Who would get the V6 instead of the V8 if the MPG were better?

[KARNUT]

Unless you live in Texas I bet there is more 80,000$ and up trucks than cars. I bet the local Ford dealer has more Tuscany trucks than work trucks.

[Silverado Steve]

 

I agree...Unless Cadillace makes a real truck, you're stuck with the Denali....I think Chevy is trying to change that hence the High Country.

 

 

Fair enough. Personally I guess I dont see how anything with a bowtie on it exudes luxury.

[nards444]

 

I agree...Unless Cadillace makes a real truck, you're stuck with the Denali....I think Chevy is trying to change that hence the High Country.

 

 

Thats possible. I wonder if cadillac would make a truck. I wouldnt think so as the real to do, I dont think see a truck and equate it to luxury, its more of a sedan/SUV thing.

[SouthernSilveradoGuy85]

Its my problem if somebody thats in a ditch waits an hour for a tow? I guess I want to help and stop at every crash etc to make sure people are fine if nobody has stopped. I guess really all you are saying is you buy stuff because you want to, which fine, no one can say right or wrong. But I dont see where any of you what you say is really an arguement, because none of its really true, or based on a reality but yours.

 

I guess I'm one of the few that do try to help. I'm usually the 1st person someone calls that needs help. I don't buy stuff just for the sake of it. There hasn't been 1 thing I've bought that I haven't needed. So far I haven't need the V8 in my '14, but I've only had it since April. The 2 trucks I did have before this one I did need the V8 in them. May last truck was also 4x4 which I did need in snow and playing off-road. I've just always had full size Chevys with V8s so it's what I'm use to and what I like. Personally the extra cost of the 5.3 over the 4.3 is worth it. The 4.3 is still a nice V6, just to me in the long run the 5.3 makes more sense no matter what you talk about even if I didn't care what I had.

[KARNUT]

I haven't own a caddy for years, what would a caddy have that you cant get in a truck for less? I own a sport luxury sedan, I rather drive my truck it rides better too. Wife drives the car, it sits home when we go out.

[PMattras]

America’s Best-Selling Luxury Car Is … a Truck?

 

http://wallstcheatsheet.com/automobiles/10-best-selling-vehicles-over-50k-in-america.html/?ref=YF

[Brian S.]

 

There are trailers other than boats out there. Also as I said in another post, what if you have to pull someone out of a ditch, snow bank, anything where you'll need the extra power and TQ. I think it was maybe 2 years ago where a girl around my age somehow drive into a ditch. A smaller truck with a V6 tried and tried to pull her out and didn't budge the car (was a small car also, couldn't have been over 3,000 lbs). Then I hooked my 98 Silverado up to it and got it out in 2 tries after the 1st try moved it some. The car was completely bottomed out so it wasn't an easy pull out. That's mainly what I mean when I said that it's better to have and not need then to need and not have. I do like using a truck as a truck so more often I do need a V8. People buy whatever they want, but you can't compare just your experiences with everything.

(hears "Like a Rock" playing softly in the distance...the school marm is sobbing quietly by the road...some poor slob who didn't opt for the 5.3 Silverado is trying to pull her out, but his engine bursts into flames because he doesn't have exactly 388lb of torque..will no hero step forward with 388lbs of torque?!?!)

 

I kid, I kid....

 

98 Silverado to the rescue, eh?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Silverado

 

In 1998 you could have had these engines in a 1500:

 

4.3l V6 200hp/260lb torque (85hp less, 45lb torque less than current 4.3l)

 

4.8l V8 270hp/285lb torque (15hp less, 20lbs less torque than current 4.3l)

 

5.3l V8 285hp/325lbs torque (same hp, 20lbs more torque than current 4.3l, unless running E85 where current 4.3l has 12hp more, 5lbs torque more)

 

This is the heart of the perception problem the current V6 has: People don't get that it can do all the stuff they were doing with 4.8l V8s. They get similar driving performance as last years 5.3l V8, and maybe even the same towing performance as last year's 5.3l depending on the gear ratio. (and more tow performance than the current 5.3l if the person got the 3.08 gears)

 

So all the current 4.3l gives up to the last V8 most people owned is 2300lbs tow capacity. (if the 5.3 had the 3.42 gears, and not the 3.08 standard gears, or 3.23 gears) Personally I wouldn't try to tow anything NEAR 8900lbs with a 2010 5.3l Silverado, but that is the difference:

 

http://trucks.about.com/od/2007chevytrucks/a/2010_silv_update.htm

 

This "new 5.3 has lots more hp and torque" malarkey is nice, for someone who cares I guess. I buy for my real world needs, not the off chance I'm going to tow someone out of a ditch. (which I wouldn't do anyway, no way I'd put myself at liability like that)

 

Judge: "Mr. S, your mighty 5.3l Silverado ripped the bumper off the school marm's Nissan Sh** box. You owe her $3000 for a new bumper. Call a tow truck next time knucklehead! Case dismissed!"

