Some Assembly is Required

KARNUT · May 21

Some people love their vehicles. My wife says unless I can find a low mileage replica. A new engine, transmission or paint job is going to happen with her car if necessary. It’s a high mileage cream puff worth about 6K. The new replacement is about 60K. So a 10K engine and transmission replacement, no problem.

Grumpy Bear · May 22

4 hours ago, asilverblazer said:

As an example, Grumpy, If, someone hit your truck and caved in the driver's door to the point it won't open and close. Repair estimate in the 4-5K maybe as high as 10K range. What would your course of action be?

Fix it.

Cost tells me what someone else want's. Worth is what others will pay. I don't pay much attention to worth. Worth retail? Wholesale? Private sale? Auction? Salvage? Insured total? All are different but it's same vehicle. They exist to make someone other than me money on that trade/purchase. :idiot: Value? That is mine to determine.

Value is personal and her value to me is more than her worth to anyone else. Value isn't shared experience like the market is. Part of that value is in knowing that each time I put the key in her she will cost me money and that number is far lower than anything currently being build that would be a direct replacement if there were such a thing. There isn't. But that's just part of it.

I bought that truck for about 50 cents on the dollar with thirteen hundred miles on it. It was headed to auction. "Nobody" wanted it. YUCK A 6!! RCSB with a 300 hp V6. My best current dealer offer was recently a few thousand more than it listed for. "Somebody" wants in now but not beat to crap and worn out. She's not for sale. But tell ya what. If she got bumped for a $10K, that cost and what I paid for it is still less than that offer. As impressive as that is....I don't care about that.

She is reliable, economical in every sense of the word, sharp and fun to drive. What are they selling now that would tempt me? Nothing. They don't build this truck anymore. I can add another but not replace her. Priceless.

And still, if it were compacted between to Semi trucks, unfixable. She already owns me nothing. I'm not out a penny. That sir is value. IMHO.

Edited May 22 by Grumpy Bear

garagerog · May 22

Local Chev dealer sent me an e-mail with their featured vehicles. Every single one of them was an $80K+ p/u truck and sure enough when we drove by there this am on the way to an early am med procedure for my wife, same ones were lined up front row. I would dehydrate so I wouldn't have to pee for a good while, buy a base Stingray C8, drive the snot out of it and have some fun before they had to use an engine hoist to get my old bones out. I'd rather take the depreciation on a "lightly used" life long dream than pay $80k for a gussied up utilitarian vehicle.

KARNUT · May 22

I let my family members buy them now days. They come over to let me drive them all proud. I thrash on them for a few minutes. Hand them back and happily drive my payment free old stuff.

asilverblazer · May 22

17 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Fix it. ...

...And still, if it were compacted between to Semi trucks, unfixable. She already owns me nothing.

Not faulting your opinion, the problem I have with 'fixing it' is that they are never the same afterwards.

I factor repairability in there somewhere. Watching crash test videos, seeing the impact literally ripple from bumper to bumper, it'll never be 'straight' again. It becomes a sad story of "it was such a great truck..." I worked hard on it, took care, of it, maintained it well, it looked great...

I suppose that's when you land at your last point. To me it's hard to walk away from a certain level of 'investment', whether it's taking time to fix, maintain and repair an otherwise 'unseemly' vehicle. I've had several experiences finding myself with vehicles that I put quite a bit into, time, repairs, maintenance, effort, improvements, $. For various reasons, they're no longer around, some I made money on, some I lost, some I broke even. Some I'm glad are gone, some I wish I'd kept, none of them I HAD to get rid of. Circumstances at the time just didn't warrant keeping them in the driveway. I've found that regardless, most of them aren't in my driveway much past 5 years. My favorite and best was around for about 15 years.

However, the current fleet, the Yukon my wife drives, and the Silverado look like they'll surpass the average, nothing new is compelling enough.

