The Peckish Synapse

KARNUT · March 6, 2023

32 minutes ago, customboss said:

Even worse with the Dominion lawsuit disclosures of lying to Stan and others that want lied to........... Tucker, Hannity, Ingraham, Pirro, Baritromo, Lachlan Murdoch (CEO FOX), Suzanne Scott ( President of FOX), Big Daddy Rupert Murdoch Exec ( Chairman Newscorp, Vice Chair of FOX NEWs).

FOX OVERTLY lied from top down about Trumps lies about election because they are afraid of Stan and other MAGA supporters. This is really dangerous to have OVERT PROVEN Lies about someone who is running AGAIN for POTUS.

No comparison between demonstrated lying and missinfo to any other news source. 1.6 billion defamation charges is just the start if the judge is not bought and sold.

So to think eastern elitist Tucker the frat boy turned Orbahn boot licker will do anything positive with tapes of the first attack on our capitol in our history is helpful is at least misguided, mostly ignorant unless you want an authorritarian regimen to take the place of a consitutional republic.

I can’t be lied to. There’re all embellishments. As I said many times it’s the lesser of evils. I see the obvious, no rose colored glasses here. Those who couldn’t see are doomed to repeat. Times aren’t good at present. That’s what I see. I saw when they were better and why. An old saying from a wise uncle that describes what’s happening presently. Biden kicks a bird out its nest. While descending to its doom tries to convince us or the bird it’s better this way. I saw this coming prepared for it. People forget l lived through Carter. At least he had compassion, miss guided. Biden got paid and played. I’ll leave it here.

customboss · March 6, 2023

5 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

I can’t be lied to. There’re all embellishments. As I said many times it’s the lesser of evils. I see the obvious, no rose colored glasses here. Those who couldn’t see are doomed to repeat. Times aren’t good at present. That’s what I see. I saw when they were better and why. An old saying from a wise uncle that describes what’s happening presently. Biden kicks a bird out its nest. While descending to its doom tries to convince us or the bird it’s better this way. I saw this coming prepared for it. People forget l lived through Carter. At least he had compassion, miss guided. Biden got paid and played. I’ll leave it here.

Readers and listeners of FOX and NEWSCORP have been played because they want your $$ and are afraid of Trump supporters. Read the last sentence from the President of FOX, they had to lead FOX readers/listeners/watchers. This is deposition testimony. They told the truth that they won't say on TV.

LA TIMES 4 MARCH 2023

"Rupert Murdoch’s admission was startling.

During a January deposition, the media mogul acknowledged that he knew former President Trump’s claims of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election were false, but he did not intervene to stop Fox News hosts and conspiracy-spinning guests from giving the assertions oxygen — even after the Jan. 6, 2021, rampage on the U.S. Capitol, which left five people dead.

Court testimony and internal emails — which have become evidence in a $1.6-billion defamation lawsuit against Fox News by software and voting machine supplier Dominion Voting Systems — exposed a campaign by Murdoch, his son Lachlan and other key Fox News figures to keep Trump-loving viewers and advertisers in the fold. The network and its stars, including Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity, were spooked by dipping ratings after the election and feared their audience might switch to other right-wing networks.

For the record:

9:09 a.m. March 4, 2023An earlier version of this article said the Jan. 6, 2021, rampage at the U.S. Capitol left seven people dead. The attack left five people dead. Some Congress members have cited additional deaths of officers who died by suicide after the attack.

Murdoch, during his deposition, expressed some regret about his network’s handling of the stolen-election narrative.

“I would have liked us to be stronger in denouncing it, in hindsight,” Murdoch said in his deposition.

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Rupert Murdoch admits he knew Fox News hosts endorsed false election fraud claims, deposition shows

Feb. 27, 2023

The revelations have shined a harsh light on the actions of the Australian-born media baron, who turns 92 this month, and affirmed what his lieutenants have long said: Although the Fox News co-founder is a libertarian-leaning conservative, he is less motivated by ideology than by amassing money and power.

