1 quart of oil every 2000 miles

Grumpy Bear · February 5, 2020

I worked at a Hudson Oil service station likely during the same time as diyer2. We were trained to give a look under the hood of every customer that would allow it. Didn't have inside hood releases then Bulk reclaimed oil at 15 cents a quart. Hundreds of customers per shift. Darn few ever needed a top up.

diyer2 · February 5, 2020

Grumpy,

The owner of this company had 20 gas staions in the metro area and always was the cheapest gas around.

The station I worked at was on a major intersection with a side street on one side.

During rush hour the cars would line up down the side street.

Thus the policy if asked check oil and wash windshield to save time.

Also cash was king. Some people today would be lost making change.

I got promoted to shift manager. My shift was afternoons, after school.

I got gas at a discount price plus more hourly money than the other pump jocky's.

We had 3 islands, so 3 pump jocky's on duty.

The discounted gas price was nice because at that time I had a 1970 Nova SS.

350 small block that I had set up for 1/4 mile racing. 411 diff. gears. Motor work and custom 4 speed stick. 4 mpg.

BIGDOGx · February 5, 2020

36 minutes ago, diyer2 said:

Grumpy,

The owner of this company had 20 gas staions in the metro area and always was the cheapest gas around.

The station I worked at was on a major intersection with a side street on one side.

During rush hour the cars would line up down the side street.

Thus the policy if asked check oil and wash windshield to save time.

Also cash was king. Some people today would be lost making change.

I got promoted to shift manager. My shift was afternoons, after school.

I got gas at a discount price plus more hourly money than the other pump jocky's.

We had 3 islands, so 3 pump jocky's on duty.

The discounted gas price was nice because at that time I had a 1970 Nova SS.

350 small block that I had set up for 1/4 mile racing. 411 diff. gears. Motor work and custom 4 speed stick. 4 mpg.

So your the guy that ruined Greta's future....

Pinnacle · February 5, 2020

On 2/3/2020 at 10:16 PM, Colossus said:

You guys can cry about it all you want and claim it is unacceptable but if you think something will be done about it, you are going to be laughed away at the service department. And they don't care if you go with another brand. why? Because the other brand is burning oil too. Just the nature of today's modern engines.

Loser just spreading misinformation calling it FACTS, you are and always will be a loser. This moron makes stuff up constantly here, DO NOT believe that DI engines use a quart of oil every 2000 miles and GM says its ok. I work for GM and that is NOT OK.

Colossus · February 6, 2020

10 hours ago, Donstar said:

A few decades ago service stations carried jars of oil right next to the pump. It wasn't unusual for the attendant to add a quart to your engine while he was filling your tank and cleaning your windows. It would be an extraordinary circumstance to see someone with their hood up adding oil at a gas pump in this millennium.

Aint that the truth. I get strange looks from younger folks when I check the oil while fueling up. The ones who do ask what I am doing, I am happy to teach them and tell them in hopes it will help them down the road.

DuRsT · February 7, 2020

On 2/5/2020 at 7:41 PM, Colossus said:

Aint that the truth. I get strange looks from younger folks when I check the oil while fueling up. The ones who do ask what I am doing, I am happy to teach them and tell them in hopes it will help them down the road.

Teaching my 17 year old to regularly check his oil has been a chore. This generation thinks so differently than all before them. Thank you electronic devices.

diyer2 · February 7, 2020

My ability to maintain vehilces, equipment etc. came from seeing my dad and grandpa do it.

It also came from a lack of funds.

HondaHawkGT · February 14, 2020

On 2/5/2020 at 4:23 PM, Pinnacle said:

Loser just spreading misinformation calling it FACTS, you are and always will be a loser. This moron makes stuff up constantly here, DO NOT believe that DI engines use a quart of oil every 2000 miles and GM says its ok. I work for GM and that is NOT OK.

Yep. Lots of guys talk out of their *** about how GM won't do anything about abnormally high oil consumption, but they've consistently updated the oil consumption TSB to cover new models. If you think your GM vehicle is burning more than 1 quart per 2000 miles, you take it into the dealer, have them do an oil consumption test, and if the engine is indeed burning that much oil, repairs will be made under warranty.

Grumpy Bear · February 14, 2020

On 2/5/2020 at 6:48 AM, ct_corey said:

I could never understand how manufactures can say that consuming oil is normal. Customer A truck could consume almost zero oil and customer b can consume 1 qt per 1000 miles, but they tell customer B that its normal. My 16 and even my 19 with lifter issues consumes zero to minimal oil. The level on the dipstick stays the same.

Ever see that highway construction sign on the back of a state dump truck that says, "Not responsible for damage from rocks falling off this truck".

Really? Then whose fault is it? Well....GM/Ford/Chrysler ditto. We make crap by design BUT it isn't not our fault we are greedy and irresponsible.

Anyone that has ever built a motor knows oil usage between reasonable OCI's is not normal. Nor is it normal for a motor that has been reliable for a 100K to all the sudden.....

