New 2017 aluminum Ford Raptor - Ecoboost only?!

[BlackZ71Silverado]

Ford is going to see a decrease in their truck saled for sure. For whatever reason, they continue to jam their tiny turbo charged engines down the throats of their customers.

When they finally do phase out their V8 engines, that's when their sales number will decline drastically IMO. They even play V8 ehaust sound through the stereo speakers in an attempt to give the customer that V8 growl, pathetic.

[MikeNH]

Ford is going to see a decrease in their truck saled for sure. For whatever reason, they continue to jam their tiny turbo charged engines down the throats of their customers.

When they finally do phase out their V8 engines, that's when their sales number will decline drastically IMO. They even play V8 ehaust sound through the stereo speakers in an attempt to give the customer that V8 growl, pathetic.

 

 

People are drinking the kool aid. EcoBoost accounts for more than half their sales now on the F-150.

[GPGuy]

Ford is going to see a decrease in their truck saled for sure. For whatever reason, they continue to jam their tiny turbo charged engines down the throats of their customers.

When they finally do phase out their V8 engines, that's when their sales number will decline drastically IMO. They even play V8 ehaust sound through the stereo speakers in an attempt to give the customer that V8 growl, pathetic.

 

Seriously?... Ok I didn't know that...

 

 

People are drinking the kool aid. EcoBoost accounts for more than half their sales now on the F-150.

It's because it has the word "ECO" in it...the world has gone ecology crazy... I could go on but I think I'll leave it at that..

[BlackZ71Silverado]

If that's the case, people should love GM's newly named "ECO"tec3 engines. What you said about the "eco" nonsense is sadly true and GM is fully on board now after kicking the "Vortec" name from every current production engine. I just hope they don't follow Fords lead on the tiny engines boosted for maximum performance and short term reliability.

 

I will be in the market for a new pickup in a few years and if GM does what Ford is doitnow, my new truck/trucks will not be GM.

 

 

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[robvas]

The only thing people are complaining about is 'V6'. If you look at just the horsepower/torque numbers there's no question of whether you'd want the EcoBoost or not.

 

 

The power numbers are nothing to sneeze at.

 

 

The only complaint you could possibly have is that it doesn't sound like a V8.

[MikeNH]

Those numbers are outdated and reflect gen IV GM V8s. The gen V have more power and the 6.2 spanks it. Plus I do have concerns over a boosted engine long term, especially as many people are tightwads who'll use cheap no name gas in them. I'd run premium regardless of the claims its ok on 87. You have to be leaving tons of power on the table with regular.

[BlackZ71Silverado]

The number you posted are exactly what Ford wants you to do. Their V6 with the turbos are tuned for maximum power output all the time and that's not a good thing. These engines are not going to last over the long haul and there have been plenty of documented issues that Ford has been working on. The MPG numbers have been proven to be inflated, just ask the EcoBoost owners, the numbers are not even close in the real world. If a turbo engine is what you are interested in, go get an F150 but don't expect it to last very long.

 

I would much rather a V8 engine over these small boosted engines every day of the week. Turbos are just not for me, some like them and some don't. Ford is targeting a certain market pushing these turbos. The younger 'fast & furious' jap car crowd is what they are attracting, good for them.

[Smoothbassman]

I will never buy a V6 truck myself due to the sound. I have driven the Ecoboost that my buddy owns and it's no slouch. Impressed with the power that it has, but pushing an engine that hard with twin turbos can't last very long. We will see. Ford is kicking ass right now. Sales are up with the new platform, forcing GM to get those revisions to the platform out.

[crafferty]

If Ford drops the V8 from their light duty truck lineup they won't see much of a hit at all. The EcoBoost sales to date as of November were up about 45% and that same money 63% of F150's sold were EcoBoost. I think the biggest hurdle for any automaker is getting older people to realize that displacement isn't king anymore. Time and time again it has been proven that smaller engines with boost can yield or better results than its bigger counter parts. Formula 1 racing is a great example of this. I am by no means an EcoBoost lover as I want my truck to have a V8 hence why I purchased another 6.2L but I do understand the idea and benefits of the small engines as well.

[Cowpie]

If that's the case, people should love GM's newly named "ECO"tec3 engines. What you said about the "eco" nonsense is sadly true and GM is fully on board now after kicking the "Vortec" name from every current production engine.

 

 

Except the L96 6.0L still in full production. Still a Vortec.

[GPGuy]

More parts, more issues...simple mathematics.

 

I remember how Consumer Distorts used to always give the Toyota Corolla glowing reliability reviews....which made me laugh because there was virtually nothing to those cars...I don't even think at the time that a radio was standard... Then when they started putting more options in them issues started cropping up.

 

Keep the engines simple and you will keep the reliability, which appears to be the way GM is going. Hope they keep it up.

[milligan]

I agree with the reliability comments as well. The 5.3L V8 is a proven engine that will go 250k+ no problem. Having to replace/rebuild turbos at 150k is not what I want to be doing with my daily driver. I've had turbo sports cars and they are a blast, but not particularly reliable. Guys buying these and trading them in after 3 years won't care though, so sales may be unaffected. You just won't see many of these on the road in 10-15 years.

[Cowpie]

But one thing that many don't take into consideration on looking at numbers, they look at the total and not where it happens. The naturally aspirated stuff might get to the EB level or even exceed it, but where in the RPM band? The EB is reaching peak torque at 2500 RPM and holding it longer up the band. With the naturally aspirated stuff, one has to get way up the RPM band to get anywhere near max torque. And for working, torque is where it's at. It is preferable to have max torque down in a lower RPM range where most of the work is being done. Why have a motor screaming at 4200 RPM to get to max torque when I can get it at 2500? Why do you think that commercial trucks are getting their peak torque at 1100-1200 RPM and holding it well thru 1500 RPM? That is where the work is being done. I have no fascination with the EB and Ford, but I do know that it is preferable to have max torque down low. While some might do it, I would not be towing a 500 gallon fuel wagon thru hilly, loose farm ground at 5000 RPM. I would be doing it at 2000-2500 RPM. It would be comical to see someone pulling a fuel wagon or anhydrous tank thru a corn field at a screaming 5000 RPM. I am sure the neighbors would be passing out real glowing comments when they talk with each other.

 

I didn't get a diesel in my 2500HD as I could not justify the cost benefit ratio. But one of the reason I chose it was for the 6.0L because that motor reaches 90% of available torque at 2000 RPM. It is not a highway towing truck, but a working truck from time to time that has to do things off the road. If I wanted to race the motor at 5000 RPM to get something done, I would have bought a sports car.

[white1500]

Looking good!! That sand color or white would do it for me.

 

[Chevy man 72]

What you just described is possibly the engine that will be in the next generation GT500. Rumor is it'll be a V8 with twin turbos and pushing well over 800hp stock. Even one of the guys at Ford made a joke when asked about Hellcat power.

 

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That sound funny my friend, When you say that the 5.2 for the future GT 500 is stock with twin turbos ,You don't really believe that crap do you ? If it was stock the flat-plane- crankshaft 5.2 would be offered in all mustangs and trucks !