The Yukon though is starting to show some age, door dings, fading plastics, more rattles, wear on the interior surfaces all cosmetic, but soon will follow drivetrain wear, wheel bearings, cv-boots/shafts, ball joints, tie-rods and bushings, many non-serviceable, 170k miles, 10 years old, close to the point where the maintenance tab is going to go up, marketable value is about to go off a cliff. To me, its end of life soon, the minor cosmetic issues will start becoming eyesores. Minor complaints will become major annoyances with no practical resolution. Finding interior rattles, nope. Recovering arm rests, new steering wheel cover, polishing or replacing plastics, fix all the door dings for a new one tomorrow. (Things a new one would be subject to, too.) Death by a thousand annoyances or one major item (a locked-up engine from poor maintenance :lol: ).

Just lease one.

Grumpy Bear · May 23

5 hours ago, asilverblazer said:

Not faulting your opinion, the problem I have with 'fixing it' is that they are never the same afterwards.

There are a few situations where I walk away. Flood or fire damage and major hail damage. The afore mentioned trapped between two semi trucks and rolled into a ball of tin foil. Tornado and flipped on her top. :crackup:

But those are also salvage situations. Have an uncle that bought a 36 Ford with a 60 horse flathead that transplanted the motor/trans into numerous vehicles eventually logging a million on the power train. Valves were lapped about 300K miles. Eventually it ended up as a working display for the Anamosa School district's auto shop program. Finally laid to rest when he was. It was his first ride. 36 C cab.

Grumpy Bear · July 2

I Wouldn't Know Where to Begin

Oh I know where I would begin but I'm just one of over eight billion people on this rock. Eight billion versions of where the goal post is. How large it should be. How far to kick from. What ball is the right ball. Elevation. Age.....are you getting the point? It isn't about disagreeing with one individual. It's about agreeing only with one individual. One's self.

Agreement comes when multiple people hold the same point. THAT is the goal of an education. Building the Social Contract. That thing that allows us to all read this sentence. We've agreed on the alphabet and how to arrange those letters into words we agree upon whose meanings hold true for everyone entering into that contract. Those words arranged into a sentence form an idea and several sentences strung together in a paragraph convey an argument for or against or inform the reader of a state, condition or perhaps reveal a things nature. Paint a word picture. Make oneself known.

This contract is not limited to words although they are often explained by words. Things like numbers and their usefulness. Physics, Chemistry, Medicine, Music, Art and so on.

The frequency of middle C (C4) is 261.63 Hz is a first principle, not a suggestion. We build on that to make music we all can enjoy even if we all can not compose or play. You don't have to master it to make it enjoyable and useful.

So why is the Beginning so difficult? Why is agreement so elusive?

Everyone "Signs" the contract (when receiving that education in obtaining it) but fewer and fewer in this world have any intention of living by that contract. They find exploiting that contract more advantageous. Disruption. With intent. Without intent. In Ignorance. In your face. With a double dog dare you. With a hold my beer. In resistance to that contract and in spite how it looks on us. It permeates the very air we breath.

In this way the contract is subject to advantage. Abide by it when it serves you, disregard it when it doesn't. Unpredictable and self-serving. Corrosive.....Toxic........

It says a lot about a persons character to disregard the contract, the truth, first principles. None of it good.

:rant:

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https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/character-vs-personality-who-we-are-and-who-we-aspire-to-be/

Just an interesting article.

Edited July 3 by Grumpy Bear

Grumpy Bear · July 9

Disassembly may be Required!

Every blender makes claims but do you ponder those claims? What was really said? Was it true? Motive for saying it? What does in infer? Is that inference true?

Let's do one.

Claim: Made from shear stable base oils.

What was said: Base Oils are shear proof.

Was it true: Yes. ALL base oils are Newtonian.

Motive / Inference: To imply the fully formulated product is Shear Proof.

