GM Facing Class Action Lawsuit Over Lifters

BlaineBug · April 26, 2023

5 minutes ago, MikeBMW said:

Oh, ******, are we really gonna turn this forum into a political tit-for-tat?
If so, I'm just gonna see the door on my way out and softly close it behind me.

It's car related, at least.

BlaineBug · April 26, 2023

11 hours ago, KARNUT said:

Some are sticking their toe in. Genesis and Hyundai-Kia are making companion models along with gas models. Toyota is perfecting hybrids. The general public are resisting, it’s a hassle.

Toyota's CEO just quit didn't he, said he didn't like the direction that the company was being taken?

I believe all of these mega-corporations have been told to "behave" otherwise face severe financial consequences. Black Rock and Vanguard aren't buying up substantial stock just for fun - they're doing it as a tactic of "persuasion."

What you are witnessing is that the government has a strong hand in business and production under the guise of an "independent corporation," ala Vanguard and Black Rock. That isn't Capitalism but certainly is related to another form of government that too begins with C.

Edited April 26, 2023 by BlaineBug

MikeBMW · April 26, 2023

7 minutes ago, BlaineBug said:

Toyota's CEO just quit didn't he, said he didn't like the direction that the company was being taken?

I believe all of these mega-corporations have been told to "behave" otherwise face severe financial consequences. Black Rock and Vanguard aren't buying up substantial stock just for fun - they're doing it as a tactic of "persuasion."

What you are witnessing is that the government has a strong hand in business and production under the guise of an "independent corporation," ala Vanguard and Black Rock. That isn't Capitalism but certainly is related to another form of government that too begins with C.

This is a K2 forum for all things K2 related.
Political discussions enveloped within irrational discussion will simply introduce irrational posts and suppositions while not helping one bit with the information being sought by those seeking solutions to a K2 issue.

Edited April 26, 2023 by MikeBMW

BlaineBug · April 26, 2023

No thanks I don't want to sit by idle while things turn to _ _ _ _.

MikeBMW · April 26, 2023

1 minute ago, BlaineBug said:

No thanks I don't want to sit by idle while things turn to _ _ _ _.

Maybe there is a better platform for that.
This just ain't it.

KARNUT · April 26, 2023

1 hour ago, MikeBMW said:

Oh, ******, are we really gonna turn this forum into a political tit-for-tat?
If so, I'm just gonna see the door on my way out and softly close it behind me.

It’s not political, it’s a fact.

swathdiver · April 26, 2023

1 hour ago, MikeBMW said:

Maybe there is a better platform for that.
This just ain't it.

Come on Mike, you're smart enough to know that politics in Washington GREATLY affects our cars. We ought not be bullied into silence for trying to discuss the mess their meddling created.

diyer2 · April 26, 2023

Politics is like arguing with the wife.

BlaineBug · April 26, 2023

1 hour ago, diyer2 said:

Politics is like arguing with the wife.

I don't argue with my wife

BlaineBug · April 26, 2023

9 hours ago, swathdiver said:

Come on Mike, you're smart enough to know that politics in Washington GREATLY affects our cars. We ought not be bullied into silence for trying to discuss the mess their meddling created.

Truth

newdude · April 26, 2023

Ya know, if I were the lead on the class act, I'd be pushing for GM to offer an AFM delete if there is a failure, and they can do it as an extended warranty or special policy.

It can be done both ways, either GM issues a re-program of the ECM to disable AFM for a truck that has had prior failure or no failure as of yet, or a full mechanical delete on trucks that have presented with AFM lifter failure.

I feel like this would possibly satisfy both sides of the lawsuit? GM can control their expenses by not having to mechanically delete ALL the trucks and reprogram those that are good at the moment, but then still can repair those with a current failure and prevent themselves further expense from coverages down the road.

Edited April 26, 2023 by newdude

swathdiver · April 26, 2023

30 minutes ago, newdude said:

Ya know, if I were the lead on the class act, I'd be pushing for GM to offer an AFM delete if there is a failure, and they can do it as an extended warranty or special policy.

It can be done both ways, either GM issues a re-program of the ECM to disable AFM for a truck that has had prior failure or no failure as of yet, or a full mechanical delete on trucks that have presented with AFM lifter failure.

I feel like this would possibly satisfy both sides of the lawsuit? GM can control their expenses by not having to mechanically delete ALL the trucks and reprogram those that are good at the moment, but then still can repair those with a current failure and prevent themselves further expense from coverages down the road.

They'd have to get Washington's approval. All those commies would be crying foul over the increased emissions from a few thousand cars.

Ubiquity · April 26, 2023

Shucks, now you political types got me missing the oldest vehicle I've ever owned. A 1966 VW Bug in 1985. Boy I sure wish they made them that simple still. Just patch the rust till it is no longer feasible and buy the next one. My 1968 and '70 GM's straight six'rs were pretty awesome too. Well, at least my Ubiquity has manual cranks for the windows.

Not being truly part of the group, my hope is that you're not offended by my interrupting the stream of consciousness that this topic provides.

BlaineBug · April 26, 2023

6 hours ago, newdude said:

Ya know, if I were the lead on the class act, I'd be pushing for GM to offer an AFM delete if there is a failure, and they can do it as an extended warranty or special policy.

It can be done both ways, either GM issues a re-program of the ECM to disable AFM for a truck that has had prior failure or no failure as of yet, or a full mechanical delete on trucks that have presented with AFM lifter failure.

I feel like this would possibly satisfy both sides of the lawsuit? GM can control their expenses by not having to mechanically delete ALL the trucks and reprogram those that are good at the moment, but then still can repair those with a current failure and prevent themselves further expense from coverages down the road.

AFM delete would be more than just a programming, FYI. Those tunes and the little OBD dongles are nothing more than "disables" but all of the mechanical hardware from AFM or DFM is still present in the valvetrain.

Edited April 26, 2023 by BlaineBug

newdude · April 27, 2023

14 hours ago, BlaineBug said:

AFM delete would be more than just a programming, FYI. Those tunes and the little OBD dongles are nothing more than "disables" but all of the mechanical hardware from AFM or DFM is still present in the valvetrain.

A full mechanical delete, sure that's more than just programming. GM could simply write a new ECM calibration that can be flashed at the dealer to disable AFM, just like someone can do with HP Tuners. It would at least be something that could be offered as we all know they won't fork out of pocket for a full mechanical delete. That would be reserved for those with a current down truck from AFM failure or if someone complained enough.

An electronic disable does significantly reduce the odds of future failure (not 100% eliminate failure rate but close to it).

Edited April 27, 2023 by newdude