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1 minute ago, graystonelbz said:

Fox is the only Tv channel covering it. You don't see a single cnn story about anyone recovering, yet a higher percentage are currently recovering than being infected. God for bid they put anything positive out on the Crisis. People are looking for something positive and those stories are all just that. But I get where you're coming from....Eerything Trump is bad.

At what point did I say everything Trump is bad? I have my opinion, I provided my side, not bashing Trump, but simply stating that I'm listening to the experts. You seem to think that anyone who disagrees with you or Fox News is automatically a hater of Trump.

 

BTW, I'm watching my local news and they just mentioned that the numbers are going down in my area. Guess I should ignore that since it wasn't on Fox?

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I’m wondering. Remember H1-N1? Mass hysteria? Stock Market going crazy? Who’s going to make money? Who’s pushing the most hysteria?

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I work in a gov't office in a secret underground undisclosed location, as they say.  No, really.  We received a briefing from an epidemiologist in Washington State.  He said that if you put someone in

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21 minutes ago, Ithan Henry said:

At what point did I say everything Trump is bad? I have my opinion, I provided my side, not bashing Trump, but simply stating that I'm listening to the experts. You seem to think that anyone who disagrees with you or Fox News is automatically a hater of Trump.

 

BTW, I'm watching my local news and they just mentioned that the numbers are going down in my area. Guess I should ignore that since it wasn't on Fox?

I've seen those stories. What medical proof do they have that the drug saved them? None, because the studies just started. I have just as much evidence that the orange Jello that they serve in hospitals saved their lives.

 

Trump didn't save them! The doctors and nurses did. Give credit to the medical professionals that are working everyday on the front lines.  They used a drug in a situation where the benefits outweighed the risk. That's just prudent. They have a hypothesis thou go fromat it may work. Absolutely use it on the people that have no other option but don't risk lives until they've done there due diligence.

 

Your responses minutes apart....one minute it doesn't work at all,  then it turns into well the doctors gave it to them, not Trump.....and that's what saved them.

I'd say that demonstrates a pretty negative bias towards Trump, but I digress.

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Just saw on my local news that they're starting studies with another anti-flu medication called Avigan, that could be beneficial. Also the CDC has removed guidelines for hydroxychloroquine since it's unproven.

 

Oh, and I didn't win the lottery, local news really needs to be more positive with my lotto numbers.

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've seen those stories. What medical proof do they have that the drug saved them? None, because the studies just started. I have just as much evidence that the orange Jello that they serve in hospitals saved their lives.

 

Trump didn't save them! The doctors and nurses did. Give credit to the medical professionals that are working everyday on the front lines.  They used a drug in a situation where the benefits outweighed the risk. That's just prudent. They have a hypothesis thou go fromat it may work. Absolutely use it on the people that have no other option but don't risk lives until they've done there due diligence.

 

your responses minutes apart....one minute it doesn't work at all,  then it turns into well the doctors gave it to them not Trump.....and that's what save them.

I'd say that demonstrates a pretty negative bias towards Trump, but I digress.

I never said it doesn't work, I said they don't have sufficient proof and that they need to do the studies. There's a MAJOR difference between those two statements. And saying that the doctors saved them is a true statement since they treated the patients. But again, the doctors still only have a hypothesis, no concrete proof. And as I stated before, if death is almost certain, then yes absolutely try experimental drugs off label. At that point the risk of the side effects are outweighed by the POSSIBLE benefits.

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3 minutes ago, Ithan Henry said:

I never said it doesn't work, I said they don't have sufficient proof and that they need to do the studies. There's a MAJOR difference between those two statements. And saying that the doctors saved them is a true statement since they treated the patients. But again, the doctors still only have a hypothesis, no concrete proof. And as I stated before, if death is almost certain, then yes absolutely try experimental drugs off label. At that point the risk of the side effects are outweighed by the POSSIBLE benefits.

Could you please tell me which side effects that you are most concerned about, since it sounds like you pretty very well informed?

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Could you please tell me which side effects that you are most concerned about, since it sounds like you pretty very well informed?

Irregular heartbeat which can lead to cardiac arrest. If you don't know that you have an underlying condition then this drug could be lethal. It's not a common side effect but it does require consideration.

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If they paid me to eat an onion, which I hate more than any food, I would and say it cured me, might do it for a lifetime supply of Miller High Life.

 

I prefer a drug that causes an oily discharge, incontrollable diarrhea, cotton mouth, and a fear of crowds, which would be perfect with Covid -19. 

 

You both have good points, but at this point, not many winners no matter how you look at it.

 

Only time, and hopefully some honest facts from the powers that be will help us get to the next step in our lives.

 

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8 hours ago, Ithan Henry said:

This is why paying attention in math class during high school is important.  That's when we learn about statistics and how the models must change daily to reflect peoples actions.  If I had a nickel for every time one of my students asked me when we'd use this in real life I'd have my own private island by now.  

Statistics!? They didn't offer that in any of the High Schools in my area, that was college crap!  Damn math nerds. 

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Irregular heartbeat which can lead to cardiac arrest. If you don't know that you have an underlying condition then this drug could be lethal. It's not a common side effect but it does require consideration.

Those are reasonable concerns, but there are side effects for just about every medication people take. And beyond that a Dr. has to write the prescription...so are you saying that you don't think all doctors evaluate peoples health conditions before writing all prescriptions in general? I'm trying to keep this very respectful, but your point of view is really tough to understand here. Unless I missed something you are suggesting that doctors are just handing it out like lolipops to whomever asks for it? Lots of drugs could be lethal to anyone that doesn't know they have an underlying condition.

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It's not because Trump endorses it, it's because the experts say there's not enough data to determine if it has medicinal value.  There's a reason Dr Fauci has served for numerous administrations, he's an expert, so I tend to place value in his opinion.

He’s not against it. He’s likes controlled testing over a long period of time. It’s already been tested for safety and is widely used. I’ve taken it when traveling over seas. My daughter has taken it for lupus. Knowing that would you rather die not giving it a try or give it a shot. Many people have already gave testimony that they reversed symptoms using it. Of course you wouldn’t know that just watching CNN.


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I take high blood pressure medication. Have been for 30 years. It is safe but has side effects. Including a chance for kidney damage, weight gain, irregular heart beat among others. I’ve fought obesity all my life, I smell food I gain a pound. Some times I feel anxious, my heart rate just spiked. I have to keep my blood check now getting older for sighs of kidney or liver problems. My grandfather had high blood pressure. There’s was no medication available. We were all at his house on a Sunday when he suddenly died in his early 50s. I’m over 10 years pass his passing age. I’ll take the side effects. All medications have them.


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Dr. OZ is on tv now pleading with the media to stop pushing false narratives that the drug isn’t safe. Just because they don’t like the person who pushing it’s use. He, the doctor says it’s working.


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While we’re discussing this drug I’ll make a prediction. Most of mine have been on the money so far. Here it goes. Once this is past doctors and nurses will testify they were taking this drug as a preventative. They’ll probably be shown as carriers and never got sick.


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48 minutes ago, KARNUT said:


He’s not against it. He’s likes controlled testing over a long period of time. It’s already been tested for safety and is widely used. I’ve taken it when traveling over seas. My daughter has taken it for lupus. Knowing that would you rather die not giving it a try or give it a shot. Many people have already gave testimony that they reversed symptoms using it. Of course you wouldn’t know that just watching CNN.


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I know Fauci isn't against it. He wants the studies to have more time to determine if it does work. My point has always been that we don't know if it works because the necessary studies haven't been done. The people who claim its working can't know that for sure yet.

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