1999 LT vs 2020 ...

[RyanbabZ71]

It's not, the time to look at new trucks was about two months ago. My local dealership is lowering their discount because they are quickly seeing their inventory dry up with no replenishment coming for at least a few weeks. They had over 250 Silverado 1500s a little over a month ago. They're now down to 175, and this includes their combined inventory at the two other company owned GM stores in the area. 

Sunday drove by a local dealer on the highway and couldn’t believe how empty their lot was.


Ryan B.

[flyingfool]

1 hour ago, RyanbabZ71 said:

Going from a 2000 to a 2010 to a 2019 there is no comparison. The GMT800 was a good truck but the new T1 trucks are far advanced. Technology, mpg, ride, capability. As with everything if you take care of it it will last.


Ryan B.

advancements doesnt = reliability and ease of repair

[RyanbabZ71]

advancements doesnt = reliability and ease of repair

 

Minus the electronic advancements most everything is similar/still able to work on relatively easy. Very little change to normal maintenance items to keep a vehicle changing. Your comment about these new trucks not lasting more than 2 years is laughable.

 

Also going from my 2010 which I owned since new to the 2019 my insurance “jumped” $20 per 6 months. Woah $3.33 a month [emoji15] the increase in MPG well offset this cost [emoji16]

 

 

Ryan B.

 

[flyingfool]

2 years is the usual lease term, yes they last longer.. they are too complicated to own past 8 years,, parts are cheaper and diagnostics is also easier on GMt800 2011-2013 is what i would look for instead of the K2 or T1 line up... 

 

[superhighsierra]

5 hours ago, Bryant_Olson said:

 

 

 

Bro, CC and DCs are the exact same overall length. And there's no difference in manufacture quality between them either, that's ridiculous.

More desirable and better resale value? No way. GM isn't just making 10x the crew cabs for no reason, it's because that's what the majority of people want. People get double cabs to save money up front and some weird notion that the extra foot is going to make it a superb lumber hauler. Surprise, it doesn't.

OP, keep your truck if you don't want a payment. If you do and want some creature comforts and more zip when you hit the pedal, get a new one. GM is actually pretty consistent in the "deals" so the time to buy is whenever is best for you. I had a 2014 double cab and it wasn't very comfortable, I wouldn't want to road trip back there. I switched to a crew cab and have had 2 now, never looked back. Neither one is going to be a tremendous hauler, but 8 to 12ft lumber is no problem.

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Who said a difference in "quality of manufacturing." Quantity my man, quantity. Means # of... 

 

People don't get double cabs "to save $$$ up front", people would just rather have the extra foot in the bed. Lumber hauler? Lol. Things I couldn't fit in a SB CC that I can fit in a DC: surfboard, dirt bike, and most importantly myself. I sleep/hunt/camp out of my truck all the time with my wife and I couldn't imagine having a 5 1/2 foot bed.

 

It is what it is, the DC is the more utilitarian vehicle. I can count on my hand the amount of times I've had adults in my back seat... I use my truck vehicle 4-5 days a week for the former.

 

 

2 hours ago, TRKLGND said:

CC Short bed is what sells the most.  By far!  My local dealer has 51 1500s on the lot.  32 crew cab and 19 double cab.  The oldest trucks on the lot are the double cabs.  None of the crew cabs are the standard box.

In my opinion the crew cab standard box is the best looking.  Better proportions.  I had to look long and hard to find one.  Had to look even harder to find one with tow mirrors.
My 2018 was a DC.  It was fine for adults under 6' 2" as long as you didn't want to drive across country.  

 

4 hours ago, spizike9 said:

 
The DC is not more desirable than a CC SB. Let’s go look at sales numbers and see what sells the most. GM builds based on what dealerships order. Dealerships order what sells. 
 

Let’s look at resale of two identical (except for cab size)  2017 trucks And see which one sells for more. 
 

As far as the DC being a better looking truck.... I don’t think it is, but that’s subjective so that one I’ll give you. Looks is all subjective. Everything else you stated you are objectively wrong. 

 

Again nobody is arguing what they sell more of, but go back and look at every truck for the past 30 years. Double cabs hold their value better and are the more desired vehicles. Trucks less than 5 or so years old are more luxury vehicles, but after they a few years when people actually buy them to use them as a truck...

