Covid19 Spare time

[Grumpy Bear]

On 3/17/2021 at 1:23 PM, nqabigt said:

been building a compound  to ward off dipshit canucks

Boy am I lost.

Is this the comment meant to help me with weeds? 

I don't get it.

[j-ten-ner]

double post, sorry

 

Edited March 20, 2021 by j-ten-ner

[j-ten-ner]

11 hours ago, Donstar said:

I grew up post WWII with relatives who represented (fought for) both "sides" in the war .(Norway/Germany).  The words you give were allowed to flourish in our schools and many of our homes.  I saw first-hand the toll these insidiousness slurs took on very strong people (thick-skinned) over time.  I remember an uncle in particular who was commonly referred to as, "the crout."    All of us kids thought it was acceptable vernacular as we heard it at school and in our homes.  I was present when one of his co-workers referred to him as the crout for the last time.  I suspect there was more going on in his life that helped in causing him to snap but we all have stuff, especially with Covid.   I am glad you speak up when you are referred to in this manner.  

The sad thing is that most of them are trying to be funny. They don't even mean to offend me. It's their way to get my attention and approval.

Yes, being raised in a certain way can have a long term effect on our perspective.

 

so long

j-ten-ner

[KARNUT]

My family is a melting pot. Many races represented. Growing up in New Jersey my grandfather’s favorite was picking on Italians. Somehow he’d forgotten we were part Italian. German, Irish, French, and Italian. This generation added Black,Mexican, and coon as$, a favorite Louisiana heritage. The only time I even noticed a difference is when the politicians bring it up. There’s usually money and power involved. There’s separation in some areas. Usually by choice. Mostly do to wealth or the lack of. Or language for comfort and convenience. At least with the people I want to be around.


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[Grumpy Bear]

https://www.ncsl.org/research/state-tribal-institute/list-of-federal-and-state-recognized-tribes.aspx#:~:text=NCSL Contact&text=The following state-by-state,currently 574 federally recognized tribes.

 

If you're not on this list you're an immigrant or of the line of an immigrant in the USA. 

 

Neil Armstrong was an explorer. He set foot where no man had ever lived or been before. European's like Leif Eriksson (AD 1000) and many others calling themselves explorers coming to America were invaders taking, cheating and killing native peoples for a land every square inch of was already claimed and settled killing off more Native Americans  than Hitler killed non-Deutsche.  861 years later invaders would slaughter 620,000 (Civil War) fighting over the economics of a people stolen from there homes and forced into slavery. Invaders fighting over invading the invasion. 80 or so years after that invaders would gather up every Asian American they could get our hands on and put them in concentration camps (Oh, detainment centers, my bad). My...how civilized we believe we are.   

 

Oddly, I'm third generation German/Danish and if I were to go to "Prussia", the general area of my great grands, I would be considered an immigrant. 

 

Hate is hate for the sake of hate. Nothing to feel superior about. That is what a slur is. A statement of being superior to someone else. 

 

I love this read in Acts 17 (Byingtons) Speaking non Christian Greeks Paul gives us some perspective...

 

22  And Paul took his stand in the middle of the Areopagus and said “Men of Athens, every way I see you are great reverers of unseen powers. 23  For in passing along and observing the objects of your worship I found among the rest an altar inscribed “To Unknown God.” So it is of what you adore unknowing that I am bringing you information. 24  God, who made the world and everything in it, does not, since he is Lord of heaven and earth, reside in man-made temples, 25  nor is tended by human hands for any want of his, when it is he who gave everybody life and breath and everything. 26  And he made out of one every nation of men to live all over the face of the earth, ordaining prescribed epochs and the limitations of their residence, 27  to have them seek for God if so be they might touch him in their groping and find him—as indeed he is not far from each one of us,28  Because in him we live and move and are, as some of your own poets too have said, For we his offspring are.29  So, seeing we are God’s offspring, we ought not to think divinity is similar to gold or silver or stone sculptured by human art and conception.30  “Therefore God, overlooking the times of ignorance, at present notifies men that everybody everywhere is to repent, 31  inasmuch as he has set a day on which he is going to judge the world of men with justice by a man whom he has designated and has certified to all by raising him from the dead;—”32  But at hearing of resurrection of the dead some jeered and others said “We will give you another hearing about this.” 33  With that Paul went out from their midst. 34  But some men adhered to him and believed, among them Dionysius an Areopagite, and a woman named Damaris, and others with them.

