dodge that has lots of mileage and rusty from winter driving. And his wife drives the new vehicle. And that’s bad? What am I missing. 

[Atlas]

3 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

 

You like stories, right?  

 

When I was filling up Pepper last the fellow at the pump next to me and at least my age was filling up a fairly new T1**. I asked him how he like it. He replied it was his wife's truck and he was just doing her a favor. He's a Dodge guy. 

 

Then with thumbs under suspenders he continues, "It has a quarter million miles on it and runs great!" then adds, "it's a rusted bucket of junk now but hey, Midwest winters and all" 

 

So I inquire, "Does it use oil"? 

 

He looked puzzled and says," It has a quarter million miles on it mister. Of course it uses oil. They all do. Started using before the first hundred thousand". 

 

"This one is just short of 200K and uses none." I offer

 

He takes a long look...."LIAR" 

 

I'd be concerned if an engine started using oil before 100k.

 

Then again, I live somewhere where vehicles don't rust out. At all. The chassis and bodies outlive the engines where I'm from.

 

[KARNUT]

7 minutes ago, Atlas said:

 

I'd be concerned if an engine started using oil before 100k.

 

Then again, I live somewhere where vehicles don't rust out. At all. The chassis and bodies outlive the engines where I'm from.

 

Maybe it’s a beater and he’s proud it’s lasted this long. 

[Atlas]

1 hour ago, KARNUT said:

Maybe it’s a beater and he’s proud it’s lasted this long. 

 

Maybe. I'm reading that the T1 is his wife's truck, it started burning oil with less than 100k, and then called someone a liar for saying his engine with almost 200k doesn't burn oil.

 

Dodge guy sounds like a garden variety idiot to me.

[KARNUT]

50 minutes ago, Atlas said:

 

Maybe. I'm reading that the T1 is his wife's truck, it started burning oil with less than 100k, and then called someone a liar for saying his engine with almost 200k doesn't burn oil.

 

Dodge guy sounds like a garden variety idiot to me.

Probably, but it would have been fun proving him wrong.

[Grumpy Bear]

Enough Viscosity

 

I'll get to 'how much is enough' question when I have a bit more time. For now a foundation of the viscosity wear relationship as accepted by the study of the physics, wear model development and private research of commercial interests. This isn't a topic for debate. It is established fact. It is not presented for debate but placed in evidence. 

 

Another wear model to show the effect of viscosity on absolute wear. This one pitting Group IV/V bended 0W16, 0W20 and 0W30 with a mineral 0W20 in reference. And once again confirming the relationship that wear and viscosity are inversely related. 

 

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40544-023-0854-3

 

Add to the other multiple published SAE studies. 

[diyer2]

Just change it more frequently and none if this matters IMO. That's what I do and I have never had an engine problem.

[Atlas]

But people want to "science" just how frequently and data which confirms their desire for changing on a shorter interval. I get that. Also, most people aren't that. Changing oil is a necessary chore they try to remember to do on time as part of owning a wheeled appliance with an internal combustion engine. That's where KISS comes in, chemical engineering doctorate not required. But somewhere along the way people people with those credentials made it "safe" for the general population to follow a basic maintenance schedule without questioning the "why" too much.

 

I also see more answers than questions being asked on here about oil change intervals. I think that's where I get confused. Who is the audience for all this information if it's already been answered, and nobody has asked since then?

 

[KARNUT]

10 minutes ago, Atlas said:

But people want to "science" just how frequently and data which confirms their desire for changing on a shorter interval. I get that. Also, most people aren't that. Changing oil is a necessary chore they try to remember to do on time as part of owning a wheeled appliance with an internal combustion engine. That's where KISS comes in, chemical engineering doctorate not required. But somewhere along the way people people with those credentials made it "safe" for the general population to follow a basic maintenance schedule without questioning the "why" too much.

 

I also see more answers than questions being asked on here about oil change intervals. I think that's where I get confused. Who is the audience for all this information if it's already been answered, and nobody has asked since then?

 

I listen to a show called CarPro. An ex multi dealership owner turned radio personality and advisor. Going on 26 years now. He has multiple dealerships of all brands who supposedly give the best deals with little hassle. I’ve never used the service because I have gotten better deals with my own research. Usually year end, longest on lot and certified pre owned. I’ve bought dozens of trucks for my business and personal use. An interesting call came in from a caller who was complaining about the length of time it took to get parts for her 15 year old low mileage vehicle. They had to go aftermarket to find a replacement part. According to the host automotive manufacturers only have to carry original parts for 10 years. Being most people fall in the 15K a year mileage average for driving. It easy to conclude that’s what they use for suggesting service intervals for the average car owner. And calculation costs of ownership with payments and maintenance. Most people who care are outliers.

[diyer2]

I do 5k oil changes on our 19 Santa Fe and I use Amsoil OE oil. Clean oil is better oil, simple to me. this is our daily driver.