The same new emissions that are destroying the motorhome chassis are coming to HD's

64BAwagon · November 6

Several stories dropped this week about the Motorhome chassis builders Freightliner and Spartan being unable to ship 2025MY chassis to CA,MA,NJ,OR and 2 others I cant recall. This is due to their inability to meet new emissions rules that require a percentage of their chassis to be EV. Since no commercially viable model exists in either companys near future they will not be allowed to sell their other models in those states.

There are similar issues facing GM, Ford and Ram with their HD trucks. The new Duramax is going to be 8.3L in order to comply and Cummins is rumored to be looking at a 7L plus new version. The Dmax is a whole new ball game, likely dramatically increasing complexity and operating costs.

C/K Man · November 6

IN addition, Ford has not been able to sell any 2025 model year diesel F-650 and 750 trucks in CARB states since they introduced the 2025 versions of these trucks last January. No word on if they will return for the 2026 model year, which will start 1st. quarter 2025 for those trucks. Isuzu (and Chevy) also have not sold any 2025 year model LCF's with the 4HK1 diesel in CARB states either, but they did get the Cummins powered FTR and 6500/7500 series trucks certified. I think a lot of this is due more to emissions regulations (particularly NOX) than the EV mandates.

Edited November 6 by C/K Man

64BAwagon · November 6

1 hour ago, C/K Man said:

IN addition, Ford has not been able to sell any 2025 model year diesel F-650 and 750 trucks in CARB states since they introduced the 2025 versions of these trucks last January. No word on if they will return for the 2026 model year, which will start 1st. quarter 2025 for those trucks. Isuzu (and Chevy) also have not sold any 2025 year model LCF's with the 4HK1 diesel in CARB states either, but they did get the Cummins powered FTR and 6500/7500 series trucks certified. I think a lot of this is due more to emissions regulations (particularly NOX) than the EV mandates.

The way I understand it is that depending on the type of powerplant the 2 things are intertwined although I dont know the exact details, I think we can assume its overly complex and hard to understand given where it came from.

Pryme · November 6

Ram will also be possibly contending with tariffs in the future on their made in Mexico HD trucks. Which I think is good. Make them here or pay the price. That’s the main reason I didn’t even look at a ram hd.

bruceb58 · November 7

4 hours ago, Pryme said:

Ram will also be possibly contending with tariffs in the future on their made in Mexico HD trucks. Which I think is good. Make them here or pay the price. That’s the main reason I didn’t even look at a ram hd.

That would violate the terms of USMCA(formerly NAFTA).

Tariffs are stupid. Hope they don't happen for the sake of our economy.

Edited November 7 by bruceb58

revrnd · November 7

14 hours ago, Pryme said:

Ram will also be possibly contending with tariffs in the future on their made in Mexico HD trucks. Which I think is good. Make them here or pay the price. [b]That’s the main reason I didn’t even look at a ram hd[/b].

Don't be saying that out loud. I made a similar statement elsewhere on the forum as a retired Canadian autoworker about outsourced vehicles & parts from Mexico & got lectured to.

Are all Dodge HDs built in Mexico?

lineman1234 · November 7

55 minutes ago, revrnd said:

Don't be saying that out loud. I made a similar statement elsewhere on the forum as a retired Canadian autoworker about outsourced vehicles & parts from Mexico & got lectured to.

Are all Dodge HDs built in Mexico?

Not sure on all, rams. But my custom ordered 2015 2500 regular cab with the 6.7 cummins was. Well built fit and finish.

I was in PA still at that time. It came by rail to somewhere in Jersey that was no more than 100 miles from the dealer.

Basic ware items, but like any other brand diesel, used as a grocery getter, sooner or later will come emissions problems. And i did have emissions problems because of it. Its nice and simple under warranty, but gets expensive quick not under warranty.

Its the reason i went with my currant cheby gasser HD for my needs.

And, it stopped being Dodge in 2009, its Ram from there on. For the pickups/trucks/

Edited November 7 by lineman1234

Pryme · November 7

1 hour ago, revrnd said:

Don't be saying that out loud. I made a similar statement elsewhere on the forum as a retired Canadian autoworker about outsourced vehicles & parts from Mexico & got lectured to.

Are all Dodge HDs built in Mexico?

Yeah all HD rams are built in Mexico.

revrnd · November 7

29 minutes ago, lineman1234 said:

And, it stopped being Dodge in 2009, its Ram from there on. For the pickups/trucks/

True. I just live in a simpler time when my first truck was an '82 GMC K15 w/ the High Sierra trim package.

Back to emissions I think Canada has been using the US Federal standards for a few years now. I'm surprised the braintrust in Ottawa hasn't adopted the CARB standards in their ongoing battle to save the planet.

How do you guys see the new Administration treating EVs, especially w/ Musk being a supporter?

In Canada, GM is delaying changing the St Catherines Engine Plant over to EV components for a year. Ford changed their mind about Oakville Assembly. Stopped in the middle of retooling it for EVs earlier this year and will be a truck plant building Super Dutys going forward.

BowtieOwner · November 7

2 hours ago, revrnd said:

Don't be saying that out loud. I made a similar statement elsewhere on the forum as a retired Canadian autoworker about outsourced vehicles & parts from Mexico & got lectured to.

Are all Dodge HDs built in Mexico?

You do know that Canada, just like Mexico, is not actually part of the United States right?

So any opinions about "outsourced" vehicles and parts from one is the same as the other, considering they're all part of the USMCA.

revrnd · November 7

Yes. 6 of the 8 GM trucks Ive bought were built in the US. Two in Canada where wages are roughly the same.

EDIT: GM of Canada has been building cars and trucks in Oshawa, Ontario since 1918 (my grandfather started in 1923).

Edited November 7 by revrnd

C/K Man · November 7

I still have a Oshawa built 2005 Impala I bought new. A friend of mine's dad worked there, he was in L.A. visiting years ago and we went to dinner in the car. He asked how I liked it and if I had any trouble with it, I told him it rattled a lot going over bumps until I tossed out all the empty Molson bottles I found under the back seat......

But seriously he was a great guy and that Impala has been one of the best cars I have ever owned.

johnnyquick · November 7

16 hours ago, bruceb58 said:

That would violate the terms of USMCA(formerly NAFTA).

Tariffs are stupid. Hope they don't happen for the sake of our economy.

I pray that they DO happen for the sake of our economy.

bruceb58 · November 7

1 hour ago, johnnyquick said:

I pray that they DO happen for the sake of our economy.

If you like paying more for practically everything you buy, you will get that. Even your GM truck that is assembled in the US is made with close to 50% of imported parts.

Edited November 7 by bruceb58

brad bill · November 7

I am the CTO and CFO for a small tech firm. All of our parts are manufactured outside the US. Our biggest clients are US automakers. Guess what happens to the prices of the electronic parts we sell them when there is a tariff.