New egoboost

[Mickey_D]

I have seen a lot more late model F150 ecoboosts trailing light blue smoke than I have seen GM, Dodge, and Toyota combined. Turbos are lots of boost are cool, but you don't want to own one with 150K miles on it. When these things start getting real years and miles with normal person bad maintenance, resale value is going to really suffer.

[Jon A]

There is no way even the new 6.2 can match the ecoboost 3.5 with both having a tune, intake/exhasut. It's just the facts of having a factory turbo motor, they wake up very nicely with a tune.

 

I have no interest in power in a "truck" that can't be used for towing. The ecoboost tunes that make the best numbers on the dyno and drag strip are not safe to tow with. Cranking up the boost like that eats into the margin of safety and will reduce durability (even the "towing tunes" will as well, just not as much). As much as the owners wish it was, it's not a big diesel engine.

 

All the mods on the 6.2 I have planned for a while which will bring the power to very impressive levels will actually increase durability and will be able to tow all day long with no worries.

[Spurshot]

This is what caused me to drop the Ford from Consideration.

 

3.5L V6 EcoBoostTM engine

Your vehicle is designed to run on regular fuel with an octane rating of 87 or higher. For best overall performance, premium fuel with an octane rating of 91 or higher is recommended. The performance gained by using premium fuel will be most noticeable in hot weather or in severe duty applications such as towing a trailer.

 

I race a boosted (30lbs) 4 Cylinder engine and tune on 115 octane gas, you need the higher octane to keep detonation in check, otherwise you have to pull timing out which reduces power. The reason Ford is recommending premium for towing/heavy duty applications. The Fuel computer reads the knock sensor and advances or retards the timing based on what it "hears". High octane= less knock = more timing= more power output.

 

The turbo's were the reason I was interested in the Ford in the first place, you can do A LOT with a turbocharged engine with the right tools and know how. I made a personal choice to stay with Chevrolet. I got more HP with the 2014 Silverado 5.3 Direct Injection on 87 Octane that I was getting from my 2003 Silverado SS with a 6.0 on 93 octane.

 

Cool. I used to race a 1971 Pinto 2000 cc with a 4" Garrett turbo, with a 45mm Weber DCOE sidedraft carb I fabricated a manifold for and ran 30lbs. It turned 12's at well over 100, all in street trim. The year was 1973. Ak Miller was still running at Bonneville and Al Teague was machining my motor parts over in El Monte. A 911 was a target for that car. Fun days.

[Rock1500]

The 2.7 is going to be a hit though. Think about what market they are going after. The 2.7 will never be a towing beast. It will never be the loudest or the fastest. The 2.7 is designed to attract buyers who want a truck but don't want or need a V8. I would be willing to bet that most 2.7 liter trucks that are sold will be to average Joe family man. Joe needs a practical vehicle that can take his whole family of four in comfort. Joe wants a truck. Joe is thinking of buying a small boat in the spring. So to get both his needs and wants in a vehicle, Joe buys a 2.7 Ecoboost. Crew cab for the family, enough towing for his boat a few times a year, 4X4 in the winter and decent fuel economy plus he gets his truck. I'd also bet that most average joe family men are first time truck buyers.

Not for everyone but I agree. I have no use for a truck but always wanted it. Ill never really pull but I will take trips in it. I kept my commuter car too. The dealer tried to sell me a v6 and I was f no thats not a truck. I wanted a v8 and im happy with the 5.3. I just wish I got an slt instead of sle.

[glcbn]

 

The only thing you can't make up for is the sound of a v6 vs a v8 and for some like me, the sound of a v8 is worth the price of admission.

 

Oh, they got that covered too. "Enhanced sound"!! Give me a break. What's next, gas engines with "enhanced" diesel sound.

[crushNchowda]

I owned one and they impressive, all the nay sayers usually have never stepped behind the wheel of one, or if they have qualify a test drive as frist hand knowledge. I have a 14 silverado with the 5.3 and its not even in the same leauge as the ego.

Coworker has a 13 3.5 ego boost, same miles as my 5.3- truck gets 1-2mpg worse than my sierra 5.3 and it went it for brake issues, plus he also now may need a new turbo- no towing other than occasional small fishing boat

 

It's at the dealer now and he has a 5.0 ford as a loaner

[Spurshot]

Pushing an engine harder always reduces the reliability. Adding superchargers not only pushes the engine harder, it adds the complexity of the supercharger systems. In the case of turbo-superchargers (a.k.a. turbochargers, turbos) it also adds complexity and undesireable heat in the engine compartment from all the exhaust plumbing.

[nards444]

 

 

Wow, I'm so glad you found that! Nobody has seen that stuff before! Brand new info! Ecoboost rocks!

 

Really? Do we need to have the same beat-to-death-already discussion of GM's poor transmission programming and what the results would have been using the little + and - buttons?

 

Besides, that's now an obsolete configuration. The 6.2's will have the 8-speed now, which effectively has a gear between the old 2nd and 3rd, so even GM's transmission programming won't be able to mess that up.

