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10 things the F150 got wrong

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KMGZ400 Senior Enthusiast

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The biggest advantage that Ford has is Allan Mulally as a leader. He's fearless and pushing them well beyond GMs comfort zone.

 

I wouldn't bad mouth anything they are doing because they will just continue to kick ass n take more marketshare...!

 

Could you explain what GMs comfort zone is? Kick ass and take more market share? Where are you getting this from? I'm not brand loyal at all but this crap your spewing is unreal

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kstruckcountry Senior Enthusiast

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"Isn't GM putting there eggs in old tech engines and relying on cylinder deactivation to save your ass."

 

Come on man, old tech? There isn't much on the new engines that isn't new. If you consider pushrods a hindrance, you can think that, have fun with your 5 ft timing chain. DOD is pretty common. No I don't like it, trust me the MPG laws aren't the only ones I don't like. If you think putting in a motor from a fiesta is the answer, good for you.

 

If mileage matters to you, hook up your 2.7 ecoboost to a camper. Hook up a GM, 5.3 or 6.2, hell even 4.3 v6 and drive with the same load. I guarandamntee you THE GM PLANTS WILL GET BETTER MPG with the load.

 

If you really wanna have fun, head to the mountains, where I'm SURE the boost will make the 2.7 pull JUST FINE. /sarc

KMGZ400 Senior Enthusiast

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Consider 700 lb wt loss should yield 2-3 mpg

Plus improved aerodynamics yield 1-2 mpg

Plus efficient little 2.7 EB yields 2-3 mpg

That can give current 22 mpg in 3.5 EB a gain of 27-30 mpg and use 28 mpg as avg... It's realistic...!!!

 

Plus when Ford adds the new RWD 10-speed auto that should add another 2-3 mpg... !!!

 

 

All of this with class leading capabilities!!!

 

Your GM... What's ur response, what do u do?

 

But the current EB dosent get 22 MPG... Dealt with a few and they don't get anywhere near 22mpg

kstruckcountry Senior Enthusiast

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Sorry bud, there is nothing "class leading" about MPG from a 2.7 towing. You can speculate all you want man, wait til they come out and you buy one and pull 9000 pounds with it to tell us how great it does.

 

Just make sure you get the "TOWING" frame so you can prove us all wrong, wouldn't wanna get a truck you can't pull with would ya??

Silverado Steve Senior Enthusiast

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GM isn't leading? Last i checked, GM is the first of the BIg 3 to reintroduce a midsize truck...let alone offer a diesel powerplant in the same segment. Where's Ford? That awesome 2.7 in the global Ranger may get 30 mpgs based on your calculations...again where's Ford?

Imcrazy Senior Enthusiast

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The only reason F-150 is the best selling truck is because they go to pot in a hurry and need replaced, for some reason the fan boys keep buying em. How many 15-25 year old F-series trucks do you see running around vs general motors, GM trucks last so they sell a few less of em. Thats just one of my theories. I've not driven an Eco boost, they we're outta my price range the 3.7 V6 seemed pretty gutless compared to my 4.3.

Imcrazy Senior Enthusiast

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Also, I don't want to be Fords guinea pig for their new great, always recalled technology. I like my truck tried and true not some whiz bang technology new fangled monkey business from an Airplane engineer, its a truck it should have a steel frame and be able to tow at least 6k lbs.

truckofwinandawesome Senior Enthusiast

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Here's another key pout to consider - Intellectual Property rights - new tech know-how that Ford is compiling with both EcoBoost and aluminum mfg.

 

It took GM 3-years to deliver the 3.6 TT after Fords 3.5 EB

 

Ford announced 112 new parents with this aluminum mfg plus the patents they already own from aluminum mfg at Jaguar n Land Rover.

 

It will take competition years to reverse engineer around Fords patented technologies and they are bringing more n more tech back in house as a stronger competitive advantage.

 

GMs decision to stay with big old tech V8s is not the future... It's gonna be a Big problem for GM to catch-up as Ford continues to extend their tech lead... And next it will be aluminum Mfgr in all Ford vehicles over time that will give them a big advantage... It's all because Ford CEO Alan Mulally came from Boeing use of aluminum and he's an engineer too...!

 

because GM wants the 3.6 to LAST, and not be sitting in the Dealer Service Department to the point where the Vehicle owner Enacts Lemon Law!

 

EDIT: Were you NOT PAYING ATTENTION to my Original Post, where I explained that Aluminum is A LOT HARDER to Repair, and with the Skill Required to Repair it, it commands a PREMIUM PRICE? (which will be likely reflected in both the MSRP of the Vehicle and the Repair Costs!)

Daryl LBZ Senior Enthusiast

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Regardless of whether a motor like the Ecoboost is reliable or not, I feel like GM needs to offer something similar for the people who have an interest in buying a truck with that type of engine.

 

KMGZ400 Senior Enthusiast

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Regardless of whether a motor like the Ecoboost is reliable or not, I feel like GM needs to offer something similar for the people who have an interest in buying a truck with that type of engine.

I don't know if there is much of a market for people who want that engine.. At least where I live. I'm sure it's different elsewhere. It would be a whole different story if it actually got 22 city mpg.. But it gets worse mpg then a 5.3

j-ten-ner Senior Enthusiast

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Regardless of whether a motor like the Ecoboost is reliable or not, I feel like GM needs to offer something similar for the people who have an interest in buying a truck with that type of engine.

There is nothing wrong with a 1.6L four banger and three turbos in a F150 or Sierra/Silverado or RAM.

 

But don't try to sell it to me as a truck...

 

:crackup:

so long

j-ten-ner

Daryl LBZ Senior Enthusiast

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My thought was that "supposedly" Ford sells a good bit of the Ecoboost so I would imagine GM would sell a decent amount of them too. Would I buy one... never, but I bet a good bit of others would. I would buy a diesel or big V8 first. Just gives them more options that's all.

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