Goodyear Trailrunner ATs junk in snow?

[RyanbabZ71]

i was out once in 6-8" of snow and ice and no complaints from me.  First time out in the truck and I purposely was checking grip levels and found them to be plenty good here in PA. 

Again how many miles on the tires? Last winter they were good but once I got some miles on them they lost any traction with precipitation on the ground

What size engine? Maybe the 6.2 is to much for them? Wants to break them loose?


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[at4carbonpro]

42 minutes ago, RyanbabZ71 said:

 

Again how many miles on the tires? Last winter they were good but once I got some miles on them they lost any traction with precipitation on the ground

What size engine? Maybe the 6.2 is to much for them? Wants to break them loose?


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3,000 miles and I have a 6.2.  No doubt the tires spun under power and i could easily kick out the rear, but I always felt under control.  The tires were good under normal driving and did a good job when I stomped on the brakes.  Take all of this with a grain of salt.  This is my first ever truck so I have no idea how other tires would compare to these, so for me, they were a pleasant surprise.  My wife drives a Honda Pilot with Conti all seasons and the truck felt better than that.  I drove both in the same snow storm.  My previous car was an awd Audi with Blizzaks for the winter.

 

I did find if I kept it in 2wd i really spun the tires, so 4wd auto feels like a must in bad conditions.

[econometrics]

I run my RST with Trailrunners in 4A any time the pavement is wet here in DFW. Just not with the risk of needing to get immediate traction at a moment’s notice and spin the wheels... which has happened a couple times in the past. But I don’t feel it’s specifically tire-related as much as it can be road-related here. 
 

I have 14K on mine. 

[RWTJR]

On 12/22/2020 at 12:35 PM, Zbass_10 said:

No grip from these tires and the truck slides around like crazy.  These are the stock 275/60/20s on the GMC Elevation.  I had a '19 trail boss with duratracs and traded it in for a '20 elevation with the trailrunners and it feels like I went from a tank to a prius. 

The DuraTracs are Three-Peak Mountain Snowflake (3PMS) rated, the TrailRunners are not. IMHO, if driving is snow a 3PMS A/T tire is a must.

 

JMHO

No expertise implied or expressed

Edited January 7, 2021 by RWTJR

[shanemoon]

5 hours ago, RWTJR said:

The DuraTracs are Three-Peak Mountain Snowflake (3PMS) rated, the TrailRunners are not. IMHO, if driving is snow a 3PMS A/T tire is a must.

 

JMHO

No expertise implied or expressed

The Duratrac's that come on GM vehicles are not 3PMS rated. I guess GM worked out something different with Goodyear to get a cheaper variant.

The RAM's Duratrac's are 3PMS rated, and any that you buy aftermarket are, but not the factory GM ones.

 

They are still great on snow, but just not as good as their 3PMS rated versions. The compound is slightly different.

Edited January 7, 2021 by shanemoon

[RWTJR]

2 hours ago, shanemoon said:

The Duratrac's that come on GM vehicles are not 3PMS rated. I guess GM worked out something different with Goodyear to get a cheaper variant.

The RAM's Duratrac's are 3PMS rated, and any that you buy aftermarket are, but not the factory GM ones.

 

They are still great on snow, but just not as good as their 3PMS rated versions. The compound is slightly different.

Hah! Leave it to GM to spec the tire so that it's not 3PMS. They must have wanted either better mpg, softer ride  or a quieter tire.

 

No expertise implied or expressed.

 

Edited January 7, 2021 by RWTJR
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[Blue5.3l]

6 hours ago, shanemoon said:

The Duratrac's that come on GM vehicles are not 3PMS rated. I guess GM worked out something different with Goodyear to get a cheaper variant.

The RAM's Duratrac's are 3PMS rated, and any that you buy aftermarket are, but not the factory GM ones.

 

They are still great on snow, but just not as good as their 3PMS rated versions. The compound is slightly different.

The Duratrac’s on GM trucks are load range C. The Duratrac’s that are rated 3PMS are load range E. Price difference of around $80 on Tire Racks site. They have both available. 

[Duramax3oh]

TLDR: I really really like the look of the Wrangler Trailrunner AT and it's just about the exact look I want. But how would they work for lots of highway driving, towing travel trailer, want low road noise, maintain as good fuel mileage as possible?  Zero worry about snow/ice.. but does rain here in Houston.

 

 

Well this is a disappointed thread for me to find, but very very good at the same time.  Will be lifting the truck 2" very shortly and increasing tires to LT 275/65R20 tires. I will have almost no worry about driving in snowy/icy conditions but it does rain quite a bit here. My needs are significantly on pavement, a lot of highway driving, and a good bit of towing a travel trailer. I'm still very sensitive to trying to keep road noise down to a minimum and maintaining as good a fuel mileage as realistically possible. I do not want a pure highway style tire and do not want an aggressive off road tire. A solid all terrain that that may be closer to highway is what I'm looking for vs bordering towards mud. I'm also trying to maintain as close to OEM factory look and even closer to the 2500 HD look. Would like to be pleased visually but am not going for an aggressive/trail boss look or anything.

