Do you think gm will add power?

KARNUT · October 7, 2014

I never though I would say this but I don't think we need anymore HP in a 1/2 ton or pony cars. I had a few performance cars in the seventies and my truck is just as quick as they were. If it wasn't for the nannies in these car and trucks half of them would be scattered in the woods, most people cant handle them. Let the dealer have factory back performance upgrades for the people willing to pay for performance, we are in good shape for the masses now.

nards444 · October 7, 2014

I never though I would say this but I don't think we need anymore HP in a 1/2 ton or pony cars. I had a few performance cars in the seventies and my truck is just as quick as they were. If it wasn't for the nannies in these car and trucks half of them would be scattered in the woods, most people cant handle them. Let the dealer have factory back performance upgrades for the people willing to pay for performance, we are in good shape for the masses now.

I tend to agree. Like I said before the market is the avg joe. If you want to have a hopped up trim level for that 1% that wants it fine. Were getting to the point that the engines are outmatching rest of the truck and the drivers skills.

I would like them to start focusing on fuel economy, and and maybe other aspects of the vehicles that can be improved. Some of the basic compenents such as a tire or tie rod havent changed in basic concept in a century, lets start seeing what we can do with that stuff like that. But I get HP sells.

MikeNH · October 7, 2014

I want them to focus less on fuel economy. They're forced to do stupid crap like AFM to satisfy the EPA, which has no business dictating what automakers can build. Kick them out and let the market do its thing. If people what that garbage then the market will supply it. I love the power wars. We're a few months from the Hellcat Charger- a 707 HP family sedan being sold. And that's awesome.

nards444 · October 7, 2014

I want them to focus less on fuel economy. They're forced to do stupid crap like AFM to satisfy the EPA, which has no business dictating what automakers can build. Kick them out and let the market do its thing. If people what that garbage then the market will supply it. I love the power wars. We're a few months from the Hellcat Charger- a 707 HP family sedan being sold. And that's awesome.

What if they take the time to truly focus on MPG and not some half hearted attempts. I dont care what the EPA says, my wallet wants more MPG. My point being is were there with HP lets start fine tuning some other things. If we can get a man on the moon, make vessel travel underwater for months without coming out, have trains that can move tons of material on sips of diesel, I think we can make a little old silverado do a little better in fuel consumption.

MikeNH · October 7, 2014

I can deal with where my MPG is. I don't like what they have to do to trucks to get these gains. It just isn't important to me. And my bigger beef is the feds sticking their nose where it doesn't belong to enforce this.

crushNchowda · October 7, 2014

Whos your market though? Do you have a few guys that go out to the track etc, sure. But your sales numbers come from the average joe blow. And I think your looking at it from a Micro view. Sure the Z28 is a nasty car and that 1 out of 100 buyer that buys the car is maybe getting a good deal, but its not a good deal for the avg joe, and GM has even admitted they wont sell a lot. To top that off comparing a car and a truck is foolish, as they serve two different purposes. One can easier justify a truck as it holds more people, can be driven year around, can haul things, and do work, camaro can do one thing go fast. Basically if your going to buy one car for your family do you buy a truck or a camaro. Again nothing against the camaro I had one, I just dont believe an american pony car is worth 40k plus. And IF im going to spend 60k for car, im not buying a camaro im buying a vette which is faster, or building something of my own thats faster and cheaper.

Why would I buy a 75k plus Z28 when the standard vette for 54k is probably a faster car

Because the standard vette is NOT a faster car. The Z28 is ridiculously fast in a track setting. I already stated a recent test where the Z28 turned quicker laps than a 911 turbo or GTR - same day, same driver. Do you know what dynamic suspension spool valve dampers are (made by multimatic)? Obviously not. The only other production car wearing this hi-tech F1 race gear is the Aston Martin ONE 77 (probably don't know what that is either). NO the vette doesn't have them. and neither will the Z06 model when it arrives. The Z28 also comes standard w/ brembo carbon ceramic 6 piston 15.5" brakes - do you have any idea how ridiculous it is for a sub-$100,000 car to sport that kind of brake hardware? Do you understand how large that rotor size is? Let me fill you in - smaller, less capable, non-brembo carbon ceramic brakes are a $10,000 option on a $140,000 Porsche GT3. Oh, it also sports the widest front rubber of ANY production car made - ever - and generates so much grip the wheels had to be redesigned to keep the tires from sliding around on them. I don't need to defend that car any more - just do some research for yourself. GM Doesn't NEED to sell a ton of them, they sell a ton of the V6 camaros and strippy SS' I can guarantee that not only do they sell ALL of the Z28's, I'd wager that there's a waiting list to get them once they start selling.