 

And go back and look on cargurus or autotrader, to no surprise I am right. It might be close on the newer models (with the CCSB even being worth more) solely because they sticker for more. But in the secondary market, especially 5+ years in, you are wrong. 

 

And here you go:

 

CCSB

 

vs. DCSB

 

Same truck. It ain't close brother. You really still think the CCSB is the better looking truck? Lol. Or do people just mindlessly buy CC's for the extra space in the cab? If you want a vehicle to haul 4-5 people around, you probably would be better off with something other than a truck. The DC's used to outsell the CC's in spades in the 90's until a bunch of soccer moms decided that it was in vogue to drive a pickup. The proportion on the DC's are, and have always been, better. 

1 hour ago, KARNUT said:

I had new trucks every two- three years until I retired. My last new one was a 14 GMC. I traded it in on a suv for my trip vehicle. I still had a cherry modified 92 I had for ten years. My favorite truck years were 2000-2006. I got an offer I couldn’t refuse for my 92. At almost the same time I came across a new looking 02 Avalanche my ultimate favorite truck. The only new technology I missed was blue tooth. That was a easily remedy. I took it on a couple trips completely confident. When I look at that shiny new looking truck, the year model means nothing. More inheritance for the kids...... maybe.

 

'88 - '98 are the best looking ones IMO although this new generation, the GMC SLT's & Denali's are going to be looked at in the same way in 20+ years. I'm with you on the 2000-2006's though, those were some good looking trucks as well. GM fell off for a little while but this generation the GMC's are slick (Chevy totally butchered the front end). 

 

And I'm with you, at the end of the day give me that extra five hundred in my pocket. Most of the creature comforts can be added after the fact. Hell you could put push button start, remote start, heated seats, navigation, etc. in something from the 80's if you wanted for a fraction of the cost. But judging by the rest of the folks on here I think you are probably going to be in the minority. 

[ullose272]

 
'88 - '98 are the best looking ones IMO although this new generation, the GMC SLT's & Denali's are going to be looked at in the same way in 20+ years. I'm with you on the 2000-2006's though, those were some good looking trucks as well. GM fell off for a little while but this generation the GMC's are slick (Chevy totally butchered the front end). 
 
And I'm with you, at the end of the day give me that extra five hundred in my pocket. Most of the creature comforts can be added after the fact. Hell you could put push button start, remote start, heated seats, navigation, etc. in something from the 80's if you wanted for a fraction of the cost. But judging by the rest of the folks on here I think you are probably going to be in the minority. 

I think the CC is a better looking truck, and i would never, ever go back to a DC. The room for my kids car seat and for my dogs is more than enough reason

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[Bryant_Olson]

I think the CC is a better looking truck, and i would never, ever go back to a DC. The room for my kids car seat and for my dogs is more than enough reason

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Exactly. And I also think the CC looks loads better.

The DC works better for one or two guys in this thread, that's awesome for them. It doesn't work better for most people.



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[TRKLGND]

34 minutes ago, superhighsierra said:

Again nobody is arguing what they sell more of, but go back and look at every truck for the past 30 years. Double cabs hold their value better and are the more desired vehicles. Trucks less than 5 or so years old are more luxury vehicles, but after they a few years when people actually buy them to use them as a truck...

 

And go back and look on cargurus or autotrader, to no surprise I am right. It might be close on the newer models (with the CCSB even being worth more) solely because they sticker for more. But in the secondary market, especially 5+ years in, you are wrong. 

 

And here you go:

 

CCSB

 

vs. DCSB

 

Same truck. It ain't close brother. You really still think the CCSB is the better looking truck? Lol. Or do people just mindlessly buy CC's for the extra space in the cab? If you want a vehicle to haul 4-5 people around, you probably would be better off with something other than a truck. The DC's used to outsell the CC's in spades in the 90's until a bunch of soccer moms decided that it was in vogue to drive a pickup. The proportion on the DC's are, and have always been, better. 

