Long, long term. Am I nuts?

[OnTheReel]

To get back on topic, I plan on keeping my current truck through at least the next twenty variants.

[Transient]

7 hours ago, asilverblazer said:

I think the long term fuel sources are also tied to our homes - how many are heated with natural gas, propane and heating oil? Plus look at all the infrastructure tied to those industries. They are going anywhere anytime soon, but as demand lessens for unleaded and then eventually diesel, it will become harder to find and more expensive to buy. 

 

When 1/2 the cars seen on the road are electric - you think fuel will be on every street corner?

 

That being said, I agree with the above - I'm not opposed to electric, so long as I can tow an RV 500-750 miles and be at my destination in less than 12 hours then readily re-fuel - err charge - fine.  As was said though it'll be a long time (if ever) before those out of the way places have the electrical infrastructure in place. 

You forget that the population is growing.  Half of 200 is the same as 0 of 100.

[Moend]

I feel bad for op. His question turned into political debate. My grandfather use to say to make it as a politician you must have done something bad or about to. They are all crocked a$$hole just pick your poison. I am from ND and voted Republican all my life until last election. And It didn't matter eitherway. Trump biggest accomplishment is distroying the republian party. I was hoping for Mr Pence to take over he could have saved us.

 

 

Back to EV. They are far from being ready to replace our ice engines, and as far as environment. Make me a truck that run on $hit and exhauste holy water with no to little compromises I will be first inline to buy one.

 

In conclusion I wont start a polar bear on fire, and I wont throw my kid to feed a starving one either.

[asilverblazer]

9 hours ago, Transient said:

You forget that the population is growing.  Half of 200 is the same as 0 of 100.

1/2 x 200 = 100

0 x 100 = 0

0 does not equal 100 

 

/\ I'm just teasing about that...

 

I think you are getting at that in the future the amount of ICE vehicles will remain relatively constant or comparable to present quantities. I disagree because they will eventually be discarded as the wear out, break and get crashed. We WILL reach a peak ICE vehicle number and it WILL decline after that; at that point fueling them will only get more difficult. That could be 100 years in the future or 10 - I don't know, nor am I speculating... kind of like leaded gasoline. I'm sure it used to be easy to find, cheap, etc. Try finding it now.

 

[16LT4]

What will be interesting is when the lithium fires become increasingly common, and EVs face bridge, tunnel, parking garage, and ferry restrictions.  What will be really interesting is when insurance carriers begin to take note when the current outliers become trends and raise insurance premiums as a result.  Insurance rates helped doom the late '60s muscle cars, and would erode any perceived cost savings of EV.  GM has already basically said "don't park your Volt next to anything you care about," and Germany has currently suspended E-buses in some areas pending further investigation and improvements.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/15/gm-advising-some-bolt-ev-owners-to-park-50-feet-away-from-other-cars.html#:~:text=GM is advising some Chevrolet,of batteries spontaneously catching fire.

 

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/11/08/e-vehicle-woes-german-cities-remove-e-buses-from-service-after-bursting-in-flames-fire-hazard/

 

Lithium fires get real fun, real fast.

 

I daily drive a '70 VW Bug as a commuter, and see no reason to change that.

[KARNUT]

15 minutes ago, 16LT4 said:

What will be interesting is when the lithium fires become increasingly common, and EVs face bridge, tunnel, parking garage, and ferry restrictions.  What will be really interesting is when insurance carriers begin to take note when the current outliers become trends and raise insurance premiums as a result.  Insurance rates helped doom the late '60s muscle cars, and would erode any perceived cost savings of EV.  GM has already basically said "don't park your Volt next to anything you care about," and Germany has currently suspended E-buses in some areas pending further investigation and improvements.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/15/gm-advising-some-bolt-ev-owners-to-park-50-feet-away-from-other-cars.html#:~:text=GM is advising some Chevrolet,of batteries spontaneously catching fire.

 

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/11/08/e-vehicle-woes-german-cities-remove-e-buses-from-service-after-bursting-in-flames-fire-hazard/

 

Lithium fires get real fun, real fast.

 

I daily drive a '70 VW Bug as a commuter, and see no reason to change that.

One of the draws to most evs is performance. The only reason for my first look. The insurance companies will take notice before too long.

[Transient]

36 minutes ago, asilverblazer said:

1/2 x 200 = 100

0 x 100 = 0

0 does not equal 100 

 

/\ I'm just teasing about that...

 

I think you are getting at that in the future the amount of ICE vehicles will remain relatively constant or comparable to present quantities. I disagree because they will eventually be discarded as the wear out, break and get crashed. We WILL reach a peak ICE vehicle number and it WILL decline after that; at that point fueling them will only get more difficult. That could be 100 years in the future or 10 - I don't know, nor am I speculating... kind of like leaded gasoline. I'm sure it used to be easy to find, cheap, etc. Try finding it now.

 

You're right that the way I represented the numbers didn't make sense, but also correct in my intent.  Although we see a bunch of EVs coming to market, one thing has never been said by all the car companies.  They aren't ending production of the ICE vehicles.  Just look at the Silverado an F150 as examples.

[txab]

Not a Covid thread. Stay on topic. Covid discussions are not what this site is about. Take it to your Fbook pages. Moderating pissing matches gets old

Edited January 18, 2022 by txab