Grumpy Bear's All-Encompassing 2019/2020 GM Truck Hatred Thread

[TNTSierra]

A V6 used as a TRUCK will not do AS WELL of a job as a V8 will do. If you take a WT single cab truck and run it 60 mph against a same truck with a 5.3L. The V6 will not get as good of gas mileage as that V8, because the V6 is working harder to move the mass of the truck. It’s the same thing in CC configuration.  2 guys at work have almost same truck but with different engines.  The V8 outperforms the V6 in every way and gets better mpgs because it’s not working as hard as the V6 is when trying to move even more mass in CC configuration.  
 

you also have to take into consideration weather and climate. An engine in a lab is way different than an engine in real world. When you have wind it adds to more drag on the truck making the V6 work even harder than the V8. 

or let’s talk about hills. The more hills you go up the more the truck downshifts. The more downshifting, the more fuel used. A V8 will not need to downshift as much because of it’s TQ. The V6 will and use more fuel.  
I’ve seen this first hand.  I drive interstate 29 to my lake house. I had 2 identical trucks.  One with a 5.3L 8 spd and one with the 6.2l 8 spd.   The 6.2L beat the 5.3L in mpgs every time because when going up hills it never had to downshift  The extra 80ft lbs of TQ help it from downshifting. 
 

I love the 4.3L motor. It’s a powerhouse. I will never dog it. Heck I have it in my stingray boat. Love the motor. But if I had the choice to get the boat with a V8. I’d choose the V8 because of the TQ it has to pull me up out of the water slalom skiing. The V6 still gets me out of the water but it’s challenging at first.  The V8 snaps you right up.   

[mafd2]

55 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Ya know f8l I'll put up with near anything and it's water off a ducks back. But the line is drawn when people lie and distort the truth, as mafd2 did. His purpose was to discredit a persons reputation with impunity. And for what. To make his opinion stand tall. I have zero use for such people. If they will lie about you for gain they will lie to you for less. To the box with him. He didn't make a mistake, he made a choice. 

 

 

 

 

Honestly I don't care what you think or how you feel about me and the feelings are mutual.  I didn't lie.  You made a comment towards me using my mother.  Maybe I took it the wrong way IDK?   You think your stupid B.S. comments are always so cute but they're not.  Most of the sh*t gets old.  I surmise you love the drama.   Why do get into a confrontation with so many people here?  So many members can't be all wrong.  I've never had a problem with any member here except you.  And why?  Because I asked you if you even had a T1 and if you did what problems are you having which was in the realm of things that received many likes and thanks.  Then you started with the stupid rebuttal and off the wall comments. You have countless stupid non constructive comments here. Me?  Only with you.  You?  With many members.  I'm on many  gun, truck, and motorcycle forums;  Every forum has there problems but  I think you take the cake sir.  It's ok to throw a joke out and having a knack for making members chuckle time to time and I'll do the same but man...  It seems ridiculous off topic comments, rolling emoji's, GIF's and yanking members chains is what you do best.  Funny why someone started this thread for you. Wonder why.  Hey, keep posting what you think fits and what you like. For what it's worth I don't like you and you don't like me which neither one of us give a hoot.  I'm perfectly fine with that.  I'll still read your media. whether it's constructive or not.

 

 I'd like to know one thing though; why do you lurk on the T1 forum?  Just to say how much you hate them how ugly they are?  Telling members they have ugly Edsel trucks?  Do you have fun doing that?  Oh I forgot everything's funny to you.  Is that what peels your banana?  Do you ever have anything positive or constructive to say to T1 members?  Lets see how long you can go without bashing the T1 owners  on the T1 section, off topic ridiculous comments and green rolling emojis and a GIF while I go back to communicating with other members, answering members questions, concerns and problems.  Curious. Anyway,  I think we're done here and hope you're done with me. You old grouchy fart  I mean Mr. Grumpy Bear sir.   I'm good and not gonna keep going round and round with you and I'm sure you feel the same. I already know how you'll respond to this post so get you some bud.  It's all yours.  Anyway, stay safe .  Don't get Covid and die on us.

[KARNUT]

A V6 used as a TRUCK will not do AS WELL of a job as a V8 will do. If you take a WT single cab truck and run it 60 mph against a same truck with a 5.3L. The V6 will not get as good of gas mileage as that V8, because the V6 is working harder to move the mass of the truck. It’s the same thing in CC configuration.  2 guys at work have almost same truck but with different engines.  The V8 outperforms the V6 in every way and gets better mpgs because it’s not working as hard as the V6 is when trying to move even more mass in CC configuration.  