Its a dang race car w/ a camaro badge on it, if you had a camaro once you should maybe read up on what they're doing w/ the new ones these days

'01LS1 · October 7, 2014

What if they take the time to truly focus on MPG and not some half hearted attempts. I dont care what the EPA says, my wallet wants more MPG. My point being is were there with HP lets start fine tuning some other things. If we can get a man on the moon, make vessel travel underwater for months without coming out, have trains that can move tons of material on sips of diesel, I think we can make a little old silverado do a little better in fuel consumption.

I see your point & sort of agree. 30 mpg highway or something similar out of a 4wd crew would be amazing. But you ever wonder how much it costs you the consumer to get the tech that enables the sort of economy the gubermint wants over the next 10 years? Gov forced vs consumer demands are completely & entirely different. The same goes for the emissions aspect where our friggin elected officials have found a way to tax the air. I guess when dead people can vote.... Ehhh another subject.

I never though I would say this but I don't think we need anymore HP in a 1/2 ton or pony cars. I had a few performance cars in the seventies and my truck is just as quick as they were.

I have contacted all the mods on this forum to delete & correct your post asap. A local group of HP therapists will be in contact with you shortly to take you for a ride in 6 & 700 HP cars around race tracks until you recant your words.

Know what you are saying with regard to HP. But as mentioned elsewhere, GM 5.3L trucks are down 30 & 40 hp next to the new 5.0 & the old 5.7. Buyers are less & less brand loyal these days & will go to a higher hp similarly priced truck for that reason alone. Magazines & forums will tell them to do so too.

As for the Z/28? It is damn good publicity that a factory can & is willing to build the car. It just won Motor Trends Best Drivers car award against some much more expensive competition. While I do not think much of MT as a whole, people will buy LT-SS Camaros based on things just like that. The Z/28 is very limited production with the obvious full out track/race car costs, but still.

KARNUT · October 7, 2014

I see your point & sort of agree. 30 mpg highway or something similar out of a 4wd crew would be amazing. But you ever wonder how much it costs you the consumer to get the tech that enables the sort of economy the gubermint wants over the next 10 years? Gov forced vs consumer demands are completely & entirely different. The same goes for the emissions aspect where our friggin elected officials have found a way to tax the air. I guess when dead people can vote.... Ehhh another subject.

I have contacted all the mods on this forum to delete & correct your post asap. A local group of HP therapists will be in contact with you shortly to take you for a ride in 6 & 700 HP cars around race tracks until you recant your words.

Know what you are saying with regard to HP. But as mentioned elsewhere, GM 5.3L trucks are down 30 & 40 hp next to the new 5.0 & the old 5.7. Buyers are less & less brand loyal these days & will go to a higher hp similarly priced truck for that reason alone. Magazines & forums will tell them to do so too.

As for the Z/28? It is damn good publicity that a factory can & is willing to build the car. It just won Motor Trends Best Drivers car award against some much more expensive competition. While I do not think much of MT as a whole, people will buy LT-SS Camaros based on things just like that. The Z/28 is very limited production with the obvious full out track/race car costs, but still.

I have plenty of hp when needed, the point is for the average driver I think we are there.