It’s not the first time a Murdoch media outlet, or some of his underlings, have been accused of unethical conduct in pursuit of higher ratings or newspaper sales. The Fox News crisis poses the biggest threat to his company since the British phone-hacking scandal destroyed one of his London tabloids 12 years ago.

“In this particular [Fox News] instance, we have one of the worst offenses you could commit in journalism, which is broadcasting something that you know is completely false,” said Gabriel Kahn, a USC Annenberg School for Communication and Journalism professor and a former Wall Street Journal reporter. “We’re talking about supporting a bogus theory — a theory they knew was bogus — which was part of a strategy to overturn a legitimate election.”

Fox maintains that its coverage of unfounded theories about voter fraud was protected by the 1st Amendment. The company has said the issue was newsworthy because of long-standing concerns about the reliability of digital vote tabulation devices, and because the fraud claims were made by a sitting president.

Rupert and Lachlan Murdoch, through a spokesman, declined The Times’ interview requests.

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“Criticism by competitors, individuals and organizations with partisan agendas is part of being No. 1 in the news business,” a Fox News spokesperson said. “We remain focused on the core values of our business — free press, free speech and free expression — which reflects our unwavering commitment to the people’s right to know, to be informed and to participate in the marketplace of ideas.”

During his deposition on the Fox studio lot in West Los Angeles, the elder Murdoch, who is chairman of Fox Corp., sought to draw a distinction between the network’s news programs, which offered a more critical take, and its opinion hosts, including Carlson, Hannity and Maria Bartiromo, who have more leeway.

But critics contend Fox News paved the way for its current crisis by providing a platform for previous conspiracies — including Trump’s unfounded assertions more than a decade ago that President Obama wasn’t born in the U.S., or erroneously blaming Seth Rich, a young Democratic National Committee assistant who was fatally shot in Washington in 2016, for the leak of Hillary Clinton’s emails.

During Fox’s nightly news show, “Special Report With Bret Baier,” a guest said questions lingered over “whether Seth Rich was assassinated by Hillary Clinton,” according to a lawsuit filed by the Rich family. Fox settled the case in 2020.

Fox News also has dealt with other scandals involving its workplace culture, including the 2016 ouster of powerful Chairman Roger Ailes and popular prime-time host Bill O’Reilly, a year later, over sexual harassment claims.

Currently, two former 21st Century Fox executives are on trial in Brooklyn, N.Y., accused of paying millions of dollars in bribes to soccer officials to land soccer tournament rights, including the World Cup, for Fox. The executives have denied the charges, and Fox Corp. said the executives were not involved in the World Cup bidding process and that Fox had the strongest bid.

“It’s all about a ruthless pursuit of the story.”

— Author Nick Davies

The latest predicament at Fox News comes more than a decade after Britain was rocked by revelations that Murdoch’s News of the World tabloid had illegally tapped into voicemail messages of crime victims, politicians and celebrities — including actor Hugh Grant, soccer star David Beckham and royal family members, including Princes William and Harry — in search of salacious stories.

Reporters also paid bribes to police officers in exchange for news tips. A British army intelligence officer’s computer and emails were hacked, allegedly to find information about Northern Ireland political informants.

The phone hacking scandal sparked a firestorm in Britain over media ethics and forced the Murdochs to shut down the News of the World, lay off about 200 people and abandon a bid for control of a popular satellite TV service, Sky. Murdoch and his son James were called in front of a Parliament committee in 2011, where they said they had been unaware of the crimes being committed in the bowels of their organization.

James Murdoch, left, and his father, Rupert Murdoch, appear before a panel in the House of Commons in London in 2011. Rupert Murdoch’s former wife, Wendi Deng, sits behind them.

(PA Images via Getty Images)

Murdoch called the historic reckoning before Parliament “the most humble day of my life.”

A nearly yearlong judicial inquiry concluded with the British press being chided for its occasional use of deceptive and covert means.

