2015 Truck Sales: Ford F-Series Leads Chevrolet Silverado by 81K Units

MARSOC · September 30, 2015

Look at Ford Fusion, Taurus, mustang, truck sales, etc. Ford dominates right now. GM is doing well, but not like the old GM. Respectfully I submit theses facts. Prove to me where I'm wrong.

MARSOC · September 30, 2015

Have we talked about Rapture yet?

'01LS1 · September 30, 2015

Here's another and I can show you another and another and another. F150 with 3.5 v6 out runs, out tows, out hauls, out brakes and has many amenities and options GM doesn't offer yet. It's sickening.

http://www.tfltruck.com/2014/10/2015-ford-f-150-3-5-ecoboost-vs-chevrolet-silverado-6-2-vs-ram-5-7-towing-video/

Another:

http://www.tfltruck.com/2014/09/2015-ford-f-150-v-competition-drag-time-showdown-video/

Am not going through watching all the linked videos. But if that is at altitude where the Fast Lane Truck is located in Colorado, they flat out tell you that naturally aspirated motors lose about a second or so 0-60.

That is an area where turbos really shine.

Have watched pickuptrucks.com truck test where the GM 6.2's won the 0-60.

Look at Ford Fusion, Taurus, mustang, truck sales, etc. Ford dominates right now. GM is doing well, but not like the old GM. Respectfully I submit theses facts. Prove to me where I'm wrong.

Cannot speak to the Fusion sales, know they sell well. But do not think they are segment leading?

Have seen articles written that Ford may drop the Taurus. The new Chevrolet Impala did very well in all the reviews.

But kind of thinking both it & the Taurus fit a much smaller group of buyers these days. Dress them out in upper

level trims & you are in the $40,000+ range. Not everyone can swing that for a four door sedan.

The Mustang vs Camaro is on going. The Camaro has out sold the Mustang from 2009 forward.

Although, the new 2015 Mustang is pulling back even with their new car. Will have to see how the

Gen 6 2016 Camaros are received as the out going gen 5 Camaro is falling off sales wise.

Gen 6 Camaro production is suppose to begin in the next two weeks as far as I know.

Have we talked about Rapture yet?

We're going biblical? I am joking, but it is the Raptor.

I know a lot of people are in that sort of thing. But does the Raptor turn a profit?

With all the special add ons & different body panels, I wonder if that line is truly profitable.

Every time there is a tweak to a vehicle, it slows production, costs more to ship in specialty parts etc.

Personally, would rather see GM not try to compete with the Raptor & drop a 6.2L 8 Speed in a reg cab short bed 2wd.

But that is just me.

MARSOC · September 30, 2015

It's not at altitude, but there's another positive attribute of what ford has done. I've been beat by a 2.7 and 3.5 here in Texas against my 6.2. Embarrassing

MARSOC · October 1, 2015

Pickup.com test only included V8 engines, not turbo! I did look at you link and noticed they did not test fords premere engine. Ford 3.5 ecoboost motor out pulls, out runs (at any altitude) out hauls, out brakes, out rides, period. And they out sell GM with any "one" line of thier trucks. I rest my case. Show me otherwise.

MARSOC · October 1, 2015

Spell check rules...it is raptor and they do translate into profit, if not directly, by merely creating excitement for the brand. Camaro 6 is going to do well, I'm just saying Ford somehow pulls it off right. I know GM can do better. Once again, face lifted truck arriving in Nov and no real performance improvements. Not good enough. I'm gonna get one anyway, but I wish they would have tweaked the 6.2 a bit.

truckofwinandawesome · October 1, 2015

Interesting theory, but ....

Chevrolet & Ford have went back & forth for years in terms of who sold the most half tons.

The numbers have been posted on this site in years past.

Ford (& Ram) put more emphasis on & sell more HD trucks(2500 & up).

GM dealers have resisted stocking, supplying & promoting the HD line ups. Specifically years ago

when GM had the Kodiak 4500/5500. I know more dealers are now stepping up to work with & service

the Duramax 2500/3500 now. But even today I can go to the local Ford or Ram dealers & find more

HD trucks sitting on the lot ready to go than both the GM dealerships combined.

The Dmax/Allison combo is a good one, but this is a place where the dealers really need to step up.

Case in point, I just checked my Local Dealer's New Truck Inventory, and out of the 54 Trucks they have, ONLY TWO are HDs, (one Silverado, and One Sierra) and BOTH have the 6.0L Gas Engine.

Jon A · October 1, 2015

Pickup.com test only included V8 engines, not turbo! I did look at you link and noticed they did not test fords premere engine. Ford 3.5 ecoboost motor out pulls, out runs (at any altitude) out hauls, out brakes, out rides, period.