Is the Inference true?: Most fully formulated multigrade oils contain Viscosity Modifiers or VM's, sometimes called VII or Viscosity Index Improvers. There are four types. One is in fact shear proof but it also has a bad effect on extreme cold flow and is restricted to use in specialty oils. A second has limited shear called a 0-5 SSI polymer. Meaning its shear is limited to a range of zero to five percent as reported by the ASTM D6278 Shear Stability Index test. A few high end oils, like Torco SR-5, use them and brag about it profusely. Actually all that use it point it out. The last two shear dramatically and are often marketed as a 'feature' of the product aiding the oil to meet fuel standard requirements of ever stricter rules. One shears more than 5% and the other up to 20%. As you make guess, cost is directly linked to shear down and as such the majority of oils use the cheapest organic polymers sold to make grade and pass stringent tests.

PPD's or Pour Point Depressants also shear a bit, only a few percent and hide inside the 0-5 SSI capabilities.

The blender knows he can not out engineer Stribeck. Physics is not a suggestion. But he can wordcraft the unsuspecting toward believing a false claims INFERENCE. This is LEGAL. It is COMMON, and it is EFFECTIVE.

Grumpy Bear · July 11

Assembly Turorial

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/here-s-how-cruise-control-actually-impacts-fuel-consumption/ar-AA1MJ3a4

Take the time to read the link and the document linked note how the writer parses the wording to reach unspoken information that is just as important as the information presented on face.

Same procedure works for marketing presentations.

Maybe you might wish to reconsider;

'Critical Thinking'.

Edited July 11 by Grumpy Bear

OnTheReel · July 11

Was checking out a 39 Buick at a charity auction and found the statement on the cover of the owners manual interesting. What it can do for you, and what YOU can do for IT? Framing your ownership as a two way relationship! Seems this type of thinking is all but gone with the non-enthusiasts, and something like that would never be printed on the cover of a manual. It would likely offend people. Hey, I just spent two years salary on an SUV and it has the nerve to request anything back from me????

Grumpy Bear · July 11

2 hours ago, OnTheReel said:

Hey, I just spent two years salary on an SUV and it has the nerve to request anything back from me????

Yea..... :rollin: :thumbs:

Grumpy Bear · July 13

Average Assembly

4.8%

That's the likelihood of a light duty vehicle reaching 250,000 miles. Link below has the stats on this. Among pickups the 350 series (Dodge) and higher (450 Ford) are most likely and nothing American built in the lighter trucks pegs a number higher than the overall average. 200K and up is the stomping grounds of Asian vehicles. Toyota Sequoia the leader at 39.1% probability.

https://www.autoweek.com/news/a68886903/vehicles-most-likely-to-last-over-250000-miles/

Likelihood drops dramatically at 100,000 miles of reaching even 150,000 miles. 250,000 is deep in the tail of the curve.

I've been told by the 'experts' that I don't need oils of the caliber I use. My high viscosity is damaging my motors. Ash content is to high and WILL foul plugs and kill cats and O2's. I don't need that much ZDP; my choice is over added and not cutting edge. I change it to often. I baby them to much.

Three Honda's reached 200K + and none used oil. All Red Line motors. All sold to friends or family. One Toyota reached 300K using oil, Pennzoil. Dizzy 300K using QSUD until it cashed the rings at 80K then whatever but often ever since. Did you know this engine still sports the OEM timing chain and is dead silent? Pepper spitting into the wind short of 200K, Red Line and changed often. Uses zero oil. A HPFP and a pinion seal. Still using most parts it left Fort Wayne with. So 50% of my vehicles have gone past 250K and 100% of the last half dozen past 200K. Of these two using "shelf oils' did so using abnormal oil and the four that used a premium boutique oil did not. There might be something there the experts have missed.