“There has been a recklessness in prioritizing sensational stories, almost irrespective of the harm the stories may cause and the rights of those who would be affected,” Sir Brian Leveson, who led the inquiry, said in 2012.

The company has since settled more than 1,000 claims brought by alleged victims. Over the years, legal fees, expenses and payouts to phone hacking victims have cost the company hundreds of millions of dollars, according to regulatory filings.

“Why were journalists behaving in this way? Well, it comes from the top,” said British journalist Nick Davies, who exposed the phone hacking scandal while reporting for the Guardian.

“Rupert Murdoch wants to make more money, and he passes this culture down through the different levels of the hierarchy: from corporate executives, down to the editors ... and onto the reporters,” said Davies, author of “Hack Attack: The Inside Story of How the Truth Caught Up With Rupert Murdoch.”

“It’s all about a ruthless pursuit of the story in order to generate readers or ratings in order to generate money,” Davies said.

‘Bit of a political junkie and a news junkie’

The grandson of a Scottish Presbyterian minister and son of a respected Australian newspaper editor and war hero, Murdoch was thrust into publishing in his early 20s after his father died, leaving him the Adelaide News. From that single newspaper, he spent the next 65 years building what would become a global media colossus once valued at more than $100 billion.

Murdoch began unwinding properties with the 2019 sale of much of his Hollywood operation, including the 20th Century Fox film and TV studios, to Walt Disney Co. Murdoch folded his remaining TV assets, including Fox News, into Fox Corp. His publishing assets, including the Wall Street Journal, are housed in a separate entity that he controls, News Corp.

Media tycoon Rupert Murdoch took over the Daily Mirror, a Sydney, Australia, tabloid, in May 1960. He would later build a global media empire once valued at more than $100 billion.

(Keystone / Hulton Archive / Getty Images)

“I admit I am a bit of a political junkie and a news junkie,” Murdoch told Dominion’s lawyers during his deposition.

Over the years, he has shrewdly employed a populist formula to win readers in Australia, then Britain, and later, the U.S. His publications are high-brow and low-brow. News Corp. owns the respectable Wall Street Journal and the gritty New York Post.

In Britain, News Corp. owns the venerable Times of London and splashy Sun, which late last year was forced to apologize to Prince Harry’s wife, Meghan Markle, after one of the tabloid’s columnists wrote he “dreams of the day when [Markle] is made to parade naked through the streets of every town in Britain while the crowds chant ‘Shame!’ and throw lumps of excrement at her.”

“There has been an increasingly bullying nature to British culture. I don’t want to say it started with Murdoch, but it has certainly grown under Murdoch,” Kahn said. “It’s been a winning business strategy for him.”

Murdoch has never been shy about using his media outlets as a political sword.

As revealed in the Fox News defamation case, Murdoch in 2020 gave Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner an advanced look at then-candidate Joe Biden’s TV commercials. On Friday, the progressive nonprofit group Media Matters filed a complaint with the Federal Elections Commission, alleging Murdoch’s sharing of confidential information was tantamount to making “an illegal corporate contribution” to the Trump campaign.

Emails also show Murdoch instructed his underlings to ease up on Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.). “Could Sean [Hannity] say something supportive?” Murdoch wrote. “We cannot lose the Senate if at all possible.”

Then-President Trump calls in to Fox News a month before the 2020 election.

(Fox News )

Years ago, his publications championed Britain’s conservative Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher but switched sides to back the Labor Party‘s Tony Blair. His outlets occasionally have split on its causes. In contrast to the Times of London, the Sun was a boisterous cheerleader for Britain’s withdrawal from the European Union, Brexit, claiming: “We must set ourselves free from dictatorial Brussels.”

“We have the Murdoch titles to thank for the fact that we’re no longer in the European Union,” Davies said. “It’s about poisoning the mainstream of public debate with falsehood and distortion. It may be to sell newspapers, it may be to attack a rival and sometimes it’s a random election.”

