Too high tech

[Grumpy Bear]

10 hours ago, Mikedfw said:

So there is a huge problem with your argument. You are basically blaming all these issues on advanced safety tools in vehicles making people lazy or careless. They already were. There have always been drunk drivers and people texting and putting on their make up, having features in these vehicles that helps limit the damage they can cause is a good thing. Whether or not their licenses should be revoked is a separate issue. 

 

And here is another newsflash for you, as good of a driver as you think you are, you aren't. You're human.  You get tired or distracted at times like everyone else. I'm sure there have been times you have nearly been in accidents that other people who were paying more attention managed to avoid. It's normal, no one is infallible. 

 

I used to work in the auto insurance industry. I've seen numerous circumstances where historically good drivers made one mistake one time or weren't paying attention and were severely injured or killed because of it. In many of these circumstances, had there been advances safety tech on their vehicles, while the accidents may have still occurred, it could have made the difference between walking away with bruises and a couple broken bones vs dying. 

 

Just because you are incapable of seeing the benefits here doesn't mean they dont exist. Hell some of this stuff may have prevented other people from hitting you without you even knowing it. 

I am most definitely saying that if you bubble wrap an idiot he becomes a bigger more dangerous idiot.

 

Your restraint is fear.

You're going to tell me a "normal' person doesn't fear death, dismemberment, disfigurement?

Here's a huge problem with your logic. 

This is two and a half tons of flammable loaded guide missile YOU are responsible for.

You don't get to do whatever you please then go, "ops, my bad' when you kill someone.

Wake up.

 

Here's an news flash for you.

Your argument is using imperfection to do as you please not as you ought.

Putting on your makeup mister is an intentional act and NOT and act of imperfect people making mistakes.

IT'S INTENTIONAL. 

Intention is the difference.

 

Loose those jerks and you loose a HUGE part of your reason for tech and insurance.

 

There is a reason for the law.

The solution isn't tech. It's Prison.

 

You need to put your lipstick on?

Grow up, do it at home.

Then learn to drive that wreck.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TXGREEK]

Up to 40 years old I could drive 24 hours. Up to 50 I could drive 12 hours. Now I burn out at 8 hours. I can still drive of course, just not at the level I’m comfortable with. Recently I drove my father in laws Honda CRV with all the latest tec. It almost drives itself as long as the white lines are present. He insisted I turn it all on. It drove me batty. More distracting than helpful. I felt like I was fighting with the car. Especially adapted cruise. No thanks.


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[TXGREEK]

I am most definitely saying that if you bubble wrap an idiot he becomes a bigger more dangerous idiot.

 

Your restraint is fear.

You're going to tell me a "normal' person doesn't fear death, dismemberment, disfigurement?

Here's a huge problem with your logic. 

This is two and a half tons of flammable loaded guide missile YOU are responsible for.

You don't get to do whatever you please then go, "ops, my bad' when you kill someone.

Wake up.

 

Here's an news flash for you.

Your argument is using imperfection to do as you please not as you ought.

Putting on your makeup mister is an intentional act and NOT and act of imperfect people making mistakes.

IT'S INTENTIONAL. 

Intention is the difference.

 

Loose those jerks and you loose a HUGE part of your reason for tech and insurance.

 

There is a reason for the law.

The solution isn't tech. It's Prison.

 

You need to put your lipstick on?

Grow up, do it at home.

Then learn to drive that wreck.

 

 

 

 

 

 
 

You’re very much correct! My Yukon stayed in the lane on long trips but only pushed me to drive longer hours and travel longer distances where before “lane departure”, realizing you’re getting sleepy you’d quickly find a hotel. My new X5 is like a spaceship, everything in this vehicle from just waving your hand to change channels or raise and lower the volume, completely parks itself, it’s all designed to help but it’s actually making people lazy as well as taking away ones ability to recognize dangers due to the computer taking over and temporarily replacing your human senses.


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11 minutes ago, TXGREEK said:

 

You’re very much correct! My Yukon stayed in the lane on long trips but only pushed me to drive longer hours and travel longer distances where before “lane departure”, realizing you’re getting sleepy you’d quickly find a hotel. My new X5 is like a spaceship, everything in this vehicle from just waving your hand to change channels or raise and lower the volume, completely parks itself, it’s all designed to help but it’s actually making people lazy as well as taking away ones ability to recognize dangers due to the computer taking over and temporarily replacing your human senses.