 

you also have to take into consideration weather and climate. An engine in a lab is way different than an engine in real world. When you have wind it adds to more drag on the truck making the V6 work even harder than the V8. 

 

or let’s talk about hills. The more hills you go up the more the truck downshifts. The more downshifting, the more fuel used. A V8 will not need to downshift as much because of it’s TQ. The V6 will and use more fuel.  

I’ve seen this first hand.  I drive interstate 29 to my lake house. I had 2 identical trucks.  One with a 5.3L 8 spd and one with the 6.2l 8 spd.   The 6.2L beat the 5.3L in mpgs every time because when going up hills it never had to downshift  The extra 80ft lbs of TQ help it from downshifting. 

 

I love the 4.3L motor. It’s a powerhouse. I will never dog it. Heck I have it in my stingray boat. Love the motor. But if I had the choice to get the boat with a V8. I’d choose the V8 because of the TQ it has to pull me up out of the water slalom skiing. The V6 still gets me out of the water but it’s challenging at first.  The V8 snaps you right up.   

I thought you only could get the V-8 in a 4WD single cab? In that case the V-6 should be faster and more efficient? Then there’s gearing. I’m certain not siding with anyone, it’s just a question.

 

 

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[TNTSierra]

1 minute ago, KARNUT said:

I thought you only could get the V-8 in a 4WD single cab? In that case the V-6 should be faster and more efficient? Then there’s gearing. I’m certain not siding with anyone, it’s just a question.

 

 

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IDK for sure,  I'll check GMs website, but I was referring to the CrewCab trucks. The V6 works harder moving the mass more than the V8 does. Especially in the real word. In a lab, of course the V6 would do better, its a controlled environment.  

[TNTSierra]

18 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

I thought you only could get the V-8 in a 4WD single cab? In that case the V-6 should be faster and more efficient? Then there’s gearing. I’m certain not siding with anyone, it’s just a question.

 

 

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Gm's website allows you to get 2WD WT with a V8 but they are in long bed configurations.  Either  V6 or V8  No more short beds

I would still argue that a 2WD V6 WT would not beat a 4WD V8 WT in being faster....maybe in MPGs but in real world, it would be about the same.  The real world makes a huge difference on these engines. So much different than in a lab on a dyno. Especially when factoring in wind and hills/mountains. 

[KARNUT]

IDK for sure,  I'll check GMs website, but I was referring to the CrewCab trucks. The V6 works harder moving the mass more than the V8 does. Especially in the real word. In a lab, of course the V6 would do better, its a controlled environment.  

When I had my 14 GMC with the e-85 option and 342 gear. That narrowed the gap between it and the 6.2. In some cases even the field. Then you add in the cost to get the 6.2 in certain models there wasn’t an advantage. Depending on what your use was. In my 40 years of buying trucks almost every 2 years. I became really familiar with spec sheets. Just getting the bigger engine didn’t make a performance truck. If a performance truck is the desire. It was mine. In some case I bought the smaller motor added performance mods, even S/C and saved a bundle. Enough to replace a motor if it blew. Never did. I spent most of my time at HWY speed. I’ve even put in a steep gear and added a gear vendor. Left the engine stock. In 98 I wanted a stick gas V-8 1/2 ton. I bought a Ford sport 4.6 5 speed. Put in a posi, and a vortex s/c. I had a blast until a stock 01 GMC out ran me. A week later I was driving one. Just a tune and a gear in that one. I’ve had over 20 trucks none stock. I definitely could drive a V-6 single cab with a gear. Of course there’s always a Ram RT single cab with a scat package. I hear there coming.


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[TNTSierra]

4 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

When I had my 14 GMC with the e-85 option and 342 gear. That narrowed the gap between it and the 6.2. In some cases even the field. Then you add in the cost to get the 6.2 in certain models there wasn’t an advantage. Depending on what your use was. In my 40 years of buying trucks almost every 2 years. I became really familiar with spec sheets. Just getting the bigger engine didn’t make a performance truck. If a performance truck is the desire. It was mine. In some case I bought the smaller motor added performance mods, even S/C and saved a bundle. Enough to replace a motor if it blew. Never did. I spent most of my time at HWY speed. I’ve even put in a steep gear and added a gear vendor. Left the engine stock. In 98 I wanted a stick gas V-8 1/2 ton. I bought a Ford sport 4.6 5 speed. Put in a posi, and a vortex s/c. I had a blast until a stock 01 GMC out ran me. A week later I was driving one. Just a tune and a gear in that one. I’ve had over 20 trucks none stock. I definitely could drive a V-6 single cab with a gear. Of course there’s always a Ram RT single cab with a scat package. I hear there coming.


