Just ordered Hope I dont regret it

[wesd]

Have to agree with the Ford Keypad being a very nice feature, the fobs and apps don't even come close to being as convenient.  I miss that the most off my SuperDuty.

 

Good luck with the new rig, it should be great.

 

I've always found GM to not be as flashy or "forward" as the Ford trucks, but they've held up better long term in my experiences.

 

Back in the day I ordered a 2011 Ford F150 Fx4 crew, was a pretty beast.   Wanted to support Ford for not taking direct bailouts, wanted a new 5.0, etc.   I ended up refusing delivery and bought a 2011 Chevy Silverado Z71 crew instead.  I liked the sound/torque of the 5.3, and the Chevy drove more like a truck, even if it felt a few years behind on the inside.    The $5k extra in my pocket sealed the deal.   There was a time when I was second guessing my decision, but I've had that truck now 10 years, and each time I see that style Ford on the road, I'm glad I made that choice.  

[KARNUT]

I have a couple of vehicles you either put your hand on the handle or push a button on the handle. Then sit down and hit the button on the dashboard to start. You don’t have to use the fob unless it raining and you want to open all doors as you’re walking up to your vehicle. A key pad on the door I would never use. Takes too long. 

[ShotgunZ71]

10 hours ago, Campin5 said:

Curious on what drove you to only keep the gas for a year?  I’m planning on towing 11k fifth wheel camper, about 6k miles a year.  My 5.3, 3.42 pulls a 8000lb trailer perfect so I though the 6.6 gas would be ok for a 11k lb fifth wheel 

 

The main reason was the trade value. I got almost as much on trade as I paid for it. Yeah, I paid more for the diesel, etc this time, but I knew that going in. Both have performed great. I'd still have the gasser if not for the crazy trade values currently.

[jjackkrash]

The Gasser is more than adequate.  The Duramax with the 10 speed is redonkulous.  My 2020 3500 easily holds 70mph over the passes towing a 20K lbs. fiver.  You are going to love that powertrain.  

[nards444]

13 hours ago, KARNUT said:

I have a couple of vehicles you either put your hand on the handle or push a button on the handle. Then sit down and hit the button on the dashboard to start. You don’t have to use the fob unless it raining and you want to open all doors as you’re walking up to your vehicle. A key pad on the door I would never use. Takes too long. 

yeah most vehicles have that now and its handy.  What I was getting at and others is with the key pad it allows a few other things.

 

1. Chevy may be different now.  But you can leave the car running with the keys in the ignition and lock the doors and then unlock it.  Actually just did this with my wifes explorer just left the keys in the car no running locked the doors, and was able to unlock it. 

 

2.  You are never locked out of the car either, never.  Some cases where it has come in handy are if the car is the driveway and you dont have your keys, you can get in, dont have to run to the house.  If the car is parked at a parking lot at say a fair, store, or what have you and the wife wants to run out, or somebody else has the keys you can always get in.

 

TBH before I had fords I didnt think much about it, but once you have one you enjoy it.  I am kind of bummed the GMs dont have the helper heater for diesels like ford does as well.

Edited April 29, 2021 by nards444

[KARNUT]

2 hours ago, nards444 said:

yeah most vehicles have that now and its handy.  What I was getting at and others is with the key pad it allows a few other things.

 

1. Chevy may be different now.  But you can leave the car running with the keys in the ignition and lock the doors and then unlock it.  Actually just did this with my wifes explorer just left the keys in the car no running locked the doors, and was able to unlock it. 

 

2.  You are never locked out of the car either, never.  Some cases where it has come in handy are if the car is the driveway and you dont have your keys, you can get in, dont have to run to the house.  If the car is parked at a parking lot at say a fair, store, or what have you and the wife wants to run out, or somebody else has the keys you can always get in.

 

TBH before I had fords I didnt think much about it, but once you have one you enjoy it.  I am kind of bummed the GMs dont have the helper heater for diesels like ford does as well.

I’ll have to check on my push button vehicles to see if you can lock the doors and leave it running. I know you can drive it without the key. I’ve dropped my wife at the grocery store and parked. She had the key. It buzzed a bit. I would park and locked it. 

[nards444]

2 hours ago, KARNUT said:

I’ll have to check on my push button vehicles to see if you can lock the doors and leave it running. I know you can drive it without the key. I’ve dropped my wife at the grocery store and parked. She had the key. It buzzed a bit. I would park and locked it. 

yeah I would be curious as well.  Thats what I always found odd with security is somebody could drive away with it.