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nards444 · October 7, 2014

Because the standard vette is NOT a faster car. The Z28 is ridiculously fast in a track setting. I already stated a recent test where the Z28 turned quicker laps than a 911 turbo or GTR - same day, same driver. Do you know what dynamic suspension spool valve dampers are (made by multimatic)? Obviously not. The only other production car wearing this hi-tech F1 race gear is the Aston Martin ONE 77 (probably don't know what that is either). NO the vette doesn't have them. and neither will the Z06 model when it arrives. The Z28 also comes standard w/ brembo carbon ceramic 6 piston 15.5" brakes - do you have any idea how ridiculous it is for a sub-$100,000 car to sport that kind of brake hardware? Do you understand how large that rotor size is? Let me fill you in - smaller, less capable, non-brembo carbon ceramic brakes are a $10,000 option on a $140,000 Porsche GT3. Oh, it also sports the widest front rubber of ANY production car made - ever - and generates so much grip the wheels had to be redesigned to keep the tires from sliding around on them. I don't need to defend that car any more - just do some research for yourself. GM Doesn't NEED to sell a ton of them, they sell a ton of the V6 camaros and strippy SS' I can guarantee that not only do they sell ALL of the Z28's, I'd wager that there's a waiting list to get them once they start selling.

Its a dang race car w/ a camaro badge on it, if you had a camaro once you should maybe read up on what they're doing w/ the new ones these days

I got ya and i understand the car. And I know GM doesnt have to sell a ton of them. Point being though I was trying to make earlier was making your standard SS cost more than 40k, understand the Z is in a different league. Even with the Z28 how many guys are really going to be track guys that actually buy them, its going to be the guy thats wants a stoplight to stop light car and something to show off. Even then when your talking almost a 6 figure car, Z06 will ultimately take that Z28 and I wouldnt counts your hopes on the Z taking a regular vette either. And Ill wager the Z doesnt last long on the market, or sells less than a 1000 units a year after the initial year, which is fine.

crushNchowda · October 8, 2014

I got ya and i understand the car. And I know GM doesnt have to sell a ton of them. Point being though I was trying to make earlier was making your standard SS cost more than 40k, understand the Z is in a different league. Even with the Z28 how many guys are really going to be track guys that actually buy them, its going to be the guy thats wants a stoplight to stop light car and something to show off. Even then when your talking almost a 6 figure car, Z06 will ultimately take that Z28 and I wouldnt counts your hopes on the Z taking a regular vette either. And Ill wager the Z doesnt last long on the market, or sells less than a 1000 units a year after the initial year, which is fine.

Exactly- it'll be worth $$$$ Chevy doesn't do a bunch of special edition models like ford w/ the mustang. This is a very special car and will undoubtedly be worth a good bit if you hold onto it- that's one part of the allure, the other part is that it's a freakin street legal race car, more so than anything else on the market by a pretty long shot (like the dodge viper acr).

The new c7 stingray may edge the z28 in a 1/4 mile race (it's probably 500 lbs lighter) but the Z28 packs the LS7 w/ more power/torque across a very broad range, and it has stickier tires, and a stock 3.92 (yep!) rear end- so I'm not even sure about that.

But back to the point of the post/thread - all vehicles are getting more expensive and they're all getting more power. I am ok w/ gm being conservative w/ the tech b/c it should mean the proven older refined tech they're dealing with is more known and reliable in the long term. Unfortunately there are all kinds of little issues with these gm new/old school type of trucks buit that's a different story.

I think the power is adequate, I've had it full of tailgating gear and four 200+ lb guys and it still felt energetic enough for me. If it was my only vehicle I may be more concerned with more hp or the 6.2 because I'm a HP addict, but since I get my power/speed fix from my Z06 I'm less concerned about the truck.

I can see where some may be concerned to "keep up" but the reality is the truck is adequately powered, not slow by any means, and can tow 10,000 lbs- what do you want?

If somebody had a decent tune for these trucks and/or a set if headers it'd more than make up for the perceived "power deficit" - i promise.

becker87 · October 8, 2014

The truck won't keep up with the car.lol.

Have you seen the numbers the new 6.2 are putting out? I think somebody recorded a 5.6 0-60 time. Once I put long tubes on mine I'm hoping to be around that range but guessing it will be closer to 6 seconds. A 0-60 time of 6 seconds will keep up with more then a few cars out there, plus I can haul a boat, so there is that.