Kerrville flooding

[customboss]

10 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

That family has been running that place for decades. That way of thinking no one would live in Florida, Galveston, anywhere 100 miles of the ocean. Or tornado alley. Or on the mountains. You get the point. It can’t happen to you until it does. I have a stand by Generator. I also have trees. If the wind is north of 70 mph. I’m bailing. I’ll turn on the generator and hope for the best. I can buy more meat. 

We have more energy in atmosphere, heated air holds more moisture, why NJ flooded yesterday. Thats a change. The Guadalupe is not a safe area. Just like arroyo flooding in Southwest USA you stay away. Build in a known flood zone you’ll loose eventually. 
No building can handle a 20 foot wall of flash flooding. 
 

 

[customboss]

The torrent

	By Tom Wright-Piersanti I’m an editor for The Morning newsletter.

The rainwater flowed into my central New Jersey home on Monday night, carving rivulets across my floor that grew into streams and then ponds. My sump pump was quickly overmatched; so was my wet vac. A second pump, which I hoped would drain pooling water through a window, shot a geyser of brown basement liquid into my face.

My battle against the elements left me with a sore back and a cellar full of sopping mementos, musical instruments and holiday decorations. But I got off easy. The flash floods did far more damage just a few towns over. There, roads became rivers. Two people died when fast-rising waters carried their car into a stream. “Water has killed more people in my time as governor than any other sort of weather event,” Gov. Phil Murphy, a Democrat, lamented yesterday. He blamed climate change.

Many factors influence the weather, and scientists don’t like to say that climate change caused this specific storm or that one. But researchers know that climate change is causing heavier rainfall in many storms — the warmer the atmosphere gets, the more moisture it can hold and release. Extreme rainstorms have become more common around the world.

The last month has brought a rush of the resulting floods. Over a single week, the water surged in New Mexico, Illinois, North Carolina and Texas, where the deluge killed more than 130 people.

Are you safe?

Flash floods are the hardest disasters to prevent. What should you know about your neighborhood’s flood risk? Claire Brown, who covers the climate, talked to experts about why you may be at more risk than you think, what you can do about it and how local governments are adapting.

FEMA’s flood maps. The agency publishes maps that inform zoning regulations and building standards. They also affect which homeowners have to buy flood insurance. (Search for your address here.) But experts worry that these maps underestimate the risk of sudden and intense storms that lead to the rapid rise of rivers — such as the one that inundated Camp Mystic in Texas this month. By one estimate, more than twice as many properties are prone to once-in-a-century floods as FEMA maps suggest. As many as 440,000 homes across the country may be underinsured for flood risk.

Where else to look. The government frequently updates maps of current and past floods and runs a water prediction service. The National Weather Service is refining a tool to visualize floods at street level. Real estate websites like Zillow, Redfin and Realtor.com also use models from an independent research firm to share flood-risk data on listings.

States adapt. Many are bolstering their warning systems and building infrastructure. New York City, for example, is building a 2.4-mile system of flood walls and floodgates designed to protect the East Side of Manhattan. After thousands of Vermont residents lost homes and businesses in a 2023 flood, the state is improving its alert system and may require homeowners to disclose past flood damage when they sell property. It’s also buying homes in floodplains and turning them into parkland.

More coverage

Florida and the central Gulf Coast face a risk of flash flooding in the coming days. A summer camp in Central Texas serving disabled youths reopened barely a week after the flooding. An army of volunteers helped it clean up.

[KARNUT]

59 minutes ago, customboss said:

We have more energy in atmosphere, heated air holds more moisture, why NJ flooded yesterday. Thats a change. The Guadalupe is not a safe area. Just like arroyo flooding in Southwest USA you stay away. Build in a known flood zone you’ll loose eventually. 
No building can handle a 20 foot wall of flash flooding. 
 

 

I’ve seen floods in NJ. In 1978 I saw 4 major snow storms. Three over 20 inches the last over 6. Exactly one week apart each. The last two years we’ve had droughts this time of year. In the last month I’ve had 30 inches of rain. That’s why I live on a hill. My brother in law had his tornado warning go off twice. He has a shelter. Before that he lived in Slidell. Five years for work. He had a tornado and at least six tropical systems. Three within weeks of each other. Last year we had a hurricane I lost electricity 8hrs. Preparation is the key. 

[customboss]

2 hours ago, KARNUT said:

I’ve seen floods in NJ. In 1978 I saw 4 major snow storms. Three over 20 inches the last over 6. Exactly one week apart each. The last two years we’ve had droughts this time of year. In the last month I’ve had 30 inches of rain. That’s why I live on a hill. My brother in law had his tornado warning go off twice. He has a shelter. Before that he lived in Slidell. Five years for work. He had a tornado and at least six tropical systems. Three within weeks of each other. Last year we had a hurricane I lost electricity 8hrs. Preparation is the key. 

Absolutely and part of that is don’t go to an arroyo to live. I grew up in Southern Indiana on a farm. Mostly hilly red clay. When it flooded it held and became a lake in

lower fields. Our house built in 1760’s was the on highest part of the section of land. Those settlers weren’t stupid or ignorant. 