 

 

People started buying trucks to use as family haulers about 20 years ago.  That's when the CC became more popular than the DC.  That can be seen in the growth in sales numbers of the CC vs the decline in sales for sedans.  The short bed became more popular at that time as well because trucks were being used to move people more than anything.  Bed space was a secondary consideration.  Why do you think only one out of every 300+ 1500's has tow mirrors?  Because people use them to move people, not do work.  Further, why do you insist on insulting people by saying they "mindlessly buy a CC for the extra cab space"?  If that is what's important to them and fits their needs then who are you to judge.  If you want a truck and you are hauling 4-5 people daily and a few landscaping items a couple of times a year then a CC is the best choice.  It isn't your money after all.  
As for resale value, crew cabs built in the last 15 years hold their value better.  Period.  The DC is much less desirable as a people mover, which is what trucks are used for now, therefore they have a lower resale value.

As for looks, that is 1000% subjective.  I prefer the CC standard bed then the DC standard bed and lastly the CC short bed.

[superhighsierra]

19 minutes ago, Bryant_Olson said:

Exactly. And I also think the CC looks loads better.

The DC works better for one or two guys in this thread, that's awesome for them. It doesn't work better for most people.



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You really look at those two picture above and believe that? You sure? Or are you defending what you purchased? 

 

The only way a CC would work better is if you were hauling around 3-5 adults on a regular basis, in which sense I would question why you bought a truck in the first place. That is all. 

 

6 minutes ago, TRKLGND said:

People started buying trucks to use as family haulers about 20 years ago.  That's when the CC became more popular than the DC.  That can be seen in the growth in sales numbers of the CC vs the decline in sales for sedans.  The short bed became more popular at that time as well because trucks were being used to move people more than anything.  Bed space was a secondary consideration.  Why do you think only one out of every 300+ 1500's has tow mirrors?  Because people use them to move people, not do work.  Further, why do you insist on insulting people by saying they "mindlessly buy a CC for the extra cab space"?  If that is what's important to them and fits their needs then who are you to judge.  If you want a truck and you are hauling 4-5 people daily and a few landscaping items a couple of times a year then a CC is the best choice.  It isn't your money after all.  
 As for resale value, crew cabs built in the last 15 years hold their value better.  Period.  The DC is much less desirable as a people mover, which is what trucks are used for now, therefore they have a lower resale value.

As for looks, that is 1000% subjective.  I prefer the CC standard bed then the DC standard bed and lastly the CC short bed.

 

I'm just bringing up the question. And to no surprise the CC owners seem a little defensive...

 

We agree in principle as to why trucks became popular, but my question is, why would you own a truck if those are your needs? Crew cabs do not have a higher resale value, that is categorically false. Even though CC's cost more and the "newer" used CC's might have a better resale value, after 5-7 years it flips. Go look up used pre-2010 4wd LTZ (or something similar) CC's & DC's  on Autotrader or CarGurus. 

 

Again, I could care less what another grown man wants to spend his money on, I'm just posing the question, because I don't think most people who own these vehicles even gave it a second thought. Same with those on here who put $hitty lifts on their trucks. I never claimed to be in the majority but I'm just trying to help people not make the same mistakes others have...

[TRKLGND]

7 minutes ago, superhighsierra said:

 

You really look at those two picture above and believe that? You sure? Or are you defending what you purchased? 

 

The only way a CC would work better is if you were hauling around 3-5 adults on a regular basis, in which sense I would question why you bought a truck in the first place. That is all. 

 

 

I'm just bringing up the question. And to no surprise the CC owners seem a little defensive...

 

We agree in principle as to why trucks became popular, but my question is, why would you own a truck if those are your needs? Crew cabs do not have a higher resale value, that is categorically false. Even though CC's cost more and the "newer" used CC's might have a better resale value, after 5-7 years it flips. Go look up used pre-2010 4wd LTZ (or something similar) CC's & DC's  on Autotrader or CarGurus. 

 

Again, I could care less what another grown man wants to spend his money on, I'm just posing the question, because I don't think most people who own these vehicles even gave it a second thought. Same with those on here who put $hitty lifts on their trucks. I never claimed to be in the majority but I'm just trying to help people not make the same mistakes others have...

It is not your place to question why someone is buying a truck to haul noting but people.  Perhaps they simply WANT a truck.  That is not at all the issue.

 

My two previous trucks were both DCs.  I currently own a CC but I haven't always. 

 

Pre 2010 is 10 years ago, not 5-7.