Just comparisons. I made no comment. Obviously some have not seen that stuff before or read into it as they dont know anything beyond what one guy told them. Ill be honest the eco was a great engine, numbers are there to prove it. Are there issues with it, umm yeah, look at this board there are issues here as well. Does the eco fit everybodys need no, should everybody get it no. Im not saying you dont grasp but many just dont grasp the eco technology thus they dont like it. Me personally I think its step in a direction for something better in the future. As for the eco after owning one I would not be ashamed to put up against any stock 1/2 ton and I would be confident in that it would either finish 1st or 2nd in most towing test, which towing is what a truck is made for.

 

Its actually all obsolete as the 2015s for ford havent come out either to be tested. At the time those comparisons were done with like vehicles.

[nards444]

Pushing an engine harder always reduces the reliability. Adding superchargers not only pushes the engine harder, it adds the complexity of the supercharger systems. In the case of turbo-superchargers (a.k.a. turbochargers, turbos) it also adds complexity and undesireable heat in the engine compartment from all the exhaust plumbing.

turbos and superchargers operate off different principals. A turbo in general is better for a motor. Granted whenever you add an induction system to the mix you add more variables and more potential for failure. But with proper engineering you can mitigate those risk. Europe i.e. benz and mercedes have building vehicles with this technology for years and some of the best reliability in the world. The problem is in America we have for decades insisted on throwing more cubic in to the equation to solve performance problems, and thats fine and all but is it the best approach?

[KARNUT]

I was old school and V8 was the only was to go in my mine until we test drove my wifes 2011 Geneses. Its a V6. That car is faster than most V8 factory performance cars I had in the past at that time. I have had a few, the last one was a trailblazer ss. The only reason I didn't buy the eco boost was I went on the web sites and read about the problems they were having. I had big plans on a programmer and the HP that could add. I don't have any problems with smaller boosted or non boosted engines, as long as they are tested and proven before I buy them. The only thing that is non replaceable is the V8 sound, I plan on keeping mine quiet.

[stevev]

Coworker has a 13 3.5 ego boost, same miles as my 5.3- truck gets 1-2mpg worse than my sierra 5.3 and it went it for brake issues, plus he also now may need a new turbo- no towing other than occasional small fishing boat

 

It's at the dealer now and he has a 5.0 ford as a loaner

 

my dad and brother both got 2012 3.5ecoboost and around 25k miles and no issues thus far. My 14 5.3 does get 1 mpg better than their trucks. I had an 09 F150 with 5.4 and my new Sierra gets 2 to 3mpg better than that truck. I'm starting to hear about the brake issues like your coworker has, maybe Ford changed rotors in 2013, there 2 guys at my work complaining about the rotors on their new F150's too ('13 and '14 models).

[f8l vnm]

I was old school and V8 was the only was to go in my mine until we test drove my wifes 2011 Geneses. Its a V6. That car is faster than most V8 factory performance cars I had in the past at that time..

Don't mean to be an ass but I stopped reading after your he yun die talk. Sorry American or bust for me. By the way what v8 sports car was this he yun die faster then? I'm curious. Because it's not true

[KARNUT]

Don't mean to be an ass but I stopped reading after your he yun die talk. Sorry American or bust for me. By the way what v8 sports car was this he yun die faster then? I'm curious. Because it's not true

5.3 0-60, 13.5 in the 1/4 mile, just look it up. Most American made truck is tundra. I have own more American made rides than most people. I owned 14 Impalas alone, when they went front drive that was un American to me, the Geneses filled the spot nicely. Im the first one in line to buy American, after the 5.7 diesel, I don't buy blind anymore. By the way the Geneses is a sport sedan, I did have a Geneses coup for a while, 2011, I let you look up that V6 car and the 2011 V8 Camaro in price and performance, don't waste your time with the dodge.

[nards444]

I have seen a lot more late model F150 ecoboosts trailing light blue smoke than I have seen GM, Dodge, and Toyota combined. Turbos are lots of boost are cool, but you don't want to own one with 150K miles on it. When these things start getting real years and miles with normal person bad maintenance, resale value is going to really suffer.

Whos driving any vehicle passed 150k anymore really, and I mean really. Dont say you are. Data shows most americans dont own a car for more than 5 years or so. And really theres no emperical data to show what this engine will do or not do. Its been out 38 months now, with most hard core drivers getting 20k a year, these trucks are just getting into the 100k mark.

 

Im not saying they will do well after 150k. But its speculatory to say they wont do well or will do well, and to top it off as I said before nobody is keeping these things to 150k.

[MikeNH]

Whos driving any vehicle passed 150k anymore really, and I mean really. Dont say you are. Data shows most americans dont own a car for more than 5 years or so. And really theres no emperical data to show what this engine will do or not do. Its been out 38 months now, with most hard core drivers getting 20k a year, these trucks are just getting into the 100k mark.

 

Im not saying they will do well after 150k. But its speculatory to say they wont do well or will do well, and to top it off as I said before nobody is keeping these things to 150k.

You sure about all that?

 

http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-ihs-automotive-average-age-car-20140609-story.html