[Brian S.]

Fair enough. Personally I guess I dont see how anything with a bowtie on it exudes luxury.

No doubt.

 

Have a friend with one of the high end F150s. Very nice truck, but when he was telling me about the "faux wood" dash I was looking at in it, my first thought was "Errr, yeah, I have the "faux wood" too, but mine is silver colored..."

 

I don't begrudge anyone the higher trim lines, actually one of the reasons I bought this truck is with All Star, 2LT, and Z71 it has a lot of the options in LTZ. I'm not looking for the truck with vinyl floors and the AM radio.

[SouthernSilveradoGuy85]

(hears "Like a Rock" playing softly in the distance...the school marm is sobbing quietly by the road...some poor slob who didn't opt for the 5.3 Silverado is trying to pull her out, but his engine bursts into flames because he doesn't have exactly 388lb of torque..will no hero step forward with 388lbs of torque?!?!)

 

I kid, I kid....

 

98 Silverado to the rescue, eh?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Silverado

 

In 1998 you could have had these engines in a 1500:

 

4.3l V6 200hp/260lb torque (85hp less, 45lb torque less than current 4.3l)

 

4.8l V8 270hp/285lb torque (15hp less, 20lbs less torque than current 4.3l)

 

5.3l V8 285hp/325lbs torque (same hp, 20lbs more torque than current 4.3l, unless running E85 where current 4.3l has 12hp more, 5lbs torque more)

 

This is the heart of the perception problem the current V6 has: People don't get that it can do all the stuff they were doing with 4.8l V8s. They get similar driving performance as last years 5.3l V8, and maybe even the same towing performance as last year's 5.3l depending on the gear ratio. (and more tow performance than the current 5.3l if the person got the 3.08 gears)

 

So all the current 4.3l gives up to the last V8 most people owned is 2300lbs tow capacity. (if the 5.3 had the 3.42 gears, and not the 3.08 standard gears, or 3.23 gears) Personally I wouldn't try to tow anything NEAR 8900lbs with a 2010 Silverado, but that is the difference:

 

http://trucks.about.com/od/2007chevytrucks/a/2010_silv_update.htm

 

This "new 5.3 has lots more hp and torque" malarkey is nice, for someone who cares I guess. I buy for my real world needs, not the off chance I'm going to tow someone out of a ditch. (which I wouldn't do anyway, no way I'd put myself at liability like that)

 

Judge: "r. S, your mighty 5.3l Silverado ripped the bumper off the school marm's Nissan Sh** box. You owe her $3000 for a new bumper. Call a tow truck next time knucklehead! Case dismissed!"

 

Not sure how the whole court thing would go. I could be wrong, but I would argue that the person preferred me to do it than a wrecker. Plus I'm not stupid enough to not hook it to the frame or tow hook. The V6 that tried to pull her out was a Nissan or Toyota, one of the 2. The 98 also had 3.73 gears which helped a lot. I do plan on putting 3.73s in my '14.

 

I know you don't see a big enough + to get a V8, but to me personally I do. There's also more of an aftermarket for the V8s. And again I always like loud exhaust so in my opinion of what I like you can't beat a V8. It's just what I've always had. I could give 2 sh*ts about the gas mileage, or cost difference in the long run or resale value. The new K2s haven't been out long enough for anybody to know any real #s to that, just speculating and guessing.I'm one of the people that I will use it to it's full potential, even if it's not often. Plus when dividing the cost added for a 5.3 over the 4.3 in the monthly payments, it's not enough to even notice. It's $11 + whatever interest more in an 84 month loan.

[Brian S.]

It wouldn't be accurate to say I don't see enough reason to pay the extra for a V8, it would be more accurate to say I don't see enough reason "not" to consider the 4.3l.

 

I had an appointmentt to look at two 5.3s the next day, looked at/test drove the 4.3 for 20 minutes after reading some reviews of the 4.3. Told the dealer to text me an offer to keep me from going to the next day appointments and went ice fishing. Liked the offer he texted me, texted back "Done".

 

If I "ever" think for a moment I'm missing out on something or need something the 4.3 isn't offering, I'll trade it in on a 5.3l. Stuff I don't like doesn't stay in my possession long.

