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Screw all of that, for that kind of money i'm walking across the street to the Ford dealer and ordering a Raptor!

 

 

Waiting for all the ford haters to step in and comment.

 

 

I actually like the Raptor for what it is. But, since Ford is pushing the Ecoboost so hard, it looks like you'll only be able to get the 3.5 Ecoboost in the Raptor and no choice of a V8. At least that's what it looks like on the Ford site. I mean hell, even the new GT (not Mustang GT, street version of GT40) will only have the Ecoboost. I think they're pushing it way too hard and at least give an option of a V8. I'm pretty sure you won't even be able to get a V8 in a regular F150 within the next couple of years.

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For the price these dealers ask for, often badly, modded trucks, I prefer to do my own. But the price on this one is a total joke. 70-80k sticker will get you into a lifted 16 Denali HD in my area.

 

 

With money left over to cover gas and insurance :lol:

 

Better be diesel, for that price.

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The rollbar on the back it sure does. I meant to call it Special Ops as well not Black Ops but...

 

Exactly. The one you linked to IS a "Black Ops" version (made by Tuscany Automotive).

The GM one is called "Special Ops".

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I actually like the Raptor for what it is. But, since Ford is pushing the Ecoboost so hard, it looks like you'll only be able to get the 3.5 Ecoboost in the Raptor and no choice of a V8. At least that's what it looks like on the Ford site. I mean hell, even the new GT (not Mustang GT, street version of GT40) will only have the Ecoboost. I think they're pushing it way too hard and at least give an option of a V8. I'm pretty sure you won't even be able to get a V8 in a regular F150 within the next couple of years.

 

 

 

That is correct, no V8 - Look for Toyota, Ram & Nissan to step in to the scene with better offroad versions.

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I actually like the Raptor for what it is. But, since Ford is pushing the Ecoboost so hard, it looks like you'll only be able to get the 3.5 Ecoboost in the Raptor and no choice of a V8. At least that's what it looks like on the Ford site. I mean hell, even the new GT (not Mustang GT, street version of GT40) will only have the Ecoboost. I think they're pushing it way too hard and at least give an option of a V8. I'm pretty sure you won't even be able to get a V8 in a regular F150 within the next couple of years.

Agreed. It is eco only right now. Rumors are ford is pushing for no v8 at all mustang or f150. New technology and all. Makes better numbers and better mpg but they will lose some buyers over it. Think most people are in favor of it, not me.

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That is correct, no V8 - Look for Toyota, Ram & Nissan to step in to the scene with better offroad versions.

 

No v-8 but certainly not no v-8 power, hell the 17 eco model will have more HP&TQ then my 6.2 does.

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No v-8 but certainly not no v-8 power, hell the 17 eco model will have more HP&TQ then my 6.2 does.

 

Ehh, turbo hp just doesnt drive the same. I like the Ram approach the best, take their most powerful NA V8 and strap a blower to it.

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No v-8 but certainly not no v-8 power, hell the 17 eco model will have more HP&TQ then my 6.2 does.

 

Well the purpose of the Ecoboost was to give the power of a V8 but the fuel economy of a V6. From what I've read it doesn't have the economy of a V6 and when you put any load on it like hauling or towing the MPGs drop way below a modern V8. So there's really no upside to it. There's actually the downside of dealing with maintaining the 2 turbos. I'd rather have a N/A V8 than a turbo V6. Especially when the 2 turbos are so small they're probably not much bigger than the pistons in the engine.

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I like that its functional!

 

As I said, it might be technically functional. But, if you look at the last pic with the hood up, the air just gets put into the engine bay and not into the air intake. So in a way it's really not functional. That scoop would be functional if the air intake was setup like old cars with the filter right on top of the engine, but it's not.

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Better be diesel, for that price.

They are. And that's the asking price. Those modded trucks almost always sit on the lot and can be had at deep discounts.

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They are. And that's the asking price. Those modded trucks almost always sit on the lot and can be had at deep discounts.

Um no it is not. Not the one that was linked anyway.

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