Oil catch can?

[Jsdirt]

Today's GM!

[GDI Tech]

LOL! First case in 15 years of the Elite/RX design and 10's of thousands in use. This was a tech that blew the customers engine driving it with no oil pressure from a failed oil pump. GM has now gotten the entire story and is taking care of the customer.

 

Nice try, but it is against Federal Law to void a warranty for these. Many out there would though as they defeat the PCV systems functions and can cause damage.

 

Cheers!!

[thetruck454]

Just for info, the truck had a elite E2 can on it the day I drove it back from the dealership. Here is 10,000 miles with that can.

 

[1300c]

The issue according to the OP on that forum is that it's being investigated. Not necessarily "taken care of." I'm not saying it won't be taken care of by GM, and I really hope they do, but still it's always a risk of a lot of hassle if you modify a vehicle. You better have the resources for good representation when they say they're denying a claim because that's what it really boils down to. It seems his only saving grace is they drove the car with no oil pressure. If they hadn't they would have a much stronger position possibly in court to deny the claim if the OP could afford to take it there anyways.

[Jordan18]

Just for info, the truck had a elite E2 can on it the day I drove it back from the dealership. Here is 10,000 miles with that can.

 

 

Compared to some others without a can, this is pretty good. Do you have any close ups of the valves themselves?

 

 

The whole deal with a catch can voiding warranty is BS, it's the same deal with after market airfilters.

 

Honestly if I had an engine issue which required it to be towed, I'll rip out the CC in just few minutes and return it to stock. I keep tools and a stock PCV hose in my truck for this very reason because I know the dealers would bring it up if something happened.

Edited May 15, 2016 by Jordan18

[thetruck454]

 

Compared to some others without a can, this is pretty good. Do you have any close ups of the valves themselves?

 

No I don't, I could get my cell phone to get good close-ups

[Jordan18]

 

No they're not. This one customer is having an issue with one dealer (not sure who's Catch Can), but the Catch Can will NOT void your manufacturer's warranty.

 

Does ELITE have a guarantee the same way K+N will cover your engine costs if the air filter is proven to be the cause? If they do, I'll swap my RX right now.

Edited May 15, 2016 by Jordan18

[Jordan18]

No I don't, I could get my cell phone to get good close-ups

 

It would be nice to see just to compare.

 

Here's a picture from another thread, 30K miles and no catch can. From this perspective they actually look comparable... but the lighting is everything

Edited May 15, 2016 by Jordan18

[jrob56]

 

Does ELITE have a guarantee the same way K+N will cover your engine costs if the air filter is proven to be the cause? If they do, I'll swap my RX right now.

I highly doubt it

 

As of now final word is GM is not covering the repair and the owner has accepted it.

[GDI Tech]

The valves look about right. There is still app. 5% of the coking that cannot be prevented due to the EGR function emulation that back fills the ports by variable valve timing events. Nice to see some pretty minor deposits for once! Still would run a solvent based upper induction cleaner while running to see how much of that can be removed.

Yes, the owner stopped the fight....but IMHO he should have pushed it with a Magnasun/Moss attorney. Many of us donated to the cause and would donate more to set precedence.

[GDI Tech]

They also have refused to provide him an explanation as to how a proper system could possibly cause the oil pump to fail....it is physically impossible as the flow and function of the PCV system is not altered, and the PCV system has nothing to do with the oiling system.

[1300c]

They also have refused to provide him an explanation as to how a proper system could possibly cause the oil pump to fail....it is physically impossible as the flow and function of the PCV system is not altered, and the PCV system has nothing to do with the oiling system.

I think this is where it always boils down (in situations of one person against a corporation) of who is willing to spend the most in a court of law. My dealer makes notes of everything on every vehicle. I think we'll see manufacturers going to greater, and greater lengths to have their product left untouched. I think that consumer could've had a good case, but how many average people know about Magnusson/Moss let alone are willing to fight something like this?

[GDI Tech]

I think this is where it always boils down (in situations of one person against a corporation) of who is willing to spend the most in a court of law. My dealer makes notes of everything on every vehicle. I think we'll see manufacturers going to greater, and greater lengths to have their product left untouched. I think that consumer could've had a good case, but how many average people know about Magnusson/Moss let alone are willing to fight something like this?

You may be right, but for decades some dealers have played this "double dip" game where they deny to cover a issue that should be, and then get the customer to pay AND collect from the automaker. This is only a small percentage of dealers, but is a serious issue. In this guy's case they did deny it with the automaker as well, . Also, this is the first ever documented case with Elite and the similar correct designed systems. There have always been warranty's denied/voided for cold air intakes, headers, aftermarket plug wires, exhaust, lift kits, after market wheels and tires, etc. that are not legal grounds to deny, but you are correct that most never "push back" so the dealer assumes the average consumer is not aware of the Magnasun/Moss act and similar protections.

[Glava2876]

I was wondering if this truck's engine has any type of oil catch mechanism from the PCV. Only reason is I worry a bit with it being a DI engine and no fuel being sprayed on the intake valve to keep it clean. If there isn't, then I'll be giving a call to one of my distributors for a oil catch can.

 

 

I just wanted to share a dealer experience today. It's not my GMC 6.2, but I brought my 2015 Corvette Z51 in for the second oil change. At my dealer you can walk to a block 1/2 wall and watch the Corvette specialist work on your car.

I was watching him open the hood and getting it ready to go up on the lift.

A little later he said, "Good to see you have a Catch Can -I like the Elite". I told him that I had wanted to ask his opinion because there is so much on the internet on both the Corvette and the GM truck site regarding their value or not.

He said he absolutely recommended them and started to describe what can happen if you don't have one, but stopped and said "hold on, come over to the bench".

He pulled out a couple of really coked up valves and said, "this is what you prevent from happening".

When I installed the Catch Can, it was because after hearing all of the Pros & Cons, it made sense to me, that it was worth the extra protection and added maintenance to take better care of the engine -so it was nice to have a Corvette specialist confirm, before I asked, that it is a good thing to do.

This is just MY experience and opinion.

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[Elite Engineering]

 

 

I just wanted to share a dealer experience today. It's not my GMC 6.2, but I brought my 2015 Corvette Z51 in for the second oil change. At my dealer you can walk to a block 1/2 wall and watch the Corvette specialist work on your car.

I was watching him open the hood and getting it ready to go up on the lift.

A little later he said, "Good to see you have a Catch Can -I like the Elite". I told him that I had wanted to ask his opinion because there is so much on the internet on both the Corvette and the GM truck site regarding their value or not.

He said he absolutely recommended them and started to describe what can happen if you don't have one, but stopped and said "hold on, come over to the bench".

He pulled out a couple of really coked up valves and said, "this is what you prevent from happening".

When I installed the Catch Can, it was because after hearing all of the Pros & Cons, it made sense to me, that it was worth the extra protection and added maintenance to take better care of the engine -so it was nice to have a Corvette specialist confirm, before I asked, that it is a good thing to do.

This is just MY experience and opinion.

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Great information, thanks for sharing!