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nards444 Senior Enthusiast

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I honestly don't expect to see anything really stellar for the F150 mpg with the 2.7L. And the 700 lb drop in weight kind of skewed. Not every model will be getting a 700 lb drop in weight. That's only the Crew cab models equipped with a 2.7L, which was compared to a 2014 model with a 5.0L. Bottom line is the Ford trucks still weigh a lot. Its a truck. And while they might have improved aerodynamics, they still will be bricks in the wind at speed.

 

I think the 2.7L will be rated to do 18 city - 24 highway in a 2wd crew cab configuration. Which is comparable to a silverado 4.3L crew cab 2wd silverado. The 5.0 and the 3.5L eco might get some slight bumps, but I would guess 1 mpg better for those motors.

be interesting to see what happens. whack 700lbs and throw a fuel efficient engine it, it could be substanial. But like you I dont expect more than 1-2mpg increase. WHich averaged over 10k miles a year I think 1mpg better equals like 150 bucks

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'01LS1 Senior Enthusiast

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What I think you will see and what GM will have to do is add a turbo gas engine. I also think you will see the 5.3 go away as the new firebird thats coming out next year is suppose to come with a 5.0l 420hp/390 torque engine. So between that 5.0, an eco gas engine, and current line up is what I think you will see minus the 6.2l. I think if we had to guess, I think you could see the 5.0 as the big dog as it produces just as much power as the 6.2 but probably is more efficient. GM then may stick with their 4.3l and then add an eco gas engine to replace the 5.3l.

 

Firebird? Huh? Are you talking Camaro? The Camaro rumor around the forums is a LT1 variant derived from the C7 with the 8 speed auto. But nothing official as far as I have read.

crushNchowda Senior Enthusiast

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If this aluminum body works for Ford I am guessing GM will do it as well ? I read some rumors that GM is looking to do a silverado redesign in 2017 or 2018 with a aluminum body ?? I don't think they can wait their normal 7 years anymore . IMO

GM is being conservative because - if you all haven't forgotten - they're a car company that had 1 foot in the grave and a massive government bailout only a few years ago.

 

I work in the metals recycling/al manufacturing industry- I've toured the new plants that will produce automotive grade sheet/coil AL for the new ford lineup - this is a HUGE undertaking and expense. These are entirely different alloys AL manufacturers/ford are coming up with, and they require additional speciality processing (such as annealing) that add costs and require additional equipment the al manufacturers wouldn't otherwise need if they stuck to their current product lines. In all cases they're requiring partial (or full) investment from the auto manufacturer before going forward- why wouldn't they? If the truck doesn't work out and al proves to be a poor choice, then they're stuck with millions of dollars worth of useless equipment and production capacity.

 

So gm is wise to wait to see what happens, and a big reason is that the initial cost of investment is massive- not only would they need to re-engineer the entire vehicle to work around the lighter weight, they would have to invest millions in new production/pressing/painting equipment and pure square footage AND would have to partner up with an AL producer and invest more funds on their behalf.

 

I would wait and see too- then perfect what ford messes up.

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G.M. doesn't need to follow ford or Chrysler.Why do you need 400-500 horsepower out of a truck?It is not a diesel used for towing if you want that then buy a mustang or Camaro or challenger.

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becker87 Senior Enthusiast

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G.M. doesn't need to follow ford or Chrysler.Why do you need 400-500 horsepower out of a truck?It is not a diesel used for towing if you want that then buy a mustang or Camaro or challenger.

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Not everybody can afford a second car.

Big Whiskey Senior Enthusiast

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G.M. doesn't need to follow ford or Chrysler.Why do you need 400-500 horsepower out of a truck?It is not a diesel used for towing if you want that then buy a mustang or Camaro or challenger.

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Because I'm a guy....and I like trucks, and I like horsepower......but unfortunately, I also like other guy stuff like campers, 4-wheelers, guns, and beer....so I can only afford to buy, insure, and maintain one vehicle....and that comes down to a tough, powerful truck that can do it all...while also being a decent daily driver. :driving:

j-ten-ner Senior Enthusiast

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Because I'm a guy....and I like trucks, and I like horsepower......but unfortunately, I also like other guy stuff like campers, 4-wheelers, guns, and beer....so I can only afford to buy, insure, and maintain one vehicle....and that comes down to a tough, powerful truck that can do it all...while also being a decent daily driver. :driving:

 

I like your statement.

No BS about not being able to make it onto the highway for the lack of power..

I would questioning my driving skills if I couldn't make it up the on ramp wit 300+HP.

