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VMax2007 · May 22, 2008

Thanks MS3 and Cueva. So I take it in and point out the orange peel, then what? Fight for a repaint? The orange peel bother me, but I don't know if it bothers me that much.

If its Orange peel sometimes they don't need to do a repaint,They can do what I did on my '94. They "scuff-n-buff" it...This is where they take ultra-fine grit sandpaper (2000,2500,etc.) and lightly sand down the high spots,then buff the paint out.

I would think this would make the paint too thin and even take it down to the primer in areas. Also, you would definitely need to re-clearcoat it.

MS3DALE · May 22, 2008

That sounds sketchy. I don't even like drying off my truck after a hand wash. How is the finish after a scuff and buff?

Nope,Its not bad at all,Any good body/paint/detail guy can do it (Hell if I can do it..it must not be too bad to do!!)

They key is not taking a lot of the clearcoat off,you just "scuff" enough of the paint off to "even-it" out.

BTW...I should also mention you wetsand the paint,You want to make sure you use A LOT of water and keep the sandpaper wet and clean.

sam5828 · May 22, 2008

That sounds sketchy. I don't even like drying off my truck after a hand wash. How is the finish after a scuff and buff?

It is called wet sanding. and as long as there is enough clear it is awesome if done right...... i did it to a z28 i had one time had the paint so smooth i couldn't even keep it wet to wash it....... Just make sure ya use a block and not your hand otherwise the clear will have bumps in it from your fingers...... and keep it wet

MS3DALE · May 22, 2008

Thanks MS3 and Cueva. So I take it in and point out the orange peel, then what? Fight for a repaint? The orange peel bother me, but I don't know if it bothers me that much.

If its Orange peel sometimes they don't need to do a repaint,They can do what I did on my '94. They "scuff-n-buff" it...This is where they take ultra-fine grit sandpaper (2000,2500,etc.) and lightly sand down the high spots,then buff the paint out.

I would think this would make the paint too thin and even take it down to the primer in areas. Also, you would definitely need to re-clearcoat it.

No,Not really on the thin paint...And no re-clearcoat needed,"IF" its done right.

Again...you just "scuff" the clearcoat,you don't sand one spot until you go through it!

MS3DALE · May 22, 2008

Can someone check mine: 1GCHK29K28E160702

Thanks.

Yep,Its involved.

VMax2007 · May 22, 2008

No,Not really on the thin paint...And no re-clearcoat needed,"IF" its done right.
Again...you just "scuff" the clearcoat,you don't sand one spot until you go through it!

OK, but if the purpose is to remove the orange peel, isn't that in the base coat? Also, I would think the orange peel would be deeper than the thickness of the clearcoat. I guess I don't understand how you can remove orange peel by wetsanding without removing all of the clearcoat which is only about .002" thick??? Wouldn't that be like trying to sand a mountain smooth without removing the snow?

TexasAl · May 22, 2008

Wow, very interesting post. I did notice some orange peel on my truck, but it hasn't bothered me enough to go to the dealer. Could you run my vin# 3GCEC13J88G192752 . Will the orange peel get worse, or will the lifespan of the paint be shortened if the orange peel is not taken care of? Thanks for taking the time to run our VIN's guys. We really appreciate it.

-Al

MS3DALE · May 22, 2008

No,Not really on the thin paint...And no re-clearcoat needed,"IF" its done right.
Again...you just "scuff" the clearcoat,you don't sand one spot until you go through it!

OK, but if the purpose is to remove the orange peel, isn't that in the base coat? Also, I would think the orange peel would be deeper than the thickness of the clearcoat. I guess I don't understand how you can remove orange peel by wetsanding without removing all of the clearcoat which is only about .002" thick??? Wouldn't that be like trying to sand a mountain smooth without removing the snow?

Well....It might be in the basecoat but it also shows through the clearcoat.

Trust me...It works! Have I EVER lied to you Jeff

MS3DALE · May 22, 2008

BTW...Count'em Jeff.....SIX wrenches

MS3DALE · May 22, 2008

Wow, very interesting post. I did notice some orange peel on my truck, but it hasn't bothered me enough to go to the dealer. Could you run my vin# 3GCEC13J88G192752 . Will the orange peel get worse, or will the lifespan of the paint be shortened if the orange peel is not taken care of? Thanks for taking the time to run our VIN's guys. We really appreciate it.

-Al

Yep,Yours is involved.

No,The Orange peel will not get worse,or the lifespan of the paint will not be shortened if it is not taken care of.

sam5828 · May 22, 2008

No,Not really on the thin paint...And no re-clearcoat needed,"IF" its done right.
Again...you just "scuff" the clearcoat,you don't sand one spot until you go through it!

OK, but if the purpose is to remove the orange peel, isn't that in the base coat? Also, I would think the orange peel would be deeper than the thickness of the clearcoat. I guess I don't understand how you can remove orange peel by wetsanding without removing all of the clearcoat which is only about .002" thick??? Wouldn't that be like trying to sand a mountain smooth without removing the snow?

Orange peel is a ripple in the clear coat which results in a dull finish in the paint.

Orange peel is the result of an applied coat of paint (basecoat, clearcoat, or both) that doesn't flow out or level fully. Keeping in mind that paint is basically applied as a liquified plastic, the cause of peel is that the paint either doesn't stay liquid long enough to completely flow or the material is to viscous to allow it to flow out. In either case, the paint ceases to flow before the surface is completely level. The result of this is a lumpy orlopey surface that resembles the peel of an orange, hence "orange peel. So, to eliminiate this problem, you lower the viscosity or simply keep the paint liquid longer, right? This may not be a s easy as it seems. Solvent-borne paints are categorized by the ratio of paint solids (resins, pigments, binders, etc.) to liquids (solvents).

MS3DALE · May 22, 2008

Good explanation Scott!

VMax2007 · May 22, 2008

BTW...Count'em Jeff.....SIX wrenches

You bastard!!!!

MS3DALE · May 22, 2008

BTW...Count'em Jeff.....SIX wrenches

You bastard!!!!

Hey...Thanks!! I try

VMax2007 · May 22, 2008

Orange peel is a ripple in the clear coat which results in a dull finish in the paint.

Orange peel is the result of an applied coat of paint (basecoat, clearcoat, or both) that doesn't flow out or level fully. Keeping in mind that paint is basically applied as a liquified plastic, the cause of peel is that the paint either doesn't stay liquid long enough to completely flow or the material is to viscous to allow it to flow out. In either case, the paint ceases to flow before the surface is completely level. The result of this is a lumpy orlopey surface that resembles the peel of an orange, hence "orange peel. So, to eliminiate this problem, you lower the viscosity or simply keep the paint liquid longer, right? This may not be a s easy as it seems. Solvent-borne paints are categorized by the ratio of paint solids (resins, pigments, binders, etc.) to liquids (solvents).

yeah, good explanation, but it still doesn't explain to me how you can eliminate it with wetsanding when the non-uniformity (depth of the "peel", or the height of the bumps...you get the idea) is greater than the thickness of the clearcoat. Still seems like trying to sand a hill without removing the grass.

Not saying you guys are wrong as I am no paint expert, I am just not understanding it???