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If you're ignoring the beeping noise and pushing through, that's not the fault of technology, that's a misuse of technology. A common problem. 

 

Companies are simply trying to find ways to help people cope with the go go go society that has been created, which strangely enough was created by the very ones that abhor the new tech. Just-In-Time is the name of the game, and individuals run their life at a fast pace. Mistakes are getting made. The tech is simply a crutch instead of resolving the root of the problem, and that is getting the whole world to slow down. Good luck with that one, though. 

[TXGREEK]

If you're ignoring the beeping noise and pushing through, that's not the fault of technology, that's a misuse of technology. A common problem.   

Companies are simply trying to find ways to help people cope with the go go go society that has been created, which strangely enough was created by the very ones that abhor the new tech. Just-In-Time is the name of the game, and individuals run their life at a fast pace. Mistakes are getting made. The tech is simply a crutch instead of resolving the root of the problem, and that is getting the whole world to slow down. Good luck with that one, though. 

 

This is why there are so many fat people in America, everything is done for them. Sure, that’s great to come up with something that’ll help things become more convenient but that’s why there are so many stupid people, what’s the point of even focusing and trying to learn when it’s being looked up for you, our phones do all the thinking for us too.

 

Technology is a great thing, believe me, I’m surrounded by it but there’s got to be a line drawn between turning people into vegetables having answers looked up for them and losing the ability to think for themselves.

 

Tesla automakers, perfect example: you think those people would still be alive today if it weren’t for technology just being thrown at them, enticing the normally alert driver, over stepping the boundaries of what’s good for me MUST be good for EVERYONE!

 

Our kids today, they snap and Instagram (sure I’m missing more) rather than picking up the phone and speaking, building communication skills, nope, future introverts and concubines, easily brainwashed by people with communication skills or just the media. I see this everywhere I go, kids texting each other while sitting right next to each other. I’ve been rear ended three times as well as people weaving into my lane because they’re texting.

 

I do LOVE the technology that I can control and that makes me money [emoji6]

 

 

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[TXGREEK]

Sorry for rambling on, to much chocolate and red wine last night, don’t recommend mixing the two, EVER!


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Sorry for rambling on, to much chocolate and red wine last night, don’t recommend mixing the two, EVER!


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[Mikedfw]

2 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

I am most definitely saying that if you bubble wrap an idiot he becomes a bigger more dangerous idiot.

 

Your restraint is fear.

You're going to tell me a "normal' person doesn't fear death, dismemberment, disfigurement?

Here's a huge problem with your logic. 

This is two and a half tons of flammable loaded guide missile YOU are responsible for.

You don't get to do whatever you please then go, "ops, my bad' when you kill someone.

Wake up.

 

Here's an news flash for you.

Your argument is using imperfection to do as you please not as you ought.

Putting on your makeup mister is an intentional act and NOT and act of imperfect people making mistakes.

IT'S INTENTIONAL. 

Intention is the difference.

 

Loose those jerks and you loose a HUGE part of your reason for tech and insurance.

 

There is a reason for the law.

The solution isn't tech. It's Prison.

 

You need to put your lipstick on?

Grow up, do it at home.

Then learn to drive that wreck.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow, this is something else. My point is that stupid people do stupid stuff whether or not they have these safety technologies on their vehicles. Does it make some people lazier? Probably, but for the vast majority of people, these are just tools to help, not take over or absolve from responsibility.

 

Most people that drive drunk will do it whether or not their vehicle has these features.  Why?  Because their cognitive abilities are impaired and this is true regardless of their vehicle. Maybe these people having automatic emergency braking or lane keeping tech will keep them from killing someone else. 

 

You cant cure stupid, but at least you can limit the damage done. 

 

And I'll give you an example of a really sad case I had when I worked in the insurance industry.  A teen girl 17 years old got in a fight with her dad, took the keys to his Porsche without telling him and was in such a bad state of mind she ended up driving over 100mph partially into a concrete barrier. 