 

My last four Silverados were 5.3s, and before that I had a F250 and a RAM Laramie with a 5.9l. I've looked at one other V6 truck back in less prosperous times, and did not buy it. (even when the money mattered)

 

Only reason I'm in this thread is because THIS V6 gets a bad rap, and it's not the V6 we're all used to and it's worth consideration if the deal is right.

[Isriam]

this is the only luxury truck i could find, and discontinued after 2013. it was sorta my dream truck except it had that ugly plastic rear end. denali was my only choice, and i waited for the 2014 for the new style.

 

Balancing bold power with extraordinary accommodation, the 2013 Escalade EXT (discontinued in 2013) was a 5-passenger luxury SUV which, thanks to its versatile Midgate® panel, could transform with ease into a 2-passenger luxury SUV with an 8' bed. It offered all the styling and amenities of an Escalade, while allowing 101 cu. ft.1 of secure storage and a maximum towing capacity of 7,600 lbs.2 The Escalade EXT could carry and tow all the things you love in complete luxury.

[Isriam]

America’s Best-Selling Luxury Car Is … a Truck?

 

http://wallstcheatsheet.com/automobiles/10-best-selling-vehicles-over-50k-in-america.html/?ref=YF

 

that was an awesome read, thank you. i told someone i was looking at the 2015 f150 plat and they said what why, no way, ford is cheap garbage. i guess when you're comparing ford, ram, and gm, you dont have many options for luxury.

[Brian S.]

Funny you say that, when my son turn 16 he beg us for his mothers car, he allways been pretty laid back so finally we said ok. Then we told him 1 ticket your walking. It was pretty tough for his mother she remembers a 17 year old she dated after he promise to slow down because of his hot rodding reputation, me. The car 94 Z 28, which by the way was slower than the V6 your giving your son. Its not the car its the kid. My son has never got a ticket, the Z has been one of his slower cars.

Agreed, and thankfully my son is a lot brighter than I was at his age.

 

Engine tech is a lot better these days, the 0-60 times on the six cylinder retro cars (5.8/6.1/6.4) for Mustang/Camaro/Challenger would have been small block V8 times (or better) for those cars in the 70s. (and the new 8s get speed you couldn't get back then)

 

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1312_2014_ford_mustang_premium_v6_performance_package_first_test/

[nards444]

 

Not sure how the whole court thing would go. I could be wrong, but I would argue that the person preferred me to do it than a wrecker. Plus I'm not stupid enough to not hook it to the frame or tow hook. The V6 that tried to pull her out was a Nissan or Toyota, one of the 2. The 98 also had 3.73 gears which helped a lot. I do plan on putting 3.73s in my '14.

 

I know you don't see a big enough + to get a V8, but to me personally I do. There's also more of an aftermarket for the V8s. And again I always like loud exhaust so in my opinion of what I like you can't beat a V8. It's just what I've always had. I could give 2 sh*ts about the gas mileage, or cost difference in the long run or resale value. The new K2s haven't been out long enough for anybody to know any real #s to that, just speculating and guessing.I'm one of the people that I will use it to it's full potential, even if it's not often. Plus when dividing the cost added for a 5.3 over the 4.3 in the monthly payments, it's not enough to even notice. It's $11 + whatever interest more in an 84 month loan.

Sad part is with litigation and laws out there, many people have been held liable for trying to save someone elses property etc. Many states or jurisdictions actually have laws against you pulling somebody out. I have helped people before, but I always ask will you hold me liable for any damage, and make them hook the tow strap to their vehicle. personally I always stop and call 911, and make sure they are physically ok, their property I could care less.

 

But really when it comes down to it, if you pull somebody out and either injure somebody or damage property, its a good chance you could be held liable, and without proper insurance and certifcations, somebody could really take you for a ride. Its sad but thats the world we live in.

[AWDAudi]

The fuel economy difference may be marginal to some, but I calculated all 5.3 V8's, V6's on Fuelly for the 14/15 1500 Silverado and Sierra the other day. The fuel economy difference was 11% in favor of the V6. I know that doesn't take into account many variables, but they were decent sample sizes.

 

My buddy and I pulled an empty small enclosed trailer to Detroit from central NY, and a car trailer with race car back with my V6 Sierra. He was impressed. He just purchased a 15 Silverado which matches mine in every way except he got a 5.3 (he has 3.42's like mine even). Dealers around here don't even carry V6's.

 

We both agree driving each other's trucks it is hardly noticeable.... besides the sound... The V8 sound gives it away instantly ;)

 

If I had it to do over again, it wouldn't matter to me which, 4.3 or 5.3, other options would be the deciding factor