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I had a 17 5.3L and an 18 6.2l  both 8 spd trannys  both 3.42.  I ran E85 in 5.3L and yes it made a huge difference, but it would not beat my 6.2l.  That's a fact!!!  Did it close the gap. Absolutely, but I also lost almost 3 mpgs using E85 instead of regular fuel. So my MPGs were almost 5 mpgs  less in the 5.3 compared to the 6.2 driving interstate 29

[KARNUT]

I had a 17 5.3L and an 18 6.2l  both 8 spd trannys  both 3.42.  I ran E85 in 5.3L and yes it made a huge difference, but it would not beat my 6.2l.  That's a fact!!!  Did it close the gap. Absolutely, but I also lost almost 3 mpgs using E85 instead of regular fuel. So my MPGs were almost 5 mpgs  less in the 5.3 compared to the 6.2 driving interstate 29

I used E-85 locally. Regular gas on trips. The difference could be felt. Especially after using a hypertec program. Raising the red line, shift points, raising the cut off. Supercharging was next. Cylinder deactivation killed the project and I sold it. Funny stuff happens after turning 60, raw performance doesn’t mean as much. Sold the toys and my stock Avalanche seems to be enough. There’s always my wife’s car.


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[mafd2]

13 hours ago, flyingfool said:

i would say there are some nice sounding Japanese, and european v6 motors. good sounding v6 is part of the crank design and the muffler tuning. the new BMW's and Dodge cars are god awfull with open exhaust.. i think cylinder deactivation is whats really making it worse.  But all the work GM put into the new pushrod v6, it is really impressive hot rod motor if you know what your looking at and sat down and studied the engineering that went into these motors.

True but, the V6 has always had a crappy sound even before AFM and since the early '60's GMC trucks.  True, deactivation does make it worse and even on the V8 but when the V8 is hitting on all 8, music to my ears.  I agree. There's a few Camaros and Challengers running around here with open exhaust that sounds god awful.  A V8 with open exhaust won't have an awful sound.  Why even buy a muscle car with a V6?  The V6 will give you better fuel mileage  but You'll have more fun with the V8 and will be more rewarding. A V6 isn't as smooth running as a V8. You have less of the smooth right left right firing because of the firing order in the V8 which fires every time the crank rotates 90 degrees.  Chopping 2 cylinders makes a difference in many ways.  As far as the dual exhaust, well, if you have the same exhaust on a V8 and a V6, you will be able to distinctly hear the differences solely from the engines, no matter what type of exhaust they both have , design of the crank or how they're tuned.  It's just the nature of the beast.

 

The 4.3 V6 may be impressive with many engineering hours in it but the new 2.7 turbo in the T1 is a little more impressive with better fuel mileage.  I understand it has a turbo and I'm not sure I'd want a 4cyl in a full size truck but, you know what?  310 H.P. and 348 torque compared to 285/305?  That's pretty impressive.  A workmate of mine has a 2.7.  The life and reliability is yet to be seen though.  I surmise the 4.3 will soon be defunct in the 1500.  

[the wanderer]

4 hours ago, TNTSilverado said:

A V6 used as a TRUCK will not do AS WELL of a job as a V8 will do. If you take a WT single cab truck and run it 60 mph against a same truck with a 5.3L. The V6 will not get as good of gas mileage as that V8, because the V6 is working harder to move the mass of the truck.

 

 

Don't be so sure about that today; the v8 is running on reduced cylinders quite often, so probably 4 or 6 while on rural/freeway.

 

The biggest issue I have with the 4.3 is typical GM BS; they give you the crummiest transmission available, and leave the 10 speed for the more powerful engines, when in fact, those engines need the 10 gears less than the 4.3 does. Just like they do in the HD world; the gas gets a 6 speed when it really needs 10, and the diesel gets 10 when it can probably work just as well on 6 or 8. Ford and Ram are far better in this respect, and it's one of the reasons why I refused to buy a GMC this time around.

 

Drop the same 10 speed in a truck with the 4.3 and I bet the game changes, fast.

[TNTSierra]

1 minute ago, the wanderer said:

 

Don't be so sure about that today; the v8 is running on reduced cylinders quite often, so probably 4 or 6 while on rural/freeway.