On the night of the 2020 election, Fox News’ decision desk made an early (and accurate) call that key swing state Arizona had tipped to Biden. That infuriated Trump and legions of his supporters.

The network immediately felt a viewer backlash.

“I’ve never seen a reaction like this, to any media company. Kills me to watch it,” Carlson told Fox News Chief Suzanne Scott.

The weekend after the election, Bartiromo invited onto her show lawyer Sidney Powell, who spouted untrue allegations such as Dominion systems were “flipping votes in the computer system or adding votes that did not exist.” Trump surrogates also falsely suggested Dominion’s software was developed by a Venezuelan company with ties to strongman Hugo Chavez to help him tilt elections.

That night, Carlson fumed in an email that the “software s— is absurd. … Half our viewers have seen the Maria clip,” according to court filings.

That same day, Nov. 8, 2020, Murdoch sent a message to Scott, saying Fox was “getting creamed by CNN !”

A synopsis of CNN’s coverage, sent to Scott, showed the rival network was teeing off on Fox News, charging it was “aiming to destabilize the American system by telling viewers the election was stolen by deep state Democrats,” according to Dominion’s court filings.

Lachlan, left, and Rupert Murdoch at the U.S. Open in 2018 in New York City.

(Adrian Edwards / GC Images)

Scott then had “a long talk” with Murdoch and Lachlan, Fox Corp.’s chief executive, the Dominion motion said. They allegedly discussed ways to cover the news without alienating Trump fans.

“Viewers going through the 5 stages of grief,” Scott wrote the next day in an email to Lachlan Murdoch. “It’s a question of trust — the AZ [call] was damaging but we will highlight our stars and plant flags letting the viewers know we hear them and respect them.”

Lachlan Murdoch responded: “Yes. But needs constant rebuilding without any missteps,” according to Dominion’s brief. Lachlan Murdoch testified that a drop in Fox News ratings would “keep me awake” at night, according to a Dominion court filing.

“That’s been the dynamic that’s caused this trouble,” Davies, the British journalist, said. “Fox for commercial reasons, not for political reasons, supported the Trump lies in order to keep the viewers happy, so that they can keep the revenue coming in.”

During his deposition, Rupert Murdoch insisted the network’s coverage was warranted.

“We report the news. ... And this was big news. The President of the United States was making wild claims, but that is news,” Murdoch said.

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Dec. 21, 2020

Fox said in a statement that Dominion’s motions take “an extreme, unsupported view of defamation law that would prevent journalists from basic reporting and their efforts to publicly smear Fox for covering and commenting on allegations by a sitting President of the United States should be recognized for what it is: a blatant violation of the First Amendment.”

The Dominion documents show that, a month after the election, Fox’s board members began objecting to the stolen-election drumbeat.

“We are entering a truly bizarre phase of this where [Trump] has actually convinced himself of this farce and will do more bizarre things to delegitimize the election,” former House Speaker Paul D. Ryan, a Wisconsin Republican who serves on Fox Corp.’s board, wrote in a Dec. 6, 2020, text message to the Murdochs.

“I see this as a key inflection point for Fox, where the right thing and the smart business thing to do line up nicely,” Ryan wrote.

The claims continued.

On the eve of the Capitol assault, Rupert Murdoch suggested to Scott that Fox News’ prime-time hosts — Hannity, Carlson and Laura Ingraham — could announce “something like ‘the election is over and Joe Biden won,’ ” Murdoch reportedly said, noting that “would go a long way to stop the Trump myth” that the election was stolen.

Scott, according to Dominion, told one of her lieutenants: “I told Rupert that privately they are all there — we need to be careful about using the shows and pissing off the viewers but they know how to navigate.”

In his testimony, Ryan agreed that “some high percentage of Americans” thought the election was stolen “because they got a diet of information telling them the election was stolen from what they believe were credible sources.”

Opinion polls have consistently shown a majority of Republicans doubt Biden legitimately won.

After the Capitol riots, Fox board member Anne Dias prodded the Murdochs for more.