 

even if you can lock the door with the keys in and running how do you get back in?  Guess you could use your phone

[KARNUT]

12 minutes ago, nards444 said:

yeah I would be curious as well.  Thats what I always found odd with security is somebody could drive away with it.

 

even if you can lock the door with the keys in and running how do you get back in?  Guess you could use your phone

You don’t leave the keys. It’s push button start. So if you can lock the door with it running, the keys are already in your pocket.

[nards444]

28 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

You don’t leave the keys. It’s push button start. So if you can lock the door with it running, the keys are already in your pocket.

AHH.  ford doesnt allow that nor does dodge.

[redwngr]

With keyed vehicles - shut it off, get out, lock the door, and use the remote to restart it. 

 

With keyless fob - leave it running and get out, fob required to lock door.  

(I guess so it knows you have the fob and aren't locking yourself out)

 

 

On mine (it's a 1500, but this type of stuff usually the same), the button on door won't lock it with the engine running and fog in pocket -- even though the button will lock it if the engine is off. 

 

 

I have no idea what it does if the GM accessory number pad is added.

Edited April 29, 2021 by redwngr

[ShotgunZ71]

21 hours ago, KARNUT said:

I’ll have to check on my push button vehicles to see if you can lock the doors and leave it running. I know you can drive it without the key. I’ve dropped my wife at the grocery store and parked. She had the key. It buzzed a bit. I would park and locked it. 

 

Not anymore, it seems. I had my truck running while unhooking camper and once done, the wife went to move it. It wouldn't come out of park because I had the FOB in my pocket away from the truck. I don't know if that started for the 2021 models or not. Never tried on my 2020 High Country.

[KARNUT]

33 minutes ago, ShotgunZ71 said:

 

Not anymore, it seems. I had my truck running while unhooking camper and once done, the wife went to move it. It wouldn't come out of park because I had the FOB in my pocket away from the truck. I don't know if that started for the 2021 models or not. Never tried on my 2020 High Country.

It’s probably a good idea especially with remote start. I haven’t tried it with the CRV. My wife’s Hyundai I drove it home without the fob. My key was at home. 

[John FX]

On 4/29/2021 at 11:23 AM, nards444 said:

AHH.  ford doesnt allow that nor does dodge.

I can't speak for the trucks, but I had a 2016 Ford Fusion with push button start and it worked: You could get out with the key in your pocket and leave the car running.
 

BUT... Fords honk at you if you do that. Not a chirp. Full on honk. I have no idea why. As far as I've been able to tell, they still do that, even the 2021s. Its such a stupid thing and one of the main dealbreakers for me to even consider getting a Ford. If I go out and start my truck in the morning and need to run back inside to grab something, I don't want it honking and waking up my kids/neighbors. Thats just ridiculous.

[mrjulian416]

On 4/28/2021 at 11:07 AM, nards444 said:

 

It will do it,  reality is up and down hills, trying to pass etc, the diesel will excel.  Performance wise when comparing trucks the 6.6l gas engine is pretty even with the 6.2l in the half tons, and is only marginally better than the 5.3,  like 50hp and torque better.  Always wondered why the big engines with really ok performance numbers in the 3/4 line,  my only guess is the big motors are probably iron bottoms and or are designed for higher RPM and longevity.

 

In the end if you gas for the 3/4 your buying the performance of the truck its self not really the motor per say.  Gassers do well in straight line and most normal functions. 

 

Me personally I cant understand why the big three dont have gas motors that surpass the 500ft lb of torque in these trucks these days. 

 

You're right in that the diesel will always out pull the large gas engine offerings.  You are also right in that you aren't buying a gas 3/4 ton truck for the 50 extra HP/TQ numbers.  For people on the fence, you go with a 3/4 ton for the "everything is bigger/more stable".  The 6.6 is cast iron block, forged crank, more cooling capacity, more oiling capacity, etc than the 6.2.  It's made not for speed but for longevity running at/near its peak power output at 4k rpm.  The suspension, frame, brakes, axles, curb weight are substantially "more" than a 1/2 ton of any flavor. 

 

While the 1/2 ton can tow 8000lbs "no problem", the difference when towing 8000lbs in a 3/4 ton is night and day on any road or incline... starting or stopping.  And towing 11000lbs with a 6.2 1/2 ton?  I'm sure the brochure says "sure", but no thanks.  With the gas 3/4, towing at the max conventional rating of 14500 means you are still really 4000lbs BELOW what the chassis, brakes, frame, suspension, tires can handle, which means stability and control (diesel 3/4 rated for 18500).

