Diesel or gas let's hear it

[ShotgunZ71]

trust me at 9500 lbs you want the diesel I would not want any more weight behind me in a 1500 it pulls it good but why stain it and wear it out being close to the max let's face it that's just a selling point

Yeah, that's the downside. Pulling is easy, it's the controlling and stopping it which got me looking HD. I guess I really don't need the diesel, but like I said, it was a helluva deal and I always wanted one if I got a 2500. If the next gen trucks have a newer gas engine, I may go to gas next time. I just can't see trading now and going to the 6.0 when the rest of the truck is unchanged.

 

 

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[20L8TSierra24]

I get 19-20 on the highway and DEF really isn't an issue for me. ($7 for a 2.5 gallon jug that lasts me about 3000 miles). I change my oil every 7500 miles and replace the fuel filter every other change which is $55. My buddy has a 15 3500 drw Duramax with 155k and 0 issues with his emissions system or drive train. He tows a 5th wheel car trailer and always has atleast 15 thousand pounds on it. He runs the cheap Walmart Def and doesn't have any problems. I'd buy the diesel but I'm telling you the acceleration/ performance is a dog compared to a 6.2 1/2 ton

[Nathan79]

I tow a 7500lb travel trailer with a 2015 2500 6.0. Really great tow vehicle - no issues. Night and day difference from running a 1/2 ton and the same trailer. Really like the entire drivetrain. No complaints except the gas bill.

[pcpisano]

Hey all, just wanted to add my 2 cents... I have an '02 2500 Silverado HD, 171K miles. Used to do heavy towing (boat), but just doing daily driving and very little light towingFirst diesal no major repairs, and love it. Concur with all, and the normal preventive maint is more expensive, but too me worth the cost... as an FYI, I use synthetic oil, every 5K, flush out radiator and transmission once a year., brake, steering fluid, and diff oil on a bi-annual basis.... Except for the maint issues facing me are ball joints, shocks and those types of maint problems (the truck is 15 years young... ) the trucks runs great. Due to its age, my new concern is parts availability... Haven't yet had an issue-but I'm guessing that the machine will eventually need major surgery...not looking forward to that expense.

As an FYI, I did look at the '17's... run and drive great, but the cost was like buying a small house... so I will drive this one till it bites the dust--another 5 years, and another Duramax.

 

 

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[pogrelis97]

Also keep in mind the diesel will have better resale value. I have a 2016 that isn't a DD and mostly only gets driven on weekends and might get 8-9k miles a year on it, but 90% of the time I drive it it has between 5k-20k lbs behind it. I chose the diesel for the power and resale value. I get my first 4 oil changes for free through the dealer and I plan on trading it in or selling it after 3 years when the factory warranty is up so for me there is no maintenance costs at all. And with the great rebates on 16's right now I'm only expecting to lose $5-8k in value on my truck in 3 years with 25-30k miles on it.

[brwk]

24000 miles on my 16 Duramax with no diesel or trans issues. Its my DD and I tow a 9000 lb travel trailer 4-6 times a year. First diesel and I heard all the "extra costs" that I will be paying but I ignored them and simply love the Duramax. It will do anything I want plus tow anything that the future holds. Love the Diesel brake!!!

[Silverado4x4]

Diesel's do not have a better resale value, you have already paid that so called higher resale value when you bought the truck with the extra cost up front for the Diesel compared to a gas version so the Diesel is going to be worth more in the end but not really.

[crankman]

Like another man said its your money spend it the way you want. Everyone can give you there take on either but its really your call. I still have my 2011 6.2 with 3.73 NHT truck. Its so bad ass I couldn't give it up when I got my 2500. Its a beast of a 1/2 ton truck, to bad your having transmission problems cause you otherwise have a nice truck IMO. Good luck on your decision.

[Cowpie]

A closer look at the supposed "break even point"... diesel vs gas.

 

That diesel vs gas break even point being 100,000 miles is fallacious on its face . First thing to consider, the warranty is over. It will not be too much longer and likely the DPF will have to be replaced. Only can go thru regens for so long before the filter in it has had enough. Possible issues with the SCR unit also. Either one of these will blow that break even point out of the water.

 

Sure, one can delete all that stuff (depending on if you are in an area that doesn't require emissions testing) but rack on a few thousand to do that. Again, break even just got stretched out considerably.

 

But that break even argument primarily centers a lot around fuel cost. Let's look at that......

 

Diesel in my area is going for roughly $2.50 a gallon. Regular gas is going for $2.29. E85 is going for $1.69.

 

Say I get an average 16 mpg on diesel. that comes to 15.6 cents a mile fuel cost.

 

Say I get 13 mpg average on regular for the gasser (the low side of the average I get). that comes to 17.6 cents a mile fuel cost. A couple more cents a mile than diesel.