Edited July 13 by Grumpy Bear

OnTheReel · July 13

Break-in reality check? Very strange to such a cautious (and threatening) break-in procedure on a 2026 vehicle but yet Ram deemed this necessary on their DC650 sport truck.
This is a stock 5.7 Hemi with a blower bolted onto it. Internally nothing different from the engine in millions of other trucks, so why the “excessive” break-in? And why then wouldn’t a “normal” truck also benefit from following it? Rhetorical questions of course…

KARNUT · July 13

39 minutes ago, OnTheReel said:

Break-in reality check? Very strange to such a cautious (and threatening) break-in procedure on a 2026 vehicle but yet Ram deemed this necessary on their DC650 sport truck.
This is a stock 5.7 Hemi with a blower bolted onto it. Internally nothing different from the engine in millions of other trucks, so why the “excessive” break-in? And why then wouldn’t a “normal” truck also benefit from following it? Rhetorical questions of course…

Yeah they all have break in procedures I completely ignored in the past. During tests drives I would test them out. It seems today they’re sensitive so it’s probably a good idea to follow the procedure. The other would be changing the oil more frequently in the beginning.

Atlas · July 13

8 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Average Assembly

4.8%

That's the likelihood of a light duty vehicle reaching 250,000 miles. Link below has the stats on this. Among pickups the 350 series (Dodge) and higher (450 Ford) are most likely and nothing American built in the lighter trucks pegs a number higher than the overall average. 200K and up is the stomping grounds of Asian vehicles. Toyota Sequoia the leader at 39.1% probability.

https://www.autoweek.com/news/a68886903/vehicles-most-likely-to-last-over-250000-miles/

Likelihood drops dramatically at 100,000 miles of reaching even 150,000 miles. 250,000 is deep in the tail of the curve.

I've been told by the 'experts' that I don't need oils of the caliber I use. My high viscosity is damaging my motors. Ash content it to high and WILL foul plugs and kill cats and O2's. I don't need that much ZDP; my choice is over added and not cutting edge. I change it to often. I baby them to much.

Three Honda's reached 200K + and none used oil. All Red Line motors. All sold to friends or family. One Toyota reached 300K using oil, Pennzoil. Dizzy 300K using QSUD until it cashed the rings at 80K then whatever but often ever since. Did you know this engine still sports the OEM timing chain and is dead silent? Pepper spitting into the wind short of 200K, Red Line and changed often. Uses zero oil. A HPFP and a pinion seal. Still using most parts it left Fort Wayne with. So 50% of my vehicles have gone past 250K and 100% of the last half dozen past 200K. Of these two using "shelf oils' did so using abnormal oil and the four that used a premium boutique oil did not. There might be something there the experts have missed.

0w20 is recommended in the Sequoia. 0w16 in the Highlander Hybrid.

I think you make a compelling case for both the quality and frequency of maintenance but I wouldn't go so far as to plot a linear relationship between longevity and oil weight

The list is interesting and leaves me with some questions. The Silverado 1500 is 12.9% likely while the GMC Sierra 1500 is only 10.8% likely. Arguably, they're the same truck, so other factors must be influencing the outcome.

The Honda Odyssey ranks #12 at 13% likely. Great. Rest assured we'll never stop hearing about the dang thing LOL.

There's a bit of a spread between the 4Runner (32.9%) and Tacoma (25.3%). Both overlap on the same 4.0 for many years although the Tacoma used a 3.5 for the last 10-12ish. I wonder if that's related to use-case or if it's suggesting the 3.5 isn't quite as up to the task, or maybe something else fails mechanically.

Ram at 3.5% overall likely, but the Ram 3500 holds the top spot on the Heavy Duty Models at 39.7%. One might say the Cummins is a ringer and provides an unfair advantage. I don't think it's fair/accurate to pit the GM Fullsize 1500's in a list with HD's which are basically medium-duty wearing a 3500 badge.

The Tahoe and Suburban hold spots #15 and #8, respectively, on the longest lasting SUV's list. What's the difference? One's got a shorter butt, unless they're also counting the 2500/3500 Suburbans in those numbers.

The GMC Canyon gets a 1.4% increase over its twin brother Colorado. Why, because it's prettier?

SO many questions...