New egoboost

[PMattras]

This should be in the "Off Topic" section. Ford topic and not a Chevy topic.

[MikeNH]

San something. Still think the length was optimized for the EB. GM V8s are soft out off the line too but I bet even a 5.3 would walk a 2.7 on a full 1/4 mile.

[nards444]

When i was looking in 2013 that was the nail in the ford coffin, the premium requirement. It can change, and with the fuel management you can use just about anything and the knock sensors will prevent detonation.

problem is thats never been a requirement. Only reccomended with towing. So I dont know what information you got. I owned one for two years, and know three others with them and ran nothing but 87 without issue.

 

 

see page 195 http://www.fordservicecontent.com/Ford_Content/catalog/owner_guides/13f12om1e.pdf

[LSR Mike]

Cest la vie

[nards444]

San something. Still think the length was optimized for the EB. GM V8s are soft out off the line too but I bet even a 5.3 would walk a 2.7 on a full 1/4 mile.

1/4 mile test for a truck is really irrelevent to test. I mean its a factor, but people act like a truck is a sports car and its not. 5.3 would probably take a 2.7 but it would be close as the 2.7 has 325 horsepower and 375 lb of torque. Combine that with weight loss, and the fact that in the eco your getting all of your torque right away and the 5.3 might not get all of it until the race is almost done, it would be a tight race.

[LSR Mike]

This is what caused me to drop the Ford from Consideration.

 

3.5L V6 EcoBoostTM engine
Your vehicle is designed to run on regular fuel with an octane rating of 87 or higher. For best overall performance, premium fuel with an octane rating of 91 or higher is recommended. The performance gained by using premium fuel will be most noticeable in hot weather or in severe duty applications such as towing a trailer.

 

I race a boosted (30lbs) 4 Cylinder engine and tune on 115 octane gas, you need the higher octane to keep detonation in check, otherwise you have to pull timing out which reduces power. The reason Ford is recommending premium for towing/heavy duty applications. The Fuel computer reads the knock sensor and advances or retards the timing based on what it "hears". High octane= less knock = more timing= more power output.

 

The turbo's were the reason I was interested in the Ford in the first place, you can do A LOT with a turbocharged engine with the right tools and know how. I made a personal choice to stay with Chevrolet. I got more HP with the 2014 Silverado 5.3 Direct Injection on 87 Octane that I was getting from my 2003 Silverado SS with a 6.0 on 93 octane.

[MikeNH]

1/4 mile test for a truck is really irrelevent to test. I mean its a factor, but people act like a truck is a sports car and its not. 5.3 would probably take a 2.7 but it would be close as the 2.7 has 325 horsepower and 375 lb of torque. Combine that with weight loss, and the fact that in the eco your getting all of your torque right away and the 5.3 might not get all of it until the race is almost done, it would be a tight race.

Fords weight loss is a joke- I laugh my ass off at people who make a big deal of it. Ford trucks where 300+ lbs heavier than a comparable GM for years.

[nards444]

Fords weight loss is a joke- I laugh my ass off at people who make a big deal of it. Ford trucks where 300+ lbs heavier than a comparable GM for years.

I agree, but to lose 700lbs or whatever it was is pretty substanial. But what I was referring to was between the numbers on the 2.7 and less weight that power pack has compared to a 5.3 and then I guess the general weight loss overall, I wouldnt be putting any bets on a stock 5.3

[nards444]

This is what caused me to drop the Ford from Consideration.

 

3.5L V6 EcoBoostTM engine

Your vehicle is designed to run on regular fuel with an octane rating of 87 or higher. For best overall performance, premium fuel with an octane rating of 91 or higher is recommended. The performance gained by using premium fuel will be most noticeable in hot weather or in severe duty applications such as towing a trailer.

 

I race a boosted (30lbs) 4 Cylinder engine and tune on 115 octane gas, you need the higher octane to keep detonation in check, otherwise you have to pull timing out which reduces power. The reason Ford is recommending premium for towing/heavy duty applications. The Fuel computer reads the knock sensor and advances or retards the timing based on what it "hears". High octane= less knock = more timing= more power output.

 

The turbo's were the reason I was interested in the Ford in the first place, you can do A LOT with a turbocharged engine with the right tools and know how. I made a personal choice to stay with Chevrolet. I got more HP with the 2014 Silverado 5.3 Direct Injection on 87 Octane that I was getting from my 2003 Silverado SS with a 6.0 on 93 octane.

Well said and good info. I can tell you after owning one and towing heavy as in 10k, i towed with 87 and 91 and to be quite honest really didnt notice a difference in performance or MPG. Im not a novice or an expert, probably somewhere in between, and for most guys your not going to see it. For the professional I guess I could see it being a turn off.

[MikeNH]

The 3.5 has its merits, I'm sure it can haul ass. But since fuel use is not important to me I see the 2.7 as pointless. I'd buy the 5.0 over it without any consideration.

[nards444]

The 3.5 has its merits, I'm sure it can haul ass. But since fuel use is not important to me I see the 2.7 as pointless. I'd buy the 5.0 over it without any consideration.

Fair enough. Personally I want something with the best performance numbers to include power and MPG, I can care less what label is on the engine or how many cylinders it has.

[MikeNH]

I don't care about cyl count so much, I just don't want little ones.

[Silverado Steve]

Seems the "required" and "recommended" definition confusion strikes again.

[Jon A]

A 280 ft drag race is a joke. It was done to take advantage of lighter weight, not engine power. Off the line weight is big, along with gearing and traction. Power is less important. The second 1/2 of a 1/4 mile is where the power to weight ratio starts to make a bigger difference, really showing up in the trap speed. If they wanted to make that comparison, they could have.

[servantsalesmen]

The 2.7 is going to be a hit though. Think about what market they are going after. The 2.7 will never be a towing beast. It will never be the loudest or the fastest. The 2.7 is designed to attract buyers who want a truck but don't want or need a V8. I would be willing to bet that most 2.7 liter trucks that are sold will be to average Joe family man. Joe needs a practical vehicle that can take his whole family of four in comfort. Joe wants a truck. Joe is thinking of buying a small boat in the spring. So to get both his needs and wants in a vehicle, Joe buys a 2.7 Ecoboost. Crew cab for the family, enough towing for his boat a few times a year, 4X4 in the winter and decent fuel economy plus he gets his truck. I'd also bet that most average joe family men are first time truck buyers.