 

This vehicle did not have any collision mitigation technology as it was still pretty new at the time. The entire drivers side of the vehicle was gone, basically scraped off, including a lot of the driver. Was the worst thing I've ever seen in my life. If this vehicle had the capability to brake on it's own like the newer vehicles you are complaining about do, the accident would have undoubtedly still occurred, but at maybe half the speed or less, and if that is the case she would have had a pretty good chance of surviving.

 

This was a normal person that made a stupid mistake as any one could do.  This technology can save lives, it's not a bad thing and while I'm not sure what evidence you have to support your statement that it makes people lazier, I've personally witnessed numerous circumstances where it has helped people or could have helped had they had it.

[BlackRST]

On 10/27/2019 at 11:25 AM, airdvr1227 said:

Just picked up a 2019 Silverado Custom 4x4 with the 4.3l.  First new vehicle since a 2006 Trailblazer.  My wife drives a '16 Rav4 that is a company vehicle.

 

I'm old school.  I like to drive a vehicle, not have a computer drive it for me.  

 

Pleased that I don't have the adaptive cruise control.  In the Rav4 I would just end up sitting behind the slowest moving vehicle and not even realize it for miles.  Pushbutton parking brake? Seriously?  Remote tailgate?  I can lower my own thank you.  The Rav4 has lane departure assist that steers you back into your lane and beeps.  I'm sure there's that upgrade somewhere in GM as well.  Glad I don't have it.  ETA...do we really need an alarm to let us know there is a child in the back seat?

 

As I read through these threads I find myself scratching my head wondering how all this tech ended up in new vehicles, and why we're surprised when this stuff starts to malfunction.

A few features you can opt out of when purchasing. I know the custom doesnt have a lot of the higher end stuff the LT/RST/HC/TB have etc. A few of the things mentioned are CYA added features due to lawyers suing manufactures over dumb stuff, or in fact the moronic parents who leave their child behind. As mentioned before I dont doubt some if not all of the added features have helped save someones life somewhere, which saving even just one person is well worth it.  

 

I personally don't have the lane assist and cruise control features etc. But that was simply because I didnt get that package. I do enjoy the power tailgate feature and useful to me on more than a dozen occasions. 

 

Bottom line is, as mentioned by several others is that its a 2019/2020 truck and majority of the buyers want/enjoy the features and its a sign of the times. I would assume but not certain you probably could have gotten the work truck trim and not had many of these options that annoy you. 

[j-ten-ner]

On 11/1/2019 at 10:33 AM, Mikedfw said:

...A teen girl 17 years old got in a fight with her dad, took the keys to his Porsche without telling him and was in such a bad state of mind she ended up driving over 100mph partially into a concrete barrier. ...

Disrespect and wrong judgment ended in natural selection.

No nanny would have saved her. One needs driving skills to regain control over the vehicle after loosing it @ 100mph.

I'm sure this is what happened.

 

Proper driver education, e.g. mandatory driving schools. Make people earn their DL. And then they will appreciate the new technology as an aid and not as a given insurance.

 

so long

j-ten-ner

[Cpl_Punishment]

1 hour ago, BlackRST said:

I do enjoy the power tailgate feature and useful to me on more than a dozen occasions. 

I don't necessarily mind the power tailgate (though even my grandfather did just fine with manual tailgates on all his trucks - no EZ lift and lower, either). I just wish there was also a regular handle so you could still open it when the electronics fail to work for whatever reason. 

[diyer2]

My 2 cents.

Good or bad it's availeable.

No right answer IMO just a lot of opinions.

But I do think in this world today people are not held responsible for their actions.

 

[garagerog]

No matter how you feel about the new technology in modern vehicles, one thing for certain is that your average shade tree mechanic or DIY guy has been engineered out of the equation. Ok from the manufacturers standpoint I suppose except from what I've seen the factory tech's training hasn't kept up with what the engineers are throwing out there when new tech goes wrong. Won't happen of course, but would be nice to see a consumer boycott until there was a factory engineer in every dealership, make them feel the pain of their design work. But what do I know, I'm just an old guy that thinks that less is more.

[Grumpy Bear]

On 11/1/2019 at 12:15 PM, KARNUT said:

Chocolate wine and pretzels.


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Good Whisky and chocolate  

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Good Whisky and chocolate [emoji4] 

I’ve grown to like flavored


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