But they assume we are idiots and we agree and keep buy that busted crap. You can't fix this situation with a long drawn out fight over a warranty service call or a lemon law buy back. You have to just stop buying it....period. If you thing this will not work ask Datsun, Fiat, Suzuki, AMC, Yugo or late 1960's rust bucket Fords. They fix it of fold. Their choice and everyone benefits.

Grumpy Bear · February 14, 2020

31 minutes ago, HondaHawkGT said:

Yep. Lots of guys talk out of their *** about how GM won't do anything about abnormally high oil consumption, but they've consistently updated the oil consumption TSB to cover new models. If you think your GM vehicle is burning more than 1 quart per 2000 miles, you take it into the dealer, have them do an oil consumption test, and if the engine is indeed burning that much oil, repairs will be made under warranty.

Band-Aid on a gun shot wound.

Yea, NO! Should even be an issue at this magnitude.

HondaHawkGT · February 14, 2020

6 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Band-Aid on a gun shot wound.

Yea, NO! Should even be an issue at this magnitude.

1 quart of oil every 2000 miles is pretty minor for an engine running 0w20. You'll lose up to 10% of oil volume simply due to viscosity modifier cooking off of the oil. In fact, if you aren't losing a small amount of oil between oil changes, it means you have an even bigger problem, as unburned fuel is diluting your engine oil, replacing vaporized oil that left through the PCV system with gasoline.

It's a fairly common occurrence these days. Toyota, Honda, and Subaru have all gone on record saying that it's normal for their engines to burn up to 1 quart every 1,200 miles. BMW too. Ford is currently drastically changing their stance on oil consumption. Their Mustang GT350's 5.2L V8 is supposed to burn up to 1 quart of 5W50 every 500 miles. It's right in the owner's manual.

Welcome to the lovely world of low tension piston rings and synthetic engine oils with viscosity modifiers and 10-13% NOACK.

Edited February 14, 2020 by HondaHawkGT

KARNUT · February 14, 2020

I’ve been driving over 40 years. Probably driven 2 million plus miles. I’ve owned over 100 vehicles. Done everything imagined with them. Factory performance to self modified. I’ve had three oil users. Two from new. 94Z-28, 99F150 4.6 and one bought modified. The new ones were called within perimeters. They performed as intended for over 100K miles as required by me. I still don’t consider it normal. Judging by my experience it shouldn’t be.

Edited February 14, 2020 by KARNUT

Vicarod · February 14, 2020

The following is from an owner's manual

■Engine oil consumption

A certain amount of engine oil will be consumed while driving. In the following situations, oil consumption may increase, and engine oil may need to be refilled in between oil maintenance intervals.●When the engine is new, for example directly after purchasing the vehicle or after replacing the engine●If low quality oil or oil of an inappropriate viscosity is used●When driving at high engine speeds or with a heavy load, when towing, or when driving while accelerating or decelerating frequently●When leaving the engine idling for a long time, or when driving frequently through heavy traffic

For a TUNDRA...2019. Check it out yourself.

https://www.toyota.com/t3Portal/document/om-s/OM0C017U/pdf/OM0C017U.pdf

section 7

We can debate all day on what is acceptable oil loss. I do think 1 qt every 2k is a lot.

But, for all saying that these engines shouldn't be burning oil are just plain wrong.

I tried to find a similar statement in my 2019's owner's manual...and this is the best I could find:

It is also important to check the oil regularly over the course of an oil drain interval and keep it at
the proper level.

This tacitly implies oil usage...but doesn't come out and say so.

Neither manual states what is acceptable loss.

ct_corey · February 14, 2020

15 minutes ago, Vicarod said:

The following is from an owner's manual

■Engine oil consumption

A certain amount of engine oil will be consumed while driving. In the following situations, oil consumption may increase, and engine oil may need to be refilled in between oil maintenance intervals.●When the engine is new, for example directly after purchasing the vehicle or after replacing the engine●If low quality oil or oil of an inappropriate viscosity is used●When driving at high engine speeds or with a heavy load, when towing, or when driving while accelerating or decelerating frequently●When leaving the engine idling for a long time, or when driving frequently through heavy traffic

For a TUNDRA...2019. Check it out yourself.

https://www.toyota.com/t3Portal/document/om-s/OM0C017U/pdf/OM0C017U.pdf

section 7

We can debate all day on what is acceptable oil loss. I do think 1 qt every 2k is a lot.

But, for all saying that these engines shouldn't be burning oil are just plain wrong.

I tried to find a similar statement in my 2019's owner's manual...and this is the best I could find:

It is also important to check the oil regularly over the course of an oil drain interval and keep it at
the proper level.

This tacitly implies oil usage...but doesn't come out and say so.

Neither manual states what is acceptable loss.

My current 19 and my last 2016 both burned zero oil between changes.

My 16 was a lease and I beat the shit out of it. From towing to hard driving to 4 wheeling. after 50k it still didn't burn a drop of oil.

My 19 that has a lifter knock so loud at cold start I can hear it in my house. The truck misfires at idle, and it still doesn't burn an oil between changes.

I run the same 0w20 from the dealer that everyone else runs.

Just because GM tells you its normal doesn't mean it is..... There main goal is to not replace an engine so they will tell you this bullshit is normal.