Another oil thread

[diyer2]

Your vehicle, 14k miles would never happen.

[customboss]

9 minutes ago, diyer2 said:

Your vehicle, 14k miles would never happen.

Vic Firth is using a special oil to see if he could clean a Ford EcoBoost which is Ford for carbon baby maker.  LOL  

 

These engines are a mess but no one really knows it because they have a lot of reserve power. 

[diyer2]

Thanks

FYI

Fords don't exist in my world.

[VicFirth]

6 hours ago, diyer2 said:

Your vehicle, 14k miles would never happen.

This wasn't my vehicle I found this on another forum. 

[Grumpy Bear]

On 5/16/2024 at 7:03 AM, VicFirth said:

19 F-150 3.5EB, 14.4k HPL No VII Euro 5w30

 

14k miles on HPL No VII Euro 5w30.  My question is, if the virgin oxidation value starts at 23 for this oil, but is now 48, is that a problem or sign of oxidation?  I have noticed that Amsoil's virgin oxidation number doesn't change much from virgin to new.  

 

SAMPLE INFORMATION	Unit of Measurement	Reject Limit	Result
Sample Date			03 May 2024
Machine Age	miles		82988
Oil Age	miles		14394
Oil Changed			Not Changed
CONTAMINATION
Fuel		>4.0	<1.0
Water		>0.2	NEG
Glycol			NEG
WEAR METALS
Iron	ppm	>150	29
Chromium	ppm	>20	<1
Nickel	ppm	>5	0
Titanium	ppm		<1
Silver	ppm	>2	0
Aluminum	ppm	>40	15
Lead	ppm	>50	0
Copper	ppm	>155	11
Tin	ppm	>10	<1
Vanadium	ppm		0
Cadmium	ppm		0
ADDITIVES
Boron	ppm	200	53
Barium	ppm		3
Molybdenum	ppm	85	732
Manganese	ppm		4
Magnesium	ppm	525	1162
Calcium	ppm	4300	2381
Phosphorus	ppm	1000	862
Zinc	ppm	1100	991
Sulfur	ppm	20200	7511
CONTAMINANTS
Silicon	ppm	>30	25
Sodium	ppm	>400	10
Potassium	ppm	>20	1
INFRA-RED
Soot %	%		0.1
Nitration	Abs/cm	>20	21.6
Sulfation	Abs/.1mm	>30	55.9
FLUID DEGRADATION
Oxidation	Abs/.1mm	>25	48.1
Base Number (BN)	mg KOH/g	11.0	7.78
VISUAL
White Metal	scalar	NONE	NONE
Yellow Metal	scalar	NONE	NONE
Precipitate	scalar	NONE	NONE
Silt	scalar	NONE	NONE
Debris	scalar	NONE	NONE
Sand/Dirt	scalar	NONE	NONE
Appearance	scalar	NORML	NORML
Odor	scalar	NORML	NORML
Emulsified Water	scalar	>0.2	NEG
Free Water	scalar		NEG
FLUID PROPERTIES
Visc @ 100°C	cSt	11.19	12.7

 

Are we sure the Ox value of the new oil was 23? Same lot?? or a random number off the Internet....... These guys tweak allot. 

 

IMHO that was way too long a run for this oil. What lab is this? Is fuel GC or a flash cup estimate. 

[VicFirth]

22 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

 

Are we sure the Ox value of the new oil was 23? Same lot?? or a random number off the Internet....... These guys tweak allot. 

 

IMHO that was way too long a run for this oil. What lab is this? Is fuel GC or a flash cup estimate. 

 

Yeah one thing I've been noticing with HPL is the used oil oxidation value jumps up compared to the virgin.  HPL oils have a virgin oxidation value of 23-27.  I'm not sure if this is a concern or not. 

[Grumpy Bear]

1 hour ago, VicFirth said:

 

Yeah one thing I've been noticing with HPL is the used oil oxidation value jumps up compared to the virgin.  HPL oils have a virgin oxidation value of 23-27.  I'm not sure if this is a concern or not. 

 

Only if it gets out of hand. Opinion varies on what constitutes out of hand. I'm very conservative and would never allow an oil to reach the stage this sample did. Others won't bat an eye. 

[VicFirth]

2 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

 

Only if it gets out of hand. Opinion varies on what constitutes out of hand. I'm very conservative and would never allow an oil to reach the stage this sample did. Others won't bat an eye. 

I don't blame you.  Oil is cheap, engines are not.  

[Grumpy Bear]

 

[Grumpy Bear]

Go to 8 minutes in this video above and hang with it for 2.5 minutes. You can do 2.5 minutes, right? Tell me something Roger says I haven't said for years.  Hint: T1 & T2. 

 

Go to 2 minutes into the video and listen....at 3:45 seconds lean in. What's that AMSOIL? You can quit by 4:30.

 

Jump back in at 11 minutes to 20 minutes. Note the results in just 90 hours (4,000 miles in caption). 

 

Those are highlights. Watch it all for the nuts and bolts. 

 

Esters work  The issue he talks about in that they clear aggressively (CUMMINS RESTORE) which can plug filter and cause issues....ISN'T an issue if there is nothing to remove. That is.... you've used it from the beginning. 

 

BTW that motor in the IIIH test is running about 50% load at 3900 rpm for 90 hours. 

 

 

Edited June 1, 2024 by Grumpy Bear

[diyer2]

One question, do shorter OCI's prevent ring problems, carbon problems? This product could be avoided simply by doing more frequent oil changes, yes?

[Grumpy Bear]

40 minutes ago, diyer2 said:

One question, do shorter OCI's prevent ring problems, carbon problems? This product could be avoided simply by doing more frequent oil changes, yes?

 

Yes! But no one wants to hear that. I know this because I've said it for YEARS now. 

 

Nucleation and growth. More frequent changes stop the second. 

 

 

Edited June 2, 2024 by Grumpy Bear

[KARNUT]

3 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

 

Yes! But no one wants to hear that. I know this because I've said it for YEARS now. 

 

Nucleation and growth. More frequent changes stop the second. 

 

 

My mind was. I don’t go over 5K now. If I was just doing interstate I would go 7K only on certain vehicles. That list is shrinking.

[diyer2]

I have said it here many time and done it for over 50 years without an issue. Brother in-law follows the same agenda without issues. 

[Grumpy Bear]

Just now, diyer2 said:

I have said it here many time and done it for over 50 years without an issue. Brother in-law follows the same agenda without issues. 

 

I know you are aware we live in a world were facts matter little and chaos rules over truth.  

14 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

My mind was. I don’t go over 5K now. If I was just doing interstate I would go 7K only on certain vehicles. That list is shrinking.

 

Chaos with oil starts with the false premise then all oil is just oil. It ends with the idea that an exception IS the rule. Absolutely service matters.  

 

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The discussion on T1 & T2 in the video lays out the facts. Not all oil is 'just oil'. The exception is not a rule, it's an exception. Ignorance of facts create chaos and confusion. Oil companies, OEMs and EPA love confusion and chaos when it promotes an agenda. There is no shortage of minions to propagate it. Even allot of well education minions.

 

Continue to follow the chemistry/physics/science/common sense and leave the theater to actors and poly-tish'ns. 

 

You are both on solid ground. Oily but solid.