 

so long

j-ten-ner

nards444 Senior Enthusiast

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Firebird? Huh? Are you talking Camaro? The Camaro rumor around the forums is a LT1 variant derived from the C7 with the 8 speed auto. But nothing official as far as I have read.

http://2015reviewcars.com/pontiac-trans-2015-specs-release-date/

 

http://gmpowerhouses.blogspot.com/2013/06/brand-new-trans-am-firebird-speculations.html

 

 

Still a lot of conjecture, but I think theres enough smoke around this to maybe see some fire. Only issue is regardless of where its made or what dealer carries this, if it doesnt have a pontiac badge on it GM will not win with this.

 

 

I had an orginal 2010 Camaro SS ordered it before they were out. Nice car. One issue I see with Camaro is their going push their price point way to high for them and again well see them come on hard times. The ZL1 and Z28 are nice and all, but whos going to pay 60 plus for a camaro? As it is the SS is a 35k car, get that baby up over 40, I think you see less and less on the road

'01LS1 Senior Enthusiast

'01LS1

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http://2015reviewcars.com/pontiac-trans-2015-specs-release-date/

 

http://gmpowerhouses.blogspot.com/2013/06/brand-new-trans-am-firebird-speculations.html

 

 

Still a lot of conjecture, but I think theres enough smoke around this to maybe see some fire. Only issue is regardless of where its made or what dealer carries this, if it doesnt have a pontiac badge on it GM will not win with this.

 

 

I had an orginal 2010 Camaro SS ordered it before they were out. Nice car. One issue I see with Camaro is their going push their price point way to high for them and again well see them come on hard times. The ZL1 and Z28 are nice and all, but whos going to pay 60 plus for a camaro? As it is the SS is a 35k car, get that baby up over 40, I think you see less and less on the road

 

 

A lot of speculation there, but not thinking there are any plans for a Pontiac variant anywhere within GM. Aftermarket is the only hope for conversions.

With the amount of money GM just sank into completely redesigning the 5.3L, not thinking it is going anywhere anytime soon. Would guess it will still be

with us for the T what ever series in 2018/2019.

 

As for the Camaro price point. $40K plus is insane for a 2 door coupe, but was in Strongsville, OH Chevrolet dealership & this was on the showroom floor.

No photos on their site, but coupes with the massive wheel option are pushing $50 grand sticker prices.

 

NEW 2014 CHEVROLET CAMARO 2DR CPE SS W/2SS

Destination Charge $995.00

Installed Options

  • Power sunroof $900.00
  • Silver Rally Stripe Package $470.00
  • 6-speed automatic transmission $1,185.00
  • 20" x 8" front and 20" x 9" rear polished aluminum wheels

     

    On LT models, this feature requires the available RS Package.

    $900.00
  • 21" painted chrome, multi-spoke aluminum wheels $6,365.00
  • Chevrolet MyLink®1 with navigation $795.00
  • RS Package $1,350.00
Total Options $11,965.00
MSRP* $50,115.00
MikeNH Senior Enthusiast

MikeNH

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In terms of weight, also reality the Fords have had a weight problem since like the 2004 redesign. 700 pound weight loss is maybe 300 less than a similar GM.

nards444 Senior Enthusiast

nards444

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A lot of speculation there, but not thinking there are any plans for a Pontiac variant anywhere within GM. Aftermarket is the only hope for conversions.

With the amount of money GM just sank into completely redesigning the 5.3L, not thinking it is going anywhere anytime soon. Would guess it will still be

with us for the T what ever series in 2018/2019.

 

As for the Camaro price point. $40K plus is insane for a 2 door coupe, but was in Strongsville, OH Chevrolet dealership & this was on the showroom floor.

No photos on their site, but coupes with the massive wheel option are pushing $50 grand sticker prices.

 

NEW 2014 CHEVROLET CAMARO 2DR CPE SS W/2SS

Destination Charge $995.00

Installed Options

  • Power sunroof $900.00
  • Silver Rally Stripe Package $470.00
  • 6-speed automatic transmission $1,185.00
  • 20" x 8" front and 20" x 9" rear polished aluminum wheels

     

    On LT models, this feature requires the available RS Package.

    $900.00
  • 21" painted chrome, multi-spoke aluminum wheels $6,365.00
  • Chevrolet MyLink®1 with navigation $795.00
  • RS Package $1,350.00
Total Options $11,965.00
MSRP* $50,115.00

 

Who adds a 6k rim package from the factory. But none the less yeah a 40k camaro is nuts. And I doubt the current success is going to stay with pricing. Camaro is really illogical car to buy. You cant do nothing with it.