 

Continue to go back to the Michelin Defender LTX M/S (although not my favorite look) or Michelin LTX AT2. Came across the Goodyear Wrangler Trailrunner AT seen them on several HD's and Super Duty's and think they look fantastic. Better look than the stock Duelers I have but they don't scream off-road. I really like the look of these the best... would they fit my needs or are they really truly junk? Not in snow but highway and towing how would they hold up?

Edited January 9, 2021 by Duramax3oh

[RWTJR]

On 1/7/2021 at 9:47 PM, Blue5.3l said:

The Duratrac’s on GM trucks are load range C. The Duratrac’s that are rated 3PMS are load range E. Price difference of around $80 on Tire Racks site. They have both available. 

I am not so sure this is accurate.

 

According to the Goodyear website the DuraTracs are Severe Snow Certified (3PMS) except LT275/70/R18 Goodyear website - shown under "Features" last bullet point (Winter Performance) in right column: https://www.goodyear.com/en-US/tires/wrangler-duratrac?year=2020&make=GMC&model=Sierra 1500&vo=Elevation&ctid=166898

 

Below are non load range E rated DuraTracs found on Tire Rack that are 3PMS (Sever Snow Certified):

 

The 275/60/R20 (not E rated) size tires the OP has on his on his GM Elevation are Severe Snow Certified (3PMS) in the DuraTrac : https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Wrangler+DuraTrac&sidewall=Blackwall&partnum=76SR0WDT&tab=Specs

 

These 265/65/R18 that would fit my Z71/RST are 3PMS rated, they are neither an LT or E rated: https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Wrangler+DuraTrac&sidewall=Blackwall&partnum=665SR8WDT&tab=Specs

 

Both tires above are GM sizes but not GM's TPC spec tires. Neither of the tires above are E or LT rated but both are 3PMS rated (according to both Tire rack and Goodyear).

 

The OEM DuraTrac tires (TPC spec) may not be 3PMS rated but based on the above it's not because they aren't load rate E. Goodyear makes plenty of 3PMS DuraTracs in non E load sizes GM could use. 

 

GM probably spec's a non 3PMS A/T tire to have less rolling resistance/better mpg (different compound or something).

 

JMHO

No expertise implied or expressed

 

 

 

 

 

[BluegrassMotorsport]

My truck came with these tires. They've honestly been excellent in the rain and snow but good heavens they're loud. I know that's typical with an A/T tire but I promise you the Duratracs on my K2 were quieter. And the T1 is supposed to be a quieter truck! My buddy bought an RST just before me and it came with Bridgestones. They're way quieter and ride better. Mine only have about 7k miles on them and I'm thinking about dumping them. 

 

[Blue5.3l]

9 hours ago, RWTJR said:

I am not so sure this is accurate.

 

According to the Goodyear website the DuraTracs are Severe Snow Certified (3PMS) except LT275/70/R18 Goodyear website - shown under "Features" last bullet point (Winter Performance) in right column: https://www.goodyear.com/en-US/tires/wrangler-duratrac?year=2020&make=GMC&model=Sierra 1500&vo=Elevation&ctid=166898

 

Below are non load range E rated DuraTracs found on Tire Rack that are 3PMS (Sever Snow Certified):

 

The 275/60/R20 (not E rated) size tires the OP has on his on his GM Elevation are Severe Snow Certified (3PMS) in the DuraTrac : https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Wrangler+DuraTrac&sidewall=Blackwall&partnum=76SR0WDT&tab=Specs

 

These 265/65/R18 that would fit my Z71/RST are 3PMS rated, they are neither an LT or E rated: https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Wrangler+DuraTrac&sidewall=Blackwall&partnum=665SR8WDT&tab=Specs

 

Both tires above are GM sizes but not GM's TPC spec tires. Neither of the tires above are E or LT rated but both are 3PMS rated (according to both Tire rack and Goodyear).

 

The OEM DuraTrac tires (TPC spec) may not be 3PMS rated but based on the above it's not because they aren't load rate E. Goodyear makes plenty of 3PMS DuraTracs in non E load sizes GM could use. 

 

GM probably spec's a non 3PMS A/T tire to have less rolling resistance/better mpg (different compound or something).

 

JMHO

No expertise implied or expressed

 

 

 

 

 

Somethings different in the compound. 

Edited January 10, 2021 by Blue5.3l

[RWTJR]

5 hours ago, Blue5.3l said:

Somethings different in the compound. 

 

I agree this is probably the case.