Edited July 16, 2025 by customboss
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[txab]

If I lived in Oklahoma and had a tornado shelter, damn straight I'd be in it. Tornadoes love OK. They love trailer parks even more.

 

Wished I had a shelter. If I were to build another place, I would definitely have a room built to withstand a tornado. Not interested in running across a yard while it's raining or hailing. I want something I can just step into at a moments notice and have communication ability as well as battery back up power while in there, if it's needed.

 

I've built them for others. Had an in ground one that was accessed through the garage floor in my first house I built for myself. I don't want steps or ladders now. Years in the future, I don't want to be spinning around in the atmosphere, strapped into my Little Jazzy, If I were using one, just because there were steps.   

Edited July 16, 2025 by txab

[Black02Silverado]

We get tornado's here and this time of the year, from June to Nov1st it's hurricane season.  I just pray we don't get any. It seems they are worse every year and have stronger winds.  We are a target for them it seems.  They like to come in at the mouth of the Cape Fear River and just head straight up it.  We also seem to be lucky and on the right side of the storms, the worst side.  We are about a mile off the coast as the crow flies. 

 

If we would ever move, don't think we will I would build a tornado shelter.  Right now, I think the only safe place is a small interior half bath.  Unless we jumped into our swimming pool.  

[Atlas]

On 7/16/2025 at 2:35 PM, txab said:

They love trailer parks even more.

 

Actually, they don't. There's just a lot of trailer parks in Oklahoma and where there are tornadoes.

[customboss]

14 minutes ago, Atlas said:

 

Actually, they don't. There's just a lot of trailer parks in Oklahoma and where there are tornadoes.

That’s cause the normal Okie can’t afford a house. 

[KARNUT]

12 minutes ago, customboss said:

That’s cause the normal Okie can’t afford a house. 

My brother in law bought his retirement home in Oklahoma. He looked everywhere. Could live anywhere. He brought a large house in an acreage subdivision where the swell people live. The taxes are low the weather is livable. You are wise to have a tornado shelter. But you get a warning. The only reason I’m not his neighbor is most of our family is within 10 miles. The prices are very reasonable. 

[customboss]

13 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

My brother in law bought his retirement home in Oklahoma. He looked everywhere. Could live anywhere. He brought a large house in an acreage subdivision where the swell people live. The taxes are low the weather is livable. You are wise to have a tornado shelter. But you get a warning. The only reason I’m not his neighbor is most of our family is within 10 miles. The prices are very reasonable. 

Still the worker in Oklahoma can’t afford a stick house but buys a mobile home. For obvious reasons. 

[KARNUT]

1 minute ago, customboss said:

Still the worker in Oklahoma can’t afford a stick house but buys a mobile home. For obvious reasons. 

They buy one because it’s easy. Most just don’t want to wait to build. You can still buy land cheap in Oklahoma. I’m seeing people buying land get a single wide build a poll barn around it. Later they have a big metal house. 

[customboss]

3 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

They buy one because it’s easy. Most just don’t want to wait to build. You can still buy land cheap in Oklahoma. I’m seeing people buying land get a single wide build a poll barn around it. Later they have a big metal house. 

Working class majority don’t have  enough $$. Or they’d do the barndomenium.
 

 

[KARNUT]

11 minutes ago, customboss said:

Working class majority don’t have  enough $$. Or they’d do the barndomenium.
 

 

They probably all go to Starbucks. That’s not saving. That’s lazy. When Starbucks fails I’ll know people are wising up. Yesterday again I went into a gas station store after getting gas with my tumbler. Got ice water. It was free. Bottled water was 2 bucks. People aren’t trying. 

[customboss]

10 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

They probably all go to Starbucks. That’s not saving. That’s lazy. When Starbucks fails I’ll know people are wising up. Yesterday again I went into a gas station store after getting gas with my tumbler. Got ice water. It was free. Bottled water was 2 bucks. People aren’t trying. 

You might be giving working class a bit of a back handed slap. I lived in Ada OK for a few years and most there did not make enough for a basic house. So the rented or bought a mobile home. I respect your input. We disagree. That’s ok. Most working class People buy what they can afford and do best for their families. My kids in Greenville TX buy  Starbucks but they make $200,000 a year. Still broke. 

[txab]

1 hour ago, Atlas said:

 

Actually, they don't. There's just a lot of trailer parks in Oklahoma and where there are tornadoes.

Apparently you miss the humor. Of course their are "lots" of trailer parks. Other reason is a house might survive a tornado with a close brush, whereas a MH, not properly tied down, properly underpinned with more than just plastic panels and well constructed, will be obliterated by nearby wind speed.

I've been through it. My house and a neighbor's survived with window damage and loss of some roofing, but the house between us was gone. Fortunately working for Halliburton I was always gone and didn't have to be in the house when it hit

 

Also depends on size of the funnel of course too

 

Edited July 22, 2025 by txab