 

The biggest issue I have with the 4.3 is typical GM BS; they give you the crummiest transmission available, and leave the 10 speed for the more powerful engines, when in fact, those engines need the 10 gears less than the 4.3 does. Just like they do in the HD world; the gas gets a 6 speed when it really needs 10, and the diesel gets 10 when it can probably work just as well on 6 or 8. Ford and Ram are far better in this respect, and it's one of the reasons why I refused to buy a GMC this time around.

 

Drop the same 10 speed in a truck with the 4.3 and I bet the game changes, fast.

No it won’t. It will shift down even more because it’s lacking the TQ to keep it in that gear!  Sure in a test lab and a controlled environment it would but in the real world it would fall flat on its face pushing that much mass around and dealing with the elements.  Wind and hills kills smaller motors.

 

Another fact. I had 2 trailblazers. One with a 4.2L and one with a 5.3L.  The V8 got better mileage because it never downshifted like the I6 did. It’s not rocket science. 

Have you ever driven the Ford 3.3 with a 10 spd??  After your done. You will never want to again.  Shifts all the time. 

[the wanderer]

8 minutes ago, TNTSilverado said:

No it won’t. It will shift down even more because it’s lacking the TQ to keep it in that gear!  Sure in a test lab and a controlled environment it would but in the real world it would fall flat on its face pushing that much mass around and dealing with the elements.  Wind and hills kills smaller motors.

 

Another fact. I had 2 trailblazers. One with a 4.2L and one with a 5.3L.  The V8 got better mileage because it never downshifted like the I6 did. It’s not rocket science. 

Have you ever driven the Ford 3.3 with a 10 spd??  After your done. You will never want to again.  Shifts all the time. 

 

You're definitely wrong. More gears = more chance to keep the engine in optimal range for power + effiency. Couldn't care less about the Ford, they suck all around anyway.

 

I owned a Jeep GC, 2012 with the 3.6 pentastar and a 5 speed mercedes tranny. Total dog. Same engine + jeep 2 years newer with an 8 speed ZF and the thing just came to life.

Ram 2500 6.4 hemi with a 6 speed, total dog. They dropped the 8 speed ZF in it, transformed it completely, she's a fast girl now.

 

You have 10 speeds, nothing wrong with downshifting. That's the whole point, but when you have more gears, it needs to downshift to a lesser RPM than a 6 or 8 speed would make it downshift to.

 

You're right it's not rocket science, so how do you get something so simple so wrong? 

Edited August 28, 2020 by the wanderer

[TNTSierra]

4 minutes ago, the wanderer said:

 

You're definitely wrong. More gears = more chance to keep the engine in optimal range for power + effiency. Couldn't care less about the Ford, they suck all around anyway.

 

I owned a Jeep GC, 2012 with the 3.6 pentastar and a 5 speed mercedes tranny. Total dog. Same engine + jeep 2 years newer with an 8 speed ZF and the thing just came to life.

Ram 2500 6.4 hemi with a 6 speed, total dog. They dropped the 8 speed ZF in it, transformed it completely, she's a fast girl now.

 

You have 10 speeds, nothing wrong with downshifting. That's the whole point, but when you have more gears, it needs to downshift to a lesser RPM than a 6 or 8 speed would make it downshift to.

 

You're right it's not rocket science, so how do you get something so simple so wrong? 

Ok genius. When the truck downshifts it’s puts it into a higher RPM range thus making the engine drink more fuel. You are totally wrong in this. 

[flyingfool]

that's why some pro tuners are pulling late model transmissions and installing the 4l80e units to get around the 6,8 and 10 speed nonsense..!

 

more gears is all about emissions improvements not for making power.  

Edited August 28, 2020 by flyingfool

[the wanderer]

2 minutes ago, TNTSilverado said:

Ok genius. When the truck downshifts it’s puts it into a higher RPM range thus making the engine drink more fuel. You are totally wrong in this. 

 

Huh? More gears = more opportunity to have the lowest possible RPMs, while still delivering the requested power. If it needs to downshift because it can't maintain enough power in the current gear, then it will downshift to a lesser RPM (with 10 gears) than it would have if there were only 6 or 8 gears. Less gears = higher jumps in RPM.

 

Think in extremes, and it becomes very clear. What is better, a 2 speed gear box, or a CVT? The CVT, because it has infinite gears. Whatever speed you are driving at, whatever power you require at that speed, the CVT will optimize it for you.

 

The 10 speed is closer to "infinite gears" than a 6 or an 8.

 

I suggest you watch "Engineering Explained" on YouTube who has done multiple videos on this. 10 speed all the way brother.