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vettelovralexand Enthusiast

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Cliff's notes:

 

Ford 6.2 was quicker than hemi and vortec in all towing tests but the hemi was the fastest unloaded. Ford got 1st in the HD gas shootout.

 

Duramax and Powerstroke were fairly close in all contests with the Duramax typically leading by a small amount of time in all unloaded and loaded tests. It also managed the best unloaded mpg.(statements are true for 2500 and 3500 tests) They also said that the GM trucks had the new benchmark for chassis and steering while criticizing their interiors for a lack of gizmos, materials, and fit and finish compared to the other two. GM trucks took both the 3/4 and 1 ton diesel wins based on the scoring by pickuptrucks.com.

Shawn T Enthusiast

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I test drove both the diesel and the gasser on Friday, and there is definitely a huge steering and ride improvement. The duramax is a monster, but GM needs to up the ante and start stuffing the 6.2L in the HD's. The 6.0 seems lacking, when trying to move around a 7500lb crew cab 3500 (only one they had on the lot). The fully boxed, hydroformed frames are visibly shorter and the springs and torsion bars are visibly beefier. I do agree, the interior needs a refresh and more options. Also noticed that god awful urea tank is anchored like a saddle bag on the outside of the frame just below the passenger side door.

 

BTW Ford makes a 400 HP/ 800 Ft-lb Powerstroke?

Z45 Senior Enthusiast

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Local dealer just got a 2011 HD Denali Duramax on Sat. I was looking at it and the truck sits high and that should appeal to some buyers. It had a sticker of $58,006.00 Nice truck in all black. Its appears to be a stock unit as its sitting out in front this am and when I went by there was a couple driving a Ford looking it over closely.

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I test drove both the diesel and the gasser on Friday, and there is definitely a huge steering and ride improvement. The duramax is a monster, but GM needs to up the ante and start stuffing the 6.2L in the HD's. The 6.0 seems lacking, when trying to move around a 7500lb crew cab 3500 (only one they had on the lot). The fully boxed, hydroformed frames are visibly shorter and the springs and torsion bars are visibly beefier. I do agree, the interior needs a refresh and more options. Also noticed that god awful urea tank is anchored like a saddle bag on the outside of the frame just below the passenger side door.

 

BTW Ford makes a 400 HP/ 800 Ft-lb Powerstroke?

 

 

Ford re-flashed the computer on all new production 2011's. The 2011's already out there on the streets can take their truck in to get the new re-flash on the computer. Pickuptrucks.com asked for the V2.0 Powerstroke but Ford declined to deliver. Mike Levine at PUTC.com said it wouldn't have mattered, GM still would've won.

 

Supposedly all GM gas engines will be replaced in the coming years with direct injected engines, probably at the next re-design (2013-2014).

 

It's been said over and over that the current 6.2L is not heavy duty enough for HD truck applications.

 

Rumor is the HD gas engine will be the direct injected 7.0L....we'll see.

Mcguinness Enthusiast

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I am happy with mine and don't feel that an extra 20 or 30 horses would make any big difference,That is for what i use my truck for I will never need to max out all it's towing capacity or have any need for more horses. Plus the 6.0 litre can take a hell of a beating and is a great engine that is hard to kill...

Having said that a lot of people just want bragging rights and I'm fine with that!!!

revrnd Senior Enthusiast

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Also noticed that god awful urea tank is anchored like a saddle bag on the outside of the frame just below the passenger side door.

 

The dealer had a loaded K2500HD crew cab in their lot when I was by yesterday. I saw the same thing. Not really protected IMO. No skid plate & I wonder how they'll mount steps or running boards?

Prokopchuk_9 Senior Enthusiast

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nice review, GM will step up with the gasser HP ratings. not worried about that too much, but did you look at the duramax SRW and duallie difference in 1/4 mile times....the dually was faster????? the truck weighed more and its a duallie. i dont get it....you'd think a truck that weighed more and has two extra wheels would be significantly slower but i guess not.

vettelovralexand Enthusiast

vettelovralexand

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nice review, GM will step up with the gasser HP ratings. not worried about that too much, but did you look at the duramax SRW and duallie difference in 1/4 mile times....the dually was faster????? the truck weighed more and its a duallie. i dont get it....you'd think a truck that weighed more and has two extra wheels would be significantly slower but i guess not.

 

Dually had more tires on the ground and more significantly...no traction control. That is no doubt why there was such a difference.

P71_CrownVic Senior Enthusiast

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cliff notes for us mobile users?

 

GM has a superior diesel, ride, frame, handling, and braking

 

Ford's "brand new" 6.2 left them underwhelmed.

 

Dodge won nothing.

K20and2500HD Enthusiast

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what I don't get is why in the previous HD shootout the 6.0L dominated the gassers. In this test its 0-60 time was more than 2.0 seconds slower, along with the other tests, if you use 2007's numbers the 6.0L is still the best in 2011. I guess the extra 300lbs. made the difference or it just goes to show you that not all motors run the same even though they are built exactly the same. You could have 10 6.0L sitting in your driveway and after awhile you could tell us which ones are the bulls and which one is the dog. What I mean is that I think the gasser that chevy sent was a pooch. Atleast that's what I'm blaming it on.

hotbread597 Enthusiast

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Another interesting bit of information regarding the 6.0L Gas in this 2011 shootout. I looked up the rear differential ratio on the 2011 2500HD 6.0L and it is only 3.73. In the article they list it as a 4.10. Not sure if they had a special order, but I doubt it. They makes a pretty large difference when Ford has there 6.2 mated to a 6 speed automatic with similar gearing to the GM six speed automatic, yet it is a 4.30 rear differential. I think even though the GM 6.0L has less power/torque, I think had the GM had a 4.10 rear differential ratio or if you could get a 4.30 rear differential ratio, it might have faired much different in this competition. Anyways just my thoughts.

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