 

Id put no guarentee on it, but I would kill the notion that a factor firebird comes back.

crushNchowda Senior Enthusiast

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http://2015reviewcars.com/pontiac-trans-2015-specs-release-date/

 

http://gmpowerhouses.blogspot.com/2013/06/brand-new-trans-am-firebird-speculations.html

 

 

Still a lot of conjecture, but I think theres enough smoke around this to maybe see some fire. Only issue is regardless of where its made or what dealer carries this, if it doesnt have a pontiac badge on it GM will not win with this.

 

 

I had an orginal 2010 Camaro SS ordered it before they were out. Nice car. One issue I see with Camaro is their going push their price point way to high for them and again well see them come on hard times. The ZL1 and Z28 are nice and all, but whos going to pay 60 plus for a camaro? As it is the SS is a 35k car, get that baby up over 40, I think you see less and less on the road

Who'se going to play $50 or $60,000 + for a truck? My coworker just purchased '15 yukon denali - $72,000 msrp ended up paying $61,000

 

The Z28 is worth the $$$ to the people who will use it for what it was designed for - track days. You're talking about a $60,000 car that can outlap a 911 turbo ($190,000?) and GTR ($100,000) around a road course, and can take a serious beating, and has cheap modability/maintenance/repair costs. So, yeah, for the guys who are trailering their cars to the track (w/ their $50-$60,000 truck) the $60,000 camaro makes good sense.

nards444 Senior Enthusiast

nards444

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A lot of speculation there, but not thinking there are any plans for a Pontiac variant anywhere within GM. Aftermarket is the only hope for conversions.

With the amount of money GM just sank into completely redesigning the 5.3L, not thinking it is going anywhere anytime soon. Would guess it will still be

with us for the T what ever series in 2018/2019.

 

As for the Camaro price point. $40K plus is insane for a 2 door coupe, but was in Strongsville, OH Chevrolet dealership & this was on the showroom floor.

No photos on their site, but coupes with the massive wheel option are pushing $50 grand sticker prices.

 

NEW 2014 CHEVROLET CAMARO 2DR CPE SS W/2SS

Destination Charge $995.00

Installed Options

  • Power sunroof $900.00
  • Silver Rally Stripe Package $470.00
  • 6-speed automatic transmission $1,185.00
  • 20" x 8" front and 20" x 9" rear polished aluminum wheels

     

    On LT models, this feature requires the available RS Package.

    $900.00
  • 21" painted chrome, multi-spoke aluminum wheels $6,365.00
  • Chevrolet MyLink®1 with navigation $795.00
  • RS Package $1,350.00
Total Options $11,965.00
MSRP* $50,115.00

 

Who adds a 6k rim package from the factory. But none the less yeah a 40k camaro is nuts. And I doubt the current success is going to stay with pricing. Camaro is really illogical car to buy. You cant do nothing with it.

 

Id put no guarentee on it, but I wouldnt kill the notion that a factor firebird comes back.

nards444 Senior Enthusiast

nards444

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Who'se going to play $50 or $60,000 + for a truck? My coworker just purchased '15 yukon denali - $72,000 msrp ended up paying $61,000

 

The Z28 is worth the $$$ to the people who will use it for what it was designed for - track days. You're talking about a $60,000 car that can outlap a 911 turbo ($190,000?) and GTR ($100,000) around a road course, and can take a serious beating, and has cheap modability/maintenance/repair costs. So, yeah, for the guys who are trailering their cars to the track (w/ their $50-$60,000 truck) the $60,000 camaro makes good sense.

Whos your market though? Do you have a few guys that go out to the track etc, sure. But your sales numbers come from the average joe blow. And I think your looking at it from a Micro view. Sure the Z28 is a nasty car and that 1 out of 100 buyer that buys the car is maybe getting a good deal, but its not a good deal for the avg joe, and GM has even admitted they wont sell a lot. To top that off comparing a car and a truck is foolish, as they serve two different purposes. One can easier justify a truck as it holds more people, can be driven year around, can haul things, and do work, camaro can do one thing go fast. Basically if your going to buy one car for your family do you buy a truck or a camaro. Again nothing against the camaro I had one, I just dont believe an american pony car is worth 40k plus. And IF im going to spend 60k for car, im not buying a camaro im buying a vette which is faster, or building something of my own thats faster and cheaper.

 

Why would I buy a 75k plus Z28 when the standard vette for 54k is probably a faster car

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