 

"The same mistake others have made" from your point of view based on what you think they need.  Get over yourself.

 

[spizike9]

19 minutes ago, superhighsierra said:

 

You really look at those two picture above and believe that? You sure? Or are you defending what you purchased? 

 

The only way a CC would work better is if you were hauling around 3-5 adults on a regular basis, in which sense I would question why you bought a truck in the first place. That is all. 

 

 

I'm just bringing up the question. And to no surprise the CC owners seem a little defensive...

 

We agree in principle as to why trucks became popular, but my question is, why would you own a truck if those are your needs? Crew cabs do not have a higher resale value, that is categorically false. Even though CC's cost more and the "newer" used CC's might have a better resale value, after 5-7 years it flips. Go look up used pre-2010 4wd LTZ (or something similar) CC's & DC's  on Autotrader or CarGurus. 

 

Again, I could care less what another grown man wants to spend his money on, I'm just posing the question, because I don't think most people who own these vehicles even gave it a second thought. Same with those on here who put $hitty lifts on their trucks. I never claimed to be in the majority but I'm just trying to help people not make the same mistakes others have...

 

I’m not defensive of my purchase of a CC over a DC. I could have bought a DC if I wanted to and saved more money. And yes I do think CCs look better than DCs. That’s what drives me crazy about you. Is you think your opinion is the only one that matters. I like the looks of CCs better than DCs and sounds like the majority of people here do as well. You like the look of the DC more than the CC. You’re not wrong and we’re not wrong. People have different tastes and that’s ok. 
 

If you run into a crazy person in the morning and not another one for the rest of the day. They’re the crazy person. If you run into crazy people all day long you’re the crazy person.
 

This can be applied in this thread quite well. Time for you to get a grip on reality. 

[TRKLGND]

4 minutes ago, spizike9 said:

 

I’m not defensive of my purchase of a CC over a DC. I could have bought a DC if I wanted to and saved more money. And yes I do think CCs look better than DCs. That’s what drives me crazy about you. Is you think your opinion is the only one that matters. I like the looks of CCs better than DCs and sounds like the majority of people here do as well. You like the look of the DC more than the CC. You’re not wrong and we’re not wrong. People have different tastes and that’s ok. 
 

If you run into a crazy person in the morning and not another one for the rest of the day. They’re the crazy person. If you run into crazy people all day long you’re the crazy person.
 

This can be applied in this thread quite well. Time for you to get a grip on reality. 

What he said!!!!

[flyingfool]

funny how during this lock down everyones getting judgmental of one another more so than before

[Bryant_Olson]

1 hour ago, spizike9 said:

I’m not defensive of my purchase of a CC over a DC. I could have bought a DC if I wanted to and saved more money. And yes I do think CCs look better than DCs. That’s what drives me crazy about you. Is you think your opinion is the only one that matters. I like the looks of CCs better than DCs and sounds like the majority of people here do as well. You like the look of the DC more than the CC. You’re not wrong and we’re not wrong. People have different tastes and that’s ok. 
  

If you run into a crazy person in the morning and not another one for the rest of the day. They’re the crazy person. If you run into crazy people all day long you’re the crazy person.
  

This can be applied in this thread quite well. Time for you to get a grip on reality. 

Thank you Jesus.

 

Double Cab's are fine superhighsierra, if that's what you want. Don't tell me how to use my damn truck. I use it weekly to haul lumber, landscaping ******, etc. I also put friends in it from time to time and take trips where they're more comfortable in that. It behooves us to have the bed for storage on those trips and the ability to tow the boat. I'll buy whatever the hell I want and I'm super happy with it. Just because I don't sleep in the bed of my truck 4 days a week doesn't mean it's not getting used.

[TRKLGND]

6 minutes ago, Bryant_Olson said:

Thank you Jesus.

 

Double Cab's are fine superhighsierra, if that's what you want. Don't tell me how to use my damn truck. I use it weekly to haul lumber, landscaping ******, etc. I also put friends in it from time to time and take trips where they're more comfortable in that. It behooves us to have the bed for storage on those trips and the ability to tow the boat. I'll buy whatever the hell I want and I'm super happy with it. Just because I don't sleep in the bed of my truck 4 days a week doesn't mean it's not getting used.

What he said!