OCI, not when but why?

Atlas · November 28, 2025

42 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

I listen to a show called CarPro. An ex multi dealership owner turned radio personality and advisor. Going on 26 years now. He has multiple dealerships of all brands who supposedly give the best deals with little hassle. I’ve never used the service because I have gotten better deals with my own research. Usually year end, longest on lot and certified pre owned. I’ve bought dozens of trucks for my business and personal use. An interesting call came in from a caller who was complaining about the length of time it took to get parts for her 15 year old low mileage vehicle. They had to go aftermarket to find a replacement part. According to the host automotive manufacturers only have to carry original parts for 10 years. Being most people fall in the 15K a year mileage average for driving. It easy to conclude that’s what they use for suggesting service intervals for the average car owner. And calculation costs of ownership with payments and maintenance. Most people who care are outliers.

There's actually no US law or regulation that requires automakers to supply OE parts for 10 years.

customboss · November 28, 2025

14 minutes ago, Atlas said:

There's actually no US law or regulation that requires automakers to supply OE parts for 10 years.

Only for JEWISH SPACE LAZERS.

KARNUT · November 28, 2025

22 minutes ago, Atlas said:

There's actually no US law or regulation that requires automakers to supply OE parts for 10 years.

That was according to a ex multiple dealership owner. One of which was the highest selling ford dealership in the US. As retired heavy equipment dealership owner and an original equipment manufacturer. And OEM with several manufacturers. I remember that being a rule in that industry until I retired. Maybe things have changed.

Atlas · November 28, 2025

22 minutes ago, customboss said:

Only for JEWISH SPACE LAZERS.

That's why a bunch of GM vehicles shipped without heated seats, DFM, and other electronics back in the covid era, don'tcha know. That and all the 5G stuff they were doing back then...

Working on this old '94 Camaro, OE parts are still available even though they've been long discontinued. Some parts are still common to other newer vehicles and can be purchased through AC Delco. There's still lots of NOS/New old stock floating around on the internet, eBay, craigslist. And it's still relatively simple, although, getting harder, to find OE recycled parts. The cars of that era that show up in salvage yards typically aren't well kept. The few good examples that do end up there via insurance total are typically picked over very quickly.

That's all to say that most "OE" parts aren't hard to find--if one is willing to hunt a little bit.

10 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

That was according to a ex multiple dealership owner. One of which was the highest selling ford dealership in the US. As retired heavy equipment dealership owner and an original equipment manufacturer. And OEM with several manufacturers. I remember that being a rule in that industry until I retired. Maybe things have changed.

Well, according to US law, there isn't a requirement. Some OE's may choose to only manufacture parts for some models for only 10 years based on demand but that's a business decision which is different from a legal requirement.

Edited November 28, 2025 by Atlas

Grumpy Bear · November 29, 2025

8 hours ago, diyer2 said:

Just change it more frequently and none if this matters IMO.

This literally depends on your goal. Pretty sure I said this before. If your method is giving you the results you like then keep doing what you're doing. I also invited everyone that was already happy to discontinue reading and replying. Please...accept my warm invitation.

So you don't like chocolate ice cream and now you want the world to stop making chocolate ice cream. Everyone should quit talking about chocolate ice cream. Punish or humiliate those that do like chocolate ice cream and deny others who would like to try chocolate ice cream. :dunno: I get it. You don't like chocolate ice cream. So quit coming to the chocolate ice cream factory. :crackup:

Atlas · November 29, 2025

I don't think anyone said the world needs to stop making chocolate ice cream or that anyone should quit talking about it. I think some of us are curious why so much of it is being made when nobody's here is really eating it.

Grumpy Bear · November 29, 2025

1 hour ago, Atlas said:

I don't think anyone said the world needs to stop making chocolate ice cream or that anyone should quit talking about it. I think some of us are curious why so much of it is being made when nobody's here is really eating it.

Saw this on the Forum's page under post and LMAO. :rollin:

See the bold red in the quote? That should read, "No one is publicly eating chocolate ice cream". Why?

People have stopped engaging PUBLICLY. Privately? I'm more than busy enough answering request and questions on this very topic. PM's and Emails from quite a few members here. More from other sites. They stopped because of a few selfish members :bs: . Didn't stop eating chocolate ice cream, just stopped doing it in public.

I continue publicly regardless. Let them know someone will engage without judgment. A BS free zone. It's why kids ask their friends and not their parents. Why a guy talks to his bartender and not his wife. The wife talks to her beautician and not her husband. No one is afraid of you and your posse. They just don't want to engage any of you. Why would they?

Don't mistake this for engagement or getting out of the Ignore box. Don't expect an exchange or further reply.

txab · November 29, 2025

16 hours ago, diyer2 said:

I do 5k oil changes on our 19 Santa Fe and I use Amsoil OE oil. Clean oil is better oil, simple to me. this is our daily driver.

How long does it take to rack up 5k miles?