“Considering how important Fox News has been as a megaphone for Donald Trump, directly or indirectly, I believe the time has come for Fox News or for you, Lachlan, to take a stance,” Dias wrote, according to the Dominion documents. “It is an existential moment for the nation and for Fox News as a brand.”

Lachlan Murdoch then shared the email with his father.

“Just tell her we have been talking internally and intensely along these lines, and Fox News, which called the election correctly, is pivoting as fast as possible,” Rupert Murdoch replied. “We have to lead our viewers, which is not as easy as it might seem.” "

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Grumpy Bear · March 6, 2023

This train has left the rails.

customboss · March 6, 2023

1 minute ago, Grumpy Bear said:

This train has left the rails.

Why? Because testimony from depositions under oath are quoted for those who are in silos of info?

KARNUT · March 6, 2023

40 minutes ago, customboss said:

Why? Because testimony from depositions under oath are quoted for those who are in silos of info?

I don’t watch much night time Fox except Tucker. I know by watching he didn’t push the voting machine switching. He did report that some were saying that. Because it’s news. He did bring on people in regards of ballot harvesting and re feeding ballots. The were videos of that. I also saw hearing being held that claiming voting machines were hooked to the internet. Early on. If true I’m sure that will bare out in court. Then there was the censorship of the Biden family business before the election. That’s now coming to light in the mainstream. It’s undeniable trickery and censorship was in play. More than probable swaying the election.

garagerog · March 6, 2023

A little off-topic perhaps, but not a whole lot, one of my favorite movies from the 90's was Mel Gibson in "Conspiracy Theory". The take away at the time was if you throw enough conspiracy theories out there, one of them is bound to come true. Since that time there has been a watershed change in world events and politics, and a new mantra has followed, What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth? The answer: 6 months.

Grumpy Bear · March 6, 2023

UOA Topic Here

Story coming

Anyone remember this stuff? Being a fan of Brit bikes and working in my father's shop I learned how to lap a warped head on a concrete floor and make a head gasket from several sheets of newsprint and a can of the above. Even as a child I never had one leak or fail in service. Fact is, better know how to get it apart without breaking some fins.

By the time I was in my late teens the automotive aftermarket had convinced us that this process needed to be done on a milling machine and that a proper manufactured composite gasket was the bare minimum that would be acceptable in any 'real' shop.

By the time I finished my aid and proficiency levels in maintenance with Getty we had moved on to giant lapping tables and diamond dust checking flatness with optical quartz to 1 millionth of a light band flat per meter.

That kind of flatness no longer requires a gasket or even head bolts.

Know what still works in the right job? Concrete, newsprint and a can of High Tack. A feeler gauge and a straight edge.

Not the process I would use on a turbo motor under 2 bars of boost, but it works when used for the right job and it works well.

Story over.

I will not debate that Synthetic Advantage UOA provides the greatest detail and best support. It just does. But I don't always need the best tool in the box.

I will also not concede the ridiculous idea that everyone else on that planet is clueless.

That a GC fuel is only accurate if run in one lab on earth.

customboss · March 6, 2023

I want my whole Clark Bar you promised @Grumpy Bear

Grumpy Bear · March 8, 2023

UOA

Karl Fisher Water

I've run a few hundred of these. Pain in the neck test where calibration takes longer than the test. Okay done whining.

To about 1,000 ppm water in your oil is unseen to the eye. It's dissolved. From there to around 2,500 ppm the oil will be hazy/milky and yet not settled out. Water is past the point of saturation and yet not enough to drop out of suspension. Ballpark. Exact oil type and its temperature have an effect. Since oil life is affected by water and bearing life affected by oil condition, and it on how dry the oil is; any haze or free water in the oil is unacceptable. Totally dry is impossible in an ICE so a reasonable limit needs to be set. 100-300 ppm would be pretty ideal and very hard to obtain. It's also below the observable range a Crackle Test. Zero bubbles in this test says it's under 500 ppm. It just isn't sensitive to dissolved water. Bubbles are only created when the water is emulsified or free. The hint of bubbles somewhere between 500 and a 1,000 ppm. Past that it's hazy.

