Oil catch can?

[ghgmi]

Is there a site that tracks which makes/engines are known to have deposit issues on their DI engines?

[Silverado-Hareek]

Is there a site that tracks which makes/engines are known to have deposit issues on their DI engines?

 

All DI engines have deposit issues. It's inherent to the design of a direct injection engine regardless of make or model. There really isn't anything to track in that regard.

Edited August 19, 2015 by Silverado-Hareek

[Spurshot]

What's surprising to me is how much performance loss - gain people related about commercially available intake treatments for relatively small deposits.

Edited August 19, 2015 by spurshot

[ghgmi]

 

All DI engines have deposit issues. It's inherent to the design of a direct injection engine regardless of make or model. There really isn't anything to track in that regard.

 

But I have only actually seen issues reported for the German makes. Are there others?

[newdude]

 

But I have only actually seen issues reported for the German makes. Are there others?

 

Ecoboost: https://www.bgprod.com/bgfueltest/ They had dyno results to back up their claims.

 

Ford recently stated this: http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2014/12/induction-service-cleaners-can-damage-ford-ecoboost-engines.html

Edited August 19, 2015 by 15HDriver

[Silverado-Hareek]

 

But I have only actually seen issues reported for the German makes. Are there others?

Yes it's true that the German makes had problems that manifested rather quickly but regardless, all DI engines will eventually have problems from deposit build up on the valves. The thing with the German makes is the problems showed up before the warranty period was up which isn't good for the manufacturer. I'm sure all DI engines are now designed to make it through the warranty and then the problems will really start mounting.

 

Also I believe early DI engines in Cadillacs had a lot of problems like the German makes. It seems to be more related to when the design came out and not really who released it.

 

Toyota is the only manufacturer I know of attempting to fix the problem by designing a system that sprays fuel on the backs of the valves at various intervals to clean them.

 

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Edited August 19, 2015 by Silverado-Hareek

[Jsdirt]

........ I'm sure all DI engines are now designed to make it through the warranty and then the problems will really start mounting. .......

 

 

That, you can bet on.

[ghgmi]

Yes it's true that the German makes had problems that manifested rather quickly but regardless, all DI engines will eventually have problems from deposit build up on the valves. The thing with the German makes is the problems showed up before the warranty period was up which isn't good for the manufacturer. I'm sure all DI engines are now designed to make it through the warranty and then the problems will really start mounting.

 

Also I believe early DI engines in Cadillacs had a lot of problems like the German makes. It seems to be more related to when the design came out and not really who released it.

 

Toyota is the only manufacturer I know of attempting to fix the problem by designing a system that sprays fuel on the backs of the valves at various intervals to clean them.

 

The veracity of your statement which I bolded is what I'm trying to figure out. I have no argument against it, but I still want to see evidence.

 

There are fewer vehicles without DI available each year. By the time I'm ready to buy, there may be none, or at least none that otherwise interest me. I'd like this problem solved by then. How will I know?

[TxSkawzall]

Anyone concerned about the LACK of oil in the intake manifold, and on the valves, with a catchcan, leading to early hour valve recession? I think the consensus is oil in the intake is bad, but has anyone reached out to GM engineering to find out if a certain amount of oil in the intake is needed for proper valve function?

[Silverado-Hareek]

 

The veracity of your statement which I bolded is what I'm trying to figure out. I have no argument against it, but I still want to see evidence.

 

There are fewer vehicles without DI available each year. By the time I'm ready to buy, there may be none, or at least none that otherwise interest me. I'd like this problem solved by then. How will I know?

 

The evidence is out there. Reduced airflow, sticking valves.....lots of information on the internet.

 

Anyone concerned about the LACK of oil in the intake manifold, and on the valves, with a catchcan, leading to early hour valve recession? I think the consensus is oil in the intake is bad, but has anyone reached out to GM engineering to find out if a certain amount of oil in the intake is needed for proper valve function?

 

If oil was necessary for the valves to function, they would have designed an oiling system for it, not adding baffles and working to reduce the amount of oil getting on the valves and being consumed in the engine through the PCV system.

[Jsdirt]

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If oil was necessary for the valves to function, they would have designed an oiling system for it, .......

Well, this is GM we're talking about here ... so maybe not!

[chevy2tuff2006]

Well, this is GM we're talking about here ... so maybe not!

Also if oil was needed in the intake the cameros zl1/z28 and vettes wouldn't have catch cans on them from the factory.....just saying. It's obviously it's not good to have oil going through the intake.

[RobZ71LM7]

What's surprising to me is how much performance loss - gain people related about commercially available intake treatments for relatively small deposits.

 

I personally think the one post that started that long thread is a placebo effect.

[ghgmi]

Also if oil was needed in the intake the cameros zl1/z28 and vettes wouldn't have catch cans on them from the factory.....just saying. It's obviously it's not good to have oil going through the intake.

 

z28s and Corvettes have catch cans from the factory? I can believe they added baffles to the PCV path, but catch cans? That the customer has to empty?

Edited August 21, 2015 by ghgmi

[RyanbabZ71]

1LE camaros do come with the clean side seperator

 

 

Ryan