Atlas · November 29, 2025

8 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Saw this on the Forum's page under post and LMAO.

See the bold red in the quote? That should read, "No one is publicly eating chocolate ice cream". Why?

People have stopped engaging PUBLICLY. Privately? I'm more than busy enough answering request and questions on this very topic. PM's and Emails from quite a few members here. More from other sites. They stopped because of a few selfish members . Didn't stop eating chocolate ice cream, just stopped doing it in public.

I continue publicly regardless. Let them know someone will engage without judgment. A BS free zone. It's why kids ask their friends and not their parents. Why a guy talks to his bartender and not his wife. The wife talks to her beautician and not her husband. No one is afraid of you and your posse. They just don't want to engage any of you. Why would they?

Don't mistake this for engagement or getting out of the Ignore box. Don't expect an exchange or further reply.

Truly, I'm glad that private conversations are keeping you entertained. But one wonders about the accuracy of that claim when you continue broadcasting from your soapbox unprompted and publicly, again, when nobody seems to be asking you the questions to which you direct your replies. It kinda, sorta, looks like an old man shouting into the wind, if you know what I mean.

Go on. Why should we be worried about HTHS?

Can I use 5w30 in my lawnmower even though it calls for 10w30? What if I only mow in the summertime?

Can I put synthetic in an older engine that existed before synthetics were widely used?

Why did Derek from Vice Grip put Rotella 15w40 in everything--except now he uses Valvoline of a lighter weight for most of his wrecks. Why?

Edited November 29, 2025 by Atlas

Grumpy Bear · November 29, 2025

3 hours ago, txab said:

How long does it take to rack up 5k miles?

I know you're asking dyier2 but it would be interesting to know this basic habit from as many as would like to contribute. How long matters, right?

5K the marker it takes me roughly 60 days averaging 84 miles per day. 37,710 miles in 448 days.

Much different service from someone that does 5 miles twice a day back and forth to work or school. He takes 500 days and never heats their oil fully.

How about you. How long does it take you?

diyer2 · November 29, 2025

Looking at oil change records, 3-6 months for 5k. Doctors appointments area big factor.+

KARNUT · November 29, 2025

1 hour ago, Atlas said:

Truly, I'm glad that private conversations are keeping you entertained. But one wonders about the accuracy of that claim when you continue broadcasting from your soapbox unprompted and publicly, again, when nobody seems to be asking you the questions to which you direct your replies. It kinda, sorta, looks like an old man shouting into the wind, if you know what I mean.

Go on. Why should we be worried about HTHS?

Can I use 5w30 in my lawnmower even though it calls for 10w30? What if I only mow in the summertime?

Can I put synthetic in an older engine that existed before synthetics were widely used?

Why did Derek from Vice Grip put Rotella 15w40 in everything--except now he uses Valvoline of a lighter weight for most of his wrecks. Why?

They pay him

txab · November 29, 2025

It takes a year to reach 5 or 6k on any of my 3 vehicles I drive. 3 of them, only one of me

KARNUT · November 29, 2025

2001 Acura Intagra R driven once a month 18 miles 31K miles Honda oil once a year. 2010 Ridgeline 169K miles 5K oil changes. Honda, valvoline, mobile one, Amsoil about every 6 months. 2011 Genesis 152K Hyundai, valvoline, mobile one, Amsoil, about every 8 months. Odyssey same oil as the Ridgeline but about every 4 months. Target for the three drivers 200K miles. Why? Simple. The maintenance cost that millage will be triggered at 200K. For a few dollars more. I can replace with a newer more reliable replacement. One exception, maybe. Wife says the Genesis stays forever! Tires, brakes, timing belt, etc. At that time the dice rolls for engine, transmission, and accessories and don’t forget shocks and front end parts. Most well cared vehicles high mileage are worth at least 5K to 10K. My research has shown you can still buy CPO for under 20K. I rather chop some years off for newer with the difference.

Edited November 29, 2025 by KARNUT

Grumpy Bear · November 29, 2025

Actuaries Drive Oil & Maintenance Interval Requirements.

Not Engineers

https://www.soa.org/future-actuaries/precandidate/what/

https://www.casact.org/sites/default/files/old/forum_07spforum_07sp35.pdf

https://www.actomate.ai/post/how-actuaries-drive-success-in-the-automotive-industry

Warranty Evolution (150K in the title is highly misleading if you read the article)

https://www.capitalone.com/cars/learn/finding-the-right-car/the-evolution-of-the-car-warranty/2759

Engineers provide DATA the Actuary uses. Research provides DATA the actuary uses. Markets and Regulation drive the boundaries this is all hemmed in by. The weakest part of this chain is the Market and it is Marketing's job to shape those markets.

Finish the Sentence!

When a manufacture tells you "You don't need more than 2.6 HTHS......"

What he means is, "You don't need more than 2.6 HTHS to get past warranty and absolve us of liability".

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