Since the Crackle is basically blind below 500 ppm and oil life are about half normal [ it's a very steep decline vs ppm water] by this point it would be good to 'see' with exactitude the lesser range.

Enter Karl Fisher. Well calibrated it will read down to 10 ppm and be dead accurate.

Karl Fisher method however is not without its own issues. Interference from sulfurous EP and AW additives and oxygen bearing base oils such as Esters which have open O2 bonds at the end of the molecule READ as water and yet, are not. There is also the calibration of the instrument. It can be a pip to get zeroed. This last issue is a matter of trust in your lab.

The first is a matter of a good VOA reference KF Water which will be subtracted from the UOA result.

By this method I have never had a sample under 300 ppm. Hence another reason for my shorter than normal OCI's. This difficulty in an ICE is major reason oils contain corrosion inhibitors.

Water in oil that is in an AFM motor is more concerning. Water exacerbates foaming and aeration. It breaks AFM lifters.

Edited March 9, 2023 by Grumpy Bear

Grumpy Bear · March 10, 2023

UOA

Testing

American Society for Testing and Materials.

ISO or the International Organization for Standardization.

NIST aka National Institute of Standards and Technology.

ASTM provides the standard. A universal worldwide standard accepted by more than 150 countries around the world. The idea being that I can send the same sample to a lab in South Africa and Canada and get the same results.

To work a sample, you need tools. The ability to measure temperature for example. If both labs are to produce such results those standards need to be calibrated to a Universal Standard. NIST holds those standards both labs calibrate their measuring tools to.

ISO is the organization that attempts to assure compliance to both standards.

What none of these organizations do however is actually run the sample. Let that sink in a minute.

Yea....... The results will ONLY be as good as the guy running them no matter how good his methodology is. No matter how tracible his tools are and not matter how well you track every aspect of the job. The guy running the test has to have both the skills and the will. Wait!! This is true of everyone involved with this process!!

When you stick your thumbs under your suspenders and puff up your chest because you run ASTM standards with instruments calibrated to NIST references and boast your ISO certification it's all that is happening. Boasting.

When you make a claim that you are better because of certification you are also saying that you know for a fact that the guy at the other lab is an idiot. That he lacks skill and care in his job. You say you know him personally and well enough to call him a cheat and a liar.

I was working in the Eastman Chemical Research lab both before and after ISO certification. Do you know what changed? Paperwork and workload but when I ran a viscosity, it was still me, still the same viscometer, same procedure, same bosses who bought from the same suppliers and our instruments were calibrated by the same companies. Why? Because Eastman cared enough about their reputation and products to do the best WITHOUT someone watching over their shoulder. I cared enough to be EXCELENT in execution of my duties.

True story coming.

When I left and retired, I went to work part time as I felt like it in a machine shop owned by a friend and neighbor. John is a third generation Tool, Die and Pattern maker. His shop boasts all sorts of the latest tech CNC machines. I worked in the manual machining end of the business. 70- to 100-year-old antiques. I did what was called Onesie Towsey jobs. Too small to write a program for.

I make some of the guys in the shop a bet one day. Whatever you are making pick a dozen out of the finished product pile and choose the one that is closest to print. Give me the drawing and I'll make one on these worn-out machines to the print that is more accurate and more precise than you best work.

John smiled when those fellas took the bait. They got their hats handed to them and stood there puzzled and confused. See John and I knew that every more precise instrument is made on one lesser by a better craftsman. We didn't wake up one morning with a hundred fifty-thousand-dollar HAAS turning center sitting on the floor. But it can be made on a 1950 LeBlond Engine Lathe and manual Bridgeport milling machine. Just need an operator who cares.

John learned his trade, dies and tools with hand tools. Making things machines make today, only better.

Best tools in a monkeys' hands will not produce excellence.