 

Below are links to two different 275/65/R18 DuraTrac tires with very similar load capacity (both not E rated). One is OE (slightly less load capacity) and the other is not (slightly more load capacity). These tires are so close in numbers it leads me to believe it's the GM TPC Spec (spec's compound?) that effects the 3PMS rating.

 

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Wrangler+DuraTrac&partnum=765SR8WDT

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Wrangler+DuraTrac&sidewall=Blackwall&partnum=765QR8WDTV3&tab=Specs

 

So of the three (3) 275/65/R18 DuraTrac tires Goodyear makes, the OE (GM spec'd) tire has the least load capacity and is not 3PMS. Oh, and they cost the least.

 

Getting back to the OP's question about snow performance of his 275/60/20 Trailrunners, they are not 3PMS rated and they don't even make a 3PMS rated version of the Trailrunner. Therefore, I wouldn't expect much from them in the snow. IMHO, the Trailrunners are not even much of an A/T tire. However, the OP did better than I did, my Z71/RST came with Fortitude HT (Highway-Terrain) tires that GM says are All-Terrain tires. In Goodyear, the best A/T with winter traction for the op's truck is probably going to be the 275/60/20, 3PMS, rated Duratrac.

 

Personally, I wouldn't replace the Trailrunners with another Goodyear tire. I would probably go back to the Pirelli Scorpian AT Plus I had on my last truck or the Cooper AT3 4S (both 3PMS). Both also come in 275/60/20 size.

 

Thanks for indulging me as I ramble on.

 

JMHO

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[Austinamp]

I took delivery of my 2021 Sierra 3500HD Denali Black Diamond Edition yesterday. It came with the 275/65/20 Goodyear Wrangler Trail Runner ATs. I was surprised to see that they have the 3 Peak Mountain Snowflake. 

[Austinamp]

On 1/10/2021 at 8:06 AM, RWTJR said:

I agree this is probably the case.

 

Below are links to two different 275/65/R18 DuraTrac tires with very similar load capacity (both not E rated). One is OE (slightly less load capacity) and the other is not (slightly more load capacity). These tires are so close in numbers it leads me to believe it's the GM TPC Spec (spec's compound?) that effects the 3PMS rating.

 

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Wrangler+DuraTrac&partnum=765SR8WDT

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Wrangler+DuraTrac&sidewall=Blackwall&partnum=765QR8WDTV3&tab=Specs

 

So of the three (3) 275/65/R18 DuraTrac tires Goodyear makes, the OE (GM spec'd) tire has the least load capacity and is not 3PMS. Oh, and they cost the least.

 

Getting back to the OP's question about snow performance of his 275/60/20 Trailrunners, they are not 3PMS rated and they don't even make a 3PMS rated version of the Trailrunner. Therefore, I wouldn't expect much from them in the snow. IMHO, the Trailrunners are not even much of an A/T tire. However, the OP did better than I did, my Z71/RST came with Fortitude HT (Highway-Terrain) tires that GM says are All-Terrain tires. In Goodyear, the best A/T with winter traction for the op's truck is probably going to be the 275/60/20, 3PMS, rated Duratrac.

 

Personally, I wouldn't replace the Trailrunners with another Goodyear tire. I would probably go back to the Pirelli Scorpian AT Plus I had on my last truck or the Cooper AT3 4S (both 3PMS). Both also come in 275/60/20 size.

 

Thanks for indulging me as I ramble on.

 

JMHO

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I took delivery of my 2021 Sierra 3500HD Denali Black Diamond Edition yesterday. It came with the 275/65/20 Goodyear Wrangler Trail Runner ATs. I was surprised to see that they have the 3 Peak Mountain Snowflake. 

[RWTJR]

13 minutes ago, Austinamp said:

I took delivery of my 2021 Sierra 3500HD Denali Black Diamond Edition yesterday. It came with the 275/65/20 Goodyear Wrangler Trail Runner ATs. I was surprised to see that they have the 3 Peak Mountain Snowflake. 

Excellent! Congrats on the new truck, I bet it's a beauty.

 

Most, but not all, of the Trailrunners in LT sizes are 3PMS rated and none of the non-LT are 3PMS rated. Whereas, the DuraTrac have 3PMS in both LT and non-LT sizes. I hope I meant to say earlier is they don't even make a 3PMS version of the Trailrunner in the OP's size of 275/60/20. (Although, I could have just been completely wrong in what I said earlier). They do, however, make a non-LT 3PMS version of the DuraTrac in the OP's size (which was a secondary discussion in the thread).

 

GM probably spec'd the LT, therefore 3PMS, version Trailrunner on your truck because it's an HD. I imagine GM will continue with their non-3PMS, TPC spec'd, Trailrunner on the 1500 series trucks. I no longer live where it snows but if I did I would want a 3PMS rated All-Terrain tire.

 

Nice to see you got the 3PMS rated tires.

 

JMHO

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