 

Say I get 10 mpg on E85 (I typically get about 11). That comes to roughly 16.9 cents a mile.

 

So between 16.9 cents a mile (lowest on current gas/ethanol prices) and 15.6 cents a mile on diesel, that comes to a 1.3 cents a mile savings for diesel. Look at the cost to buy the Dmax version. Let's go with a $6000 difference, which is probably realistic. To break even based on the fuel cost I showed in this discussion, you would have to drive the diesel for 461,538 miles. Even at double the savings per mile than I outlined, that still means one has to go over 230,000 miles to break even. Does anyone really believe that there is such a thing, truly, as a break even point? Please roll me one of what you are smoking. By those miles, you will definitely be replacing the DPF, make serious repairs to SCR or fuel system, etc.

 

Get a diesel if you need one, I am not advocating for or against the diesel, but don't try and fool yourself that it can be justified on some bogus "break even" point. There is no such critter. No matter how you slice it, the diesel version is going to lighten your wallet more than a gasser, both in initial cost and operation cost.

[sdeeter19555]

The "break even" argument stems from the days when diesel was cheaper than gasoline, diesels averaged nearly twice the fuel mileage of gasoline engine, and the price of the upgrade was a few thousand (not the nearly $10k of today).

 

That was back before everyone had a diesel pickup.

 

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[COHauler]

This debate will go on and on and on....

 

-Diesel will not give you better resale. At 100K miles on a 2014 Chevy 2500 with a 6.0 is valued at 34000. The same truck with the Diesel is 43000. You will pay 9985.00 for the Duramax/Allison 1000 combo. Will the diesel truck probably pull more money than book....yep. Will the gas probably be less in value...yep, but not any real amounts of money. Go to NADA or similar site. Google is king.

 

-In my opinion, Diesels make really crappy in town daily drivers without load. They are big, tear up tires, thermal cycling is not a bonus for diesels & nor is idle time. I worked in a diesel repair facility for a friend on my days off (15 days per month) for a few years, and with my own personal experiences with DD diesels...not a big fan.

 

-My truck sits 90% of the time, and that might seem like a huge waste. I make up for it on the 10% I do use it. Some might say "what a waste" but hell, it is my money, and a gas powered truck sucks where I go and in some cases can't do what I want it to. For instance, pulling this load with a 6.0 gas motor just brings on the suck:

 

 

-Gas trucks will not grade brake like a current diesel...period. You take 10000 lbs on a 5-7% grade with both diesel & gas trucks, I promise you will choose the diesel/allison combo every time and that has nothing to do with power and torque. It does have to do with Law of Inertia...Look back at previous pic, and ask yourself if you want to go down a huge grade without an exhaust brake and grade braking the allison offers (I realize this is a Classic LBZ, and it has the EFILive with exhaust braking function. However, the truck didn't really need it with the Allison. I hardly ever engage my exhaust brake).

 

Do I think you should get a 3/4 ton diesel? No, and that is exactly why you should.

[270wsmhunter]

I have owned both and have had zero issues with my 6.0 and minor issues with my Duramax. I love the torque of the diesel but not impressed with the mileage. I did not buy it for mileage but was expecting better. Over the 33,000 miles we've owned it it has been driven more as a car than pickup, we had one major trip of 2200 miles pulling our 9000 lb travel trailer. I have seen as good as 22 mpg average over 50 miles per computer but average trips are more like 16-17 and the lifetime average for me is 14.9. I had traded in my 2011 6.0 with 35,000 miles and had a lifetime average of 15. I do use non-oxygenated fuel in my gas engines which runs $0.20-0.40 more per gallon but averaged 4 mpg better on this fuel. While the diesel has been nice to have I have no hesitation going back to a 6.0, which is what we are doing this week, a 2017 Chevrolet LTZ 3500HD 6.0 crew cab 4x4 in pepperdust. The decision all comes down to what you want regardless of what recommendations and suggestions everyone makes. Good luck in your decision.

[uchi]

i went from an 09 1500 with the 5.3 that i towed with a lot and used for work, to a 15 2500 diesel and id never get a gas truck again. after seeing how easily the diesel moves any weight i put behind it, how well it tows, its hard to go back. especially jumping to a 2500. night and day difference. if you dont tow a lot or dont tow heavy, stick with a gasser for money savings. but 90% of my use with the truck and its towing something.

[KARNUT]

The way diesel emissions are now they suck at short DD grocery getting duties. Long distance driving heavy pulling duties that's about it.

[Silver16]

Buy what you need not the fad for the moment. Look at all of them as well. Brand loyalty is also a fad these days. Gas, diesel both have advantages and disadvantages. Find yours and go from there.