Bad tools in a craftsman's hands will make you anything you like.

I'm not impressed with credentials. Show me your work.

Edited March 10, 2023 by Grumpy Bear

diyer2 · March 10, 2023

I worked in a machine shop years ago and remember when CNC first came out. The program was a roll of paper with holes in it. A high school friend did the programing, and another friend ran a CNC lathe.

Grumpy Bear · March 10, 2023

3 hours ago, diyer2 said:

I worked in a machine shop years ago and remember when CNC first came out. The program was a roll of paper with holes in it. A high school friend did the programing, and another friend ran a CNC lathe.

Not everything that is called "progress" is. CNC didn't become popular because it was more accurate but because it makes parts fast and is untiring. It's a productivity tool.

Eastman Research Lab I worked in didn't agree to go ISO because it assured better products but because it assured customers. There was a line at the door of clients ready to walk away from suppliers that were not ISO compliant. What clients failed to understand is compliance cannot be regulated any more than making a speed limit with the enforcement of police and courts assures everyone obeys the speed limit. My state does not brag, 'We have speed limits and a compliance office".

ISO's most useful trait is that of 'chain of evidence'. Finding the guy or piece of equipment that caused a customer complaint. Useful perhaps for your money back guaranteed but not so much for redress of damages it caused. Its flaw is it rarely gets the guy REALLY responsible.

Edited March 10, 2023 by Grumpy Bear

customboss · March 11, 2023

On 3/9/2023 at 5:07 PM, Grumpy Bear said:

UOA

Testing

American Society for Testing and Materials.

ISO or the International Organization for Standardization.

NIST aka National Institute of Standards and Technology.

ASTM provides the standard. A universal worldwide standard accepted by more than 150 countries around the world. The idea being that I can send the same sample to a lab in South Africa and Canada and get the same results.

To work a sample, you need tools. The ability to measure temperature for example. If both labs are to produce such results those standards need to be calibrated to a Universal Standard. NIST holds those standards both labs calibrate their measuring tools to.

ISO is the organization that attempts to assure compliance to both standards.

What none of these organizations do however is actually run the sample. Let that sink in a minute.

Yea....... The results will ONLY be as good as the guy running them no matter how good his methodology is. No matter how tracible his tools are and not matter how well you track every aspect of the job. The guy running the test has to have both the skills and the will. Wait!! This is true of everyone involved with this process!!

When you stick your thumbs under your suspenders and puff up your chest because you run ASTM standards with instruments calibrated to NIST references and boast your ISO certification it's all that is happening. Boasting.

When you make a claim that you are better because of certification you are also saying that you know for a fact that the guy at the other lab is an idiot. That he lacks skill and care in his job. You say you know him personally and well enough to call him a cheat and a liar.

I was working in the Eastman Chemical Research lab both before and after ISO certification. Do you know what changed? Paperwork and workload but when I ran a viscosity, it was still me, still the same viscometer, same procedure, same bosses who bought from the same suppliers and our instruments were calibrated by the same companies. Why? Because Eastman cared enough about their reputation and products to do the best WITHOUT someone watching over their shoulder. I cared enough to be EXCELENT in execution of my duties.

True story coming.

When I left and retired, I went to work part time as I felt like it in a machine shop owned by a friend and neighbor. John is a third generation Tool, Die and Pattern maker. His shop boasts all sorts of the latest tech CNC machines. I worked in the manual machining end of the business. 70- to 100-year-old antiques. I did what was called Onesie Towsey jobs. Too small to write a program for.

I make some of the guys in the shop a bet one day. Whatever you are making pick a dozen out of the finished product pile and choose the one that is closest to print. Give me the drawing and I'll make one on these worn-out machines to the print that is more accurate and more precise than you best work.