[Donstar]

Interesting points. Dealing with historical wrongs is complex.  Borders throughout the world were historically formed with conflict.  Disputes over territory carry on today  The colonization of North America and subsequent border wars are a terrible part of our history.  Reconciliation is often confused with restitution but the biggest issue is inline with what the recent protests on equality have championed. 

We have three adult children who all settled and established far away.   The pandemic has now clocked 14 months since we've seen either of them.  We have considered moving close to our grandchildren in case we are left isolated again but this would mean emigrating to another country.    Moving to a new country is quite a daunting process today but pales in comparison to what many of our forefathers experienced!  

[OnTheReel]

1 hour ago, Donstar said:

Reconciliation is often confused with restitution but the biggest issue is inline with what the recent protests on equality have championed. 

You mean the “protests” where they burned Kenosha to a crisp? Because police shot an accused rapist brandishing a knife as he got into a vehicle full of kids? I pass through that area often and it still looks like a war zone.
 

But surely all the minority-owned homes and businesses that have been torched all over the country were racist? Get real.

[Donstar]

8 minutes ago, OnTheReel said:

You mean the “protests” where they burned Kenosha to a crisp? Because police shot an accused rapist brandishing a knife as he got into a vehicle full of kids? I pass through that area often and it still looks like a war zone.
 

But surely all the minority-owned homes and businesses that have been torched all over the country were racist? Get real.

Nope, that's not what I meant. 

[OnTheReel]

1 minute ago, Donstar said:

Nope, that's not what I meant. 

What do you mean then because most of these “protests” have been fueled by somewhat false pretenses, at best.
 

I’m not saying there are no racists, but this is not a racist country that needs to devote all of it’s time and resources to making amends for what the Democrat party did in the past.
 

Coming from a family of both veterans and immigrants, I’m just sick and tired of the horrendous, racist image being portrayed of it for political gain. The image is not reflective of the life myself or almost anyone else lives. That’s not why we came here and that’s not what they fought for.

[Bash74]

 

 

 

 

[Donstar]

1 hour ago, OnTheReel said:

What do you mean then because most of these “protests” have been fueled by somewhat false pretenses, at best.
 

I’m not saying there are no racists, but this is not a racist country that needs to devote all of it’s time and resources to making amends for what the Democrat party did in the past.
 

Coming from a family of both veterans and immigrants, I’m just sick and tired of the horrendous, racist image being portrayed of it for political gain. The image is not reflective of the life myself or almost anyone else lives. That’s not why we came here and that’s not what they fought for.

I appreciate your strong feelings.  I think what dampened my anxiety and looking to blame others is to accept personal responsibility.  I used to proudly say I was colour blind and I was surprised to hear this is a form of racism.   I do know that racism is not owned by, or can be blamed on,  a political party and can't be voted on to disappear. I too come from a family of immigrants and veterans.  Some of the racial slurs floating around my house when I was growing up causes me to cringe when I think back!   I believe we are moving in the right direction but have a long way to go.  The mayhem found in non-peaceful protests is not acceptable and the destruction undermines the message.  Barring this, there is a message.  I chose to use some of my time to better understand the many facets of racism.

[Bash74]

I appreciate your strong feelings.  I think what dampened my anxiety and looking to blame others is to accept personal responsibility.  I used to proudly say I was colour blind and I was surprised to hear this is a form of racism.   I do know that racism is not owned by, or can be blamed on,  a political party and can't be voted on to disappear. I too come from a family of immigrants and veterans.  Some of the racial slurs floating around my house when I was growing up causes me to cringe when I think back!   I believe we are moving in the right direction but have a long way to go.  The mayhem found in non-peaceful protests is not acceptable and the destruction undermines the message.  Barring this, there is a message.  I chose to use some of my time to better understand the many facets of racism.