If you'd peer over your fanboy glasses long enough to actually read the articles you'd see they did test the 3.5 EB at the same time with the results published here: http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2015/01/2015-annual-physical-overview.html

The 6.2's easily beat the 3.5 EB in all the major performance tests, with and without a load. Even in the C&D article you linked the 6.2 wins the 1/4 mile and the more telling indication of power to weight ratio--trap speed--was 3 MPH higher. It not only won the race but was pulling away easily at the end. http://m.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2015-chevrolet-silverado-vs-2015-ford-f-150-2015-ram-1500-2014-toyota-tundra-comparison-test-2015-ford-f-150-vs-2015-chevrolet-silverado-1500-2015-ram-1500-2014-toyota-tundra-final-scoring-performance-data-and-complete-specs-page-6

The Fast Lane Truck video you linked showed a transmission problem, not an engine issue. It's obsolete as that combo is no longer available anyway. With the current tranny setup the 6.2 easily matches the 3.5 EB, even at 11,000 ft:

Luckily for the EB fans they haven't tried that test on a hot day in August so they don't have to deal with the public shaming of an overheating engine going into "reduced power mode" as so many EB towers have experienced. No such issues with the 6.2....

Have a nice day.

MARSOC · October 1, 2015

Ummm, how can I answer this....You would be wrong. This was a preproduction F150. The truck, optimumlly equipped pulls 12100 lbs! And I have to ask you how many 1/4 miles do you actually race on the public road ways? By the time my 6.2 actually could catch an EB, it's stopped for a red light, ready to kick my butt again or pulled off. Do you have a 2015 Sierra Denali with 6.2? I know all this because I have one and get my butt handed to me by my neighbors opulent 2015 Ford Platnum 4x4 with 3.5 EB. I will say again...Fords top of the line truck with optional towing and gearing will out run, out pull, out haul, out brake, out ride ( objective, but everyone says this) out option and under weigh GMs top of the line 1500 with 6.2, period. Show me where I'm wrong! The facts are facts and they just don't lie.

MARSOC · October 1, 2015

Nice video show casing the Chevy LTZ. Now let's compare to the F150 with 3.5 EB. And they don't get overheated as you commented. That was a problem with the 1st gen EB. There plenty of GM engine failure issues to speak about as well if you want to start that discussion. My 2099 Sierra 5.3 had a nearly complete engine overhaul at only 70k miles due to excessive oil usage. I'm not screaming about that, all mechanical things have effects from time to time and I'm not sure how Ford is stacking up next to GM in this category. I do know Ford is kicking some GM rear with the new EB. GM needs to work a little harder if they ever want to pass Ford. I'm so sure they do. They want to be more profitable, but that doesn't always transient into superiority on the streets. Right now, Ford Platnum with 3.5EB that pulls up next to my Denali 6.2 that thinks his truck is better than the Denali is probably right. I don't completely like the look of the Ford, but it sits higher, longer, taller, faster, stronger, lighter, flashier and every other errrr you can think of. Oh and it's more expensive too though. These are just the plain ole facts here. I could lie and say my Denali is better, but that is just an opinion not backed by any imperial data.

j-ten-ner · October 1, 2015

The other day I was sitting besides an Ecoboost at the red light.

Sure enough he had to "show" me....

Only down side was that his truck really sounded like this. Not joking.:

I don't know what kind of exhaust he put on that thing but it was awful.

so long

j-ten-ner

MARSOC · October 1, 2015

In the ongoing truck war of the past 30 something years automakers desperately scratch to gain ground. Ford evidently decided a few years back they were going to own the truck segment and they've done just that. Now GM makes a very nice truck and in my opinion are currently in the #2 position. GM has upped thier game quite a bit in 2014 and now again with cosmetic changes for 2016. GM also has doubled down on advertising and even gone after Ford with adds discrediting the aluminum body. All GM has to do if they want to be #1 is very simple....make the best truck. The lightest, most nimble, fastest, highest optioned, most innovative, durable truck on the planet. It does exist, it called Ford F-150 with 3.5 liter Ecoboost engine. Soon the 2017 Raptor will arrive and with even more excitement. Where is GM? Still making anti aluminum adds I bet. Also the new F250 is coming with all aluminum, Another segment that Ford dominates. Just build a better product GM, just build a better product. Or stay # 2. There also Ram out there which is a very strong contender and these trucks are $15k off at dealerships across the land. Can't find much wrong with them, other than I don't particularly care for the shark with underbite look, but best interior around. $15k off window!

MARSOC · October 1, 2015

The other day I was sitting besides an Ecoboost at the red light.

Sure enough he had to "show" me....

Only down side was that his truck really sounded like this. Not joking.:

I don't know what kind of exhaust he put on that thing but it was awful.

so long

j-ten-ner

MARSOC · October 1, 2015

You're right about that, the EB v6 does sound abut wonky! One activity the 6.2 wins is sounding good. I would even like to try the Borla dealer installed exhaust on my next truck.

Roidz · October 1, 2015

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I think GM is doing some great things. You mention the ford cars that are doing well. I'm pretty sure the camaro has beat the mustang for a few years now. The ctsv and atsv are both great cars, the Stingray and Z06 are right up there with a lot of super cars.

But as far as trucks go, I definitely disagree that Ford is dominating. The sales numbers have been neck and neck. Plus, the part that really matters is I know I would rather have my truck than anything ford can throw out there. I've driven a Ram a new F150 and I don't consider either a better truck, obviously, which is why I went with the Silverado. Even if the Ford does the quarter mile a hair quicker, pulls a lil more (which I don't think either is correct), I would still prefer the Silverado/Sierra. And the fact that the sales numbers are so close says a lot of others would too.

Just curious, but what made you get a Sierra if you think the Ford trucks are so great?

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