John smiled when those fellas took the bait. They got their hats handed to them and stood there puzzled and confused. See John and I knew that every more precise instrument is made on one lesser by a better craftsman. We didn't wake up one morning with a hundred fifty-thousand-dollar HAAS turning center sitting on the floor. But it can be made on a 1950 LeBlond Engine Lathe and manual Bridgeport milling machine. Just need an operator who cares.

John learned his trade, dies and tools with hand tools. Making things machines make today, only better.

Best tools in a monkeys' hands will not produce excellence.

Bad tools in a craftsman's hands will make you anything you like.

I'm not impressed with credentials. Show me your work.

Grumpy respectfully when's the last time you worked at or ran an automotive lubricant analysis lab that is high thoughput?

1000 samples a day of different units not one blending lab for a particular additive or base?

You keep disparaging ( hopefully because you dislike my commentary and want to make a point) Nicks Service based on its marketing name.

Why do you do that?

You remember I am retired but retired in 2020. You remember I have a degree in aeronautical engineering but worked at Cummins WITHOUT A DEGREE IN CHEM ENGINEERING but did the leadership and science work becasue of USN and US Army training and experience?

Who cares what you are impressed with? What most folks want is affordable science when it comes to oil analysis for their truck.

If that raw lab data is ISO certified its a good thing. One with an active certification provided by a third certification party.

Attack me but don't attack Nicks @Black02Silverado livelihood and site sponsorship just because I have consulted for him periodically or maybe taught him along the way. He's way to kind to the disrepect you keep pumping out.

Hopefully inadvertantly.

You don't take public correction well and seem to like to use lots of words to make your point.

Next time we meet you buy at Cracker Barrel and I want the Clark Bar too. You weren't an A-HOLE in person don't be one online. Aquired taste eh?

Grumpy Bear · March 11, 2023

2 hours ago, customboss said:

Grumpy respectfully when's the last time you worked at or ran an automotive lubricant analysis lab that is high thoughput?

1000 samples a day of different units not one blending lab for a particular additive or base?

You keep disparaging ( hopefully because you dislike my commentary and want to make a point) Nicks Service based on its marketing name.

Why do you do that?

You remember I am retired but retired in 2020. You remember I have a degree in aeronautical engineering but worked at Cummins WITHOUT A DEGREE IN CHEM ENGINEERING but did the leadership and science work becasue of USN and US Army training and experience?

Who cares what you are impressed with? What most folks want is affordable science when it comes to oil analysis for their truck.

If that raw lab data is ISO certified its a good thing. One with an active certification provided by a third certification party.

Attack me but don't attack Nicks @Black02Silverado livelihood and site sponsorship just because I have consulted for him periodically or maybe taught him along the way. He's way to kind to the disrepect you keep pumping out.

Hopefully inadvertantly.

You don't take public correction well and seem to like to use lots of words to make your point.

Next time we meet you buy at Cracker Barrel and I want the Clark Bar too. You weren't an A-HOLE in person don't be one online. Aquired taste eh?

You really don't get it do you?

I'm not hacking on Nick. Not on his business. I use his services when I have a need.

Just putting things in their proper place. The world of reality.

I'm throwing a rock in a dog pound, and it seems the dog I hit is yelping.

Who cares what I'm impressed with?

:wtf:

ME!

It's kind of in my signature.

I'm not impressed with credentials. Show me your work.

I notice that you didn't find any fault in my "Many Words". Because there wasn't any. But you sure have allot to say attempting to diminish me. Again, not impressed.

But I am getting hungry. Meatloaf and a Payday.

customboss · March 11, 2023

33 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

You really don't get it do you?

I'm not hacking on Nick. Not on his business. I use his services when I have a need.

Just putting things in their proper place. The world of reality.

I'm throwing a rock in a dog pound, and it seems the dog I hit is yelping.

Who cares what I'm impressed with?

ME!

It's kind of in my signature.

I'm not impressed with credentials. Show me your work.

I notice that you didn't find any fault in my "Many Words". Because there wasn't any. But you sure have allot to say attempting to diminish me. Again, not impressed.

But I am getting hungry. Meatloaf and a Payday.