Being color blind as you say is not racist. You might have been told that, but it not true. Don't believe everything you are told because you don't won't to come off as a racist. To some just being white means a person is racist. Some of my best mentors in the military were black some of my best friends I served with are black and latino. We have always said we are color blind and only see green. Also being called a racist these days doesn't mean anything. It's a played out word used for everything that someone just doesn't like. It's basically like saying hello.



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[Transient]

I have a hard time looking at past politics and not seeing a repetition of those agendas today. When I look at the facts from credible sources like The Library of Congress, I see no change in 1 party for over 200 years. When I watch the movie Jonestown I see why one race would be upset at history, but don't understand why they are upset at the political party that brought the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments, along with federal civil rights laws including affirmative action. But, let's get real and recognize its not just race, but gender, too. The same political party works to oppress people based on gender. The worst part is, is leached into non-political entities such as Fortnite. People can't just play a video game. They have to get online and berate young children for sounding white. Unless raised racist, a 10 year old doesn't understand the race issues. That same 10 year old is a military child, and told because their parents serve in America and wear the American flag on their right shoulder that they are racist. I know this, because I play Fortnite with my son. This happened to my son while I was on with him. If I hadn't been there he wouldn't have had anybody sticking up for him. My son is an introvert and didn't start the incident. The person who started everything was obviously older. That person has since been blocked and will not be able to contact my son with the profile they used.

Now, if we really want to have a deep conversation about race, let's talk about reparations for white families, too, that lost everything during the Civil War when the men went to fight for the Union. You don't hear any of them complaining, do you?

Bottom line is, there's a lot of shouting from 1 side, and they don't wait for all the facts to come out. Just look at what happened in Minneapolis. A video shows something bad, and police are blamed for being racist. Yet, when the autopsy is released we find out the guy died from a drug overdose. The latter is ignored because it doesn't support an agenda.

"Tell a lie enough time and it becomes truth."
- Democrats Party of the USA

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[Grumpy Bear]

Genesis 1: 25 reads: And God proceeded to make the wild beast of the earth according to its kind and the domestic animal according to its kind and every moving animal of the ground according to its kind. And God got to see that [it was] good.

 

The Genus of Equus for example includes three branches, horses, wild asses and zebras. Each of these a Subgenus. Within the subgenus of horse then lay three branches, E. f. caballus, E. ferus ferus and E. ferus przewalski. As Genesis states a distinction in creation exist between 'domestic' and "every animal' it seems this is what God meant by KIND when he inspired Moses to write this text. 

 

He did not create every conceivable size, breed, color or variation OF E. f. caballus (domestic horse) but created enough variation within the genetic code of a pair of E. f. caballus to produce every 'type' or breed of horse we have today or have ever had in the past. 

 

When it came to man it says in verse 26: And God went on to say: “Let us make man in our image..." and continuing in verse 27:  And God proceeded to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them." 

 

Exactly one pair of humans were made and again with enough genetic variation to produce every "tribe, nation and tongue" (Rev 14:6) 

 

Thus my quote earlier from Acts 17:26  "And he made out of one man every nation of men to dwell on the entire surface of the earth,..."

 

Peter makes this note in Acts 10:34,35: At this Peter began to speak, and he said: “Now I truly understand that God is not partial, but in every nation the man who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.

 

Bigotry is truly a human invention and there is not a human being on this planet that does not suffer it to some degree. Some work very hard at seeing human KIND impartially. Others make racism their life's work. Even the Apostle Peter owed up to the fact he had this tendency. 

3 hours ago, Donstar said:

 I do know that racism is not owned by, or can be blamed on,  a political party and can't be voted on to disappear.

It is OWNED by the individual. With enough law and enforcement you can get a level of compliance at best. 

[Donstar]

Racism is an important discussion for all to be having and I appreciate everyone's comments.  It is not a recent issue nor is it unique to the US and Canada.  Protests during Covid have received some heightened global attention because of scenes of large groups clustered together.  My personal interest was heightened because I struggled understanding the message behind some of these "protests".  With so much information available online, and a lot of time on my hands,  my continued ignorance  was not an option.  It is very big onion to peel!