 

And the topic that often gets forgotten when talking tow ratings... payload.  The 1/2 ton with 6.2 appears to be about 2100lbs (a little lower than the 5.3 interestingly).  3/4 ton is 3700lbs.  All that extra tongue weight, spouse, youngest son, older daughter, and daughter's boyfriend adds up faster than people think when you put an 8000lb camper on the bumper of the 1/2 ton.

 

The 6.6 also lacks a few things you get on the 5.3/6.2, such as AFM/DFM, auto-start/stop, no add on modules or gizmos needed.

 

The reason you don't see the big three releasing HD truck gas engines with monster power/torque numbers is because at the end of the day the engine still needs to meet tailpipe AND noise emissions (noise not just muffler noise, but total noise), still get a realistic mileage number, and have the "HD longevity".  Fleet sales drive gas HD sales, and fleet buyers don't care about 0-60 times.  You won't see the rumored 8.1 in the 2500/3500 trucks for these reasons, primarily the mileage and emissions limits.  Of course someone could bolt on several aftermarket mods to their 6.6 and "unleash the latent power" of their engine, but then all four of those factory designed attributes are off the table.

Edited May 3, 2021 by mrjulian416

[nards444]

14 hours ago, mrjulian416 said:

 

You're right in that the diesel will always out pull the large gas engine offerings.  You are also right in that you aren't buying a gas 3/4 ton truck for the 50 extra HP/TQ numbers.  For people on the fence, you go with a 3/4 ton for the "everything is bigger/more stable".  The 6.6 is cast iron block, forged crank, more cooling capacity, more oiling capacity, etc than the 6.2.  It's made not for speed but for longevity running at/near its peak power output at 4k rpm.  The suspension, frame, brakes, axles, curb weight are substantially "more" than a 1/2 ton of any flavor. 

 

While the 1/2 ton can tow 8000lbs "no problem", the difference when towing 8000lbs in a 3/4 ton is night and day on any road or incline... starting or stopping.  And towing 11000lbs with a 6.2 1/2 ton?  I'm sure the brochure says "sure", but no thanks.  With the gas 3/4, towing at the max conventional rating of 14500 means you are still really 4000lbs BELOW what the chassis, brakes, frame, suspension, tires can handle, which means stability and control (diesel 3/4 rated for 18500).

 

And the topic that often gets forgotten when talking tow ratings... payload.  The 1/2 ton with 6.2 appears to be about 2100lbs (a little lower than the 5.3 interestingly).  3/4 ton is 3700lbs.  All that extra tongue weight, spouse, youngest son, older daughter, and daughter's boyfriend adds up faster than people think when you put an 8000lb camper on the bumper of the 1/2 ton.

 

The 6.6 also lacks a few things you get on the 5.3/6.2, such as AFM/DFM, auto-start/stop, no add on modules or gizmos needed.

 

The reason you don't see the big three releasing HD truck gas engines with monster power/torque numbers is because at the end of the day the engine still needs to meet tailpipe AND noise emissions (noise not just muffler noise, but total noise), still get a realistic mileage number, and have the "HD longevity".  Fleet sales drive gas HD sales, and fleet buyers don't care about 0-60 times.  You won't see the rumored 8.1 in the 2500/3500 trucks for these reasons, primarily the mileage and emissions limits.  Of course someone could bolt on several aftermarket mods to their 6.6 and "unleash the latent power" of their engine, but then all four of those factory designed attributes are off the table.

You hit the nail on the head with the payload, and so many people miss that.  I kind of chuckle at the people that say I can haul 20k or 30k,  sure you probably can, but is it legal and safe?  realistically you will bust payload before tow capacity every time.  Even on a 3/4 ton you start talking heavy loads, whats tongue weight, whats the weight of your over weight buddies that you crammed in it,  do you have a 500lb tool box in the truck.

 

Yeah and with a half ton these 10-11k numbers are kind of iffy, specially when you figure payload in that equation.  The real world numbers is probably closer to 8 maybe 9 if you are lucky.  I have hauled my 10k boat with a half ton and its real iffy thats why I bumped up.  Half tons really excel at things less than 5-6k lbs, and couldnt see wasting money on a